NBA Thread 2019-20

[CreightonWarrior]

Raptors star completely out played the Bucks star.

[forgetful]

Raptors star completely out played the Bucks star.

I agree the refs have been way better for Toronto than Giannis for the Bucks.

[The Sultan]

I agree the refs have been way better for Toronto than Giannis for the Bucks.

Yeah I don't think so. Leonard has been way better than Giannis. Nothing to do with the refs.

[CreightonWarrior]

I agree the refs have been way better for Toronto than Giannis for the Bucks.

I mean, Giannis continues to barrel into a wall of 5 raptors all series. He's not going to get calls doing that.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Another MKE choke job.

[CreightonWarrior]

Haven't felt any sense of urgency from the bucks the last 3 games.

[MU82]

They'll play better at home.

This is looking like one of those classic all-home-cookin' series. That's why you play well all season -- to win a series like this.

Never mind.

[JWags85]

I mean, Giannis continues to barrel into a wall of 5 raptors all series. He's not going to get calls doing that.

Both are true though. Leonard is pushing off A LOT and getting away with all of it, but also drawing a ton of touch fouls. He's been excellent this series but he's still getting a SUPER favorable whistle.

Raps now 16-1 with Tony Brothers on the year.

That no-call on Lowry to give Siakim a free dunk was pathetic

[withoutbias]

I mean, Giannis continues to barrel into a wall of 5 raptors all series. He's not going to get calls doing that.

agreed. giannis runs into a 5 man wall with 1 man lowering their arms into him and 4 others draping his arms. no calls. kawhi and lowry run into 2 guys and they're sent to the line over and over.

an obvious, like literally cannot miss, offensive goaltend not called. an obvious, cant miss back court violation not called. go to the monitor to see if ball hits the rim. correctly determine it doesnt. see gasol entirely wrapping lopez's arm up so he had to try to coral the rebound with one hand and obviously cant...send gasol to the free throw line.

the fix is more in than 2001.

[MUfan12]

You'll never win a title in the modern NBA with a star that can't shoot. And you certainly can't give a Max deal to Middleton to appease said star.

I love Giannis, but his limitations are really being exposed in this series. And Khris has totally disappeared.

[wadesworld]

Both are true though. Leonard is pushing off A LOT and getting away with all of it, but also drawing a ton of touch fouls. He's been excellent this series but he's still getting a SUPER favorable whistle.

Raps now 16-1 with Tony Brothers on the year.

That no-call on Lowry to give Siakim a free dunk was pathetic

7-0 in their last 7 with Marc Davis.

They got both guys tonight.

[The Sultan]

You'll never win a title in the modern NBA with a star that can't shoot. And you certainly can't give a Max deal to Middleton to appease said star.

I love Giannis, but his limitations are really being exposed in this series. And Khris has totally disappeared.

Yeah Giannis is reminding me of early stage LBJ. Needs to make the three a bigger part of his game. Not much, but enough to make the defense think.

[🏀]

Maybe the Bucks could draw up a different game plan for game 6?

[MUBurrow]

NBA refs are going to call games based on flow (which is in turn dictated by style of play) as much as anything.  The game is just too fast and the players are too good to not anticipate calls at least somewhat.  Clearly the refs last night, for whatever reason, have been partial to the Raptors in recent history. The Raps have also been very good all season and won enough games to get the number 2 seed in the conference - so you would expect them to have a +.500 record for just about any officiating crew.  Those numbers are still lopsided, but not as dramatic as they might look at first glance.

Ultimately, the Bucks lack of halfcourt offense didn't do anything to overcome what might have been a marginal reffing obstacle heading in. The replays of set after set of Giannis putting his head down and driving through all 5 defenders were pretty damning. The Bucks ball movement was worse than the Raptors and so to the extent the refs were partial to something about the Raptors' style coming in, the Bucks didn't do anything to disabuse them of that slant - so its tough to for me to be too upset about it.

[MUfan12]

There are calls/no-calls here and there that bother me, but the Bucks inability to make open threes is 10x more responsible for their collapse than the officiating.

[wadesworld]

NBA refs are going to call games based on flow (which is in turn dictated by style of play) as much as anything.  The game is just too fast and the players are too good to not anticipate calls at least somewhat.  Clearly the refs last night, for whatever reason, have been partial to the Raptors in recent history. The Raps have also been very good all season and won enough games to get the number 2 seed in the conference - so you would expect them to have a +.500 record for just about any officiating crew.  Those numbers are still lopsided, but not as dramatic as they might look at first glance.

Ultimately, the Bucks lack of halfcourt offense didn't do anything to overcome what might have been a marginal reffing obstacle heading in. The replays of set after set of Giannis putting his head down and driving through all 5 defenders were pretty damning. The Bucks ball movement was worse than the Raptors and so to the extent the refs were partial to something about the Raptors' style coming in, the Bucks didn't do anything to disabuse them of that slant - so its tough to for me to be too upset about it.

I mean, a combined 23-1 between 2 of the officials is pretty dramatic. That's a pace of a 77 win season.

[The Sultan]

I mean, a combined 23-1 between 2 of the officials is pretty dramatic. That's a pace of a 77 win season.

You have to see who those games were against to see if it is really a meaningful stat.

[Jockey]

Hopefully, they can turn it around, but, if not, this is one of the greatest choke jobs In NBA history.

It is not one player. It is across the board.

[The Sultan]

Hopefully, they can turn it around, but, if not, this is one of the greatest choke jobs In NBA history.

It is not one player. It is across the board.

It was inevitable. Bud's been outcoached from the beginning.

[CreightonWarrior]

Yup

[Jockey]

It was inevitable. Bud's been outcoached from the beginning.

Absolutely, Bud choked as well. Toronto adjusted, Milwaukee didn't.

[The Sultan]

Kawhi >>>>>>>>>>> Giannis

This game was won at the end of the third when he was tired and outperformed the entire Bucks team.

[PGsHeroes32]

Kawhi >>>>>>>>>>> Giannis

This game was won at the end of the third when he was tired and outperformed the entire Bucks team.

Giannis looks scared out there.

And he's obviously a stud. But at this point he still can't be a playoff alpha.

He's got absolutely no J. And you have to have a J. Mid range at least. He don't even got that.

[Jockey]

Kawhi >>>>>>>>>>> Giannis

This game was won at the end of the third when he was tired and outperformed the entire Bucks team.

The team with the best player usually wins this type of series. Kawhi was the best by far.

On another note, I hope I don't have to watch Middleton next year.

[GB Warrior]

The team with the best player usually wins this type of series. Kawhi was the best by far.

On another note, I hope I don't have to watch Middleton next year.

+1 Everything Jockey has said. Guess they were right about Bud coaching in postseason