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Nice I like it, we're steadily creeping up.

A few things that give me hope that we can outperform even this #22 ranking:

I think with the system and surrounding players, Chartouny will perform better than his projection, and possibly mean more to the flow & synergy than a 2.5. I'm thinking like a DJames senior year 4.12, but his point of attack D, height/length, and pass-first mentality will mean more.

Morrow is projected at 3.27, I'm thinking he'll be a 4+ as well, even if it's just the added dimension he adds that makes everyone else better

Joey at 3.79 has serious potential to outperform that. Sam posted a 4.4, I could see Joey near 5 or better

Thinking at least one of Theo, Cain, or Elliott will outperform their projection too .

Which bumps us up to the 10-15 range.

Obviously room for downside with some or all of those (and others), so a base case of #22 is reasonable with a 10-15 upside more likely than 35-ish on the downside. We should be in for a great year.


Also, I was expecting to see Montana higher with their stable of talented seniors, but it looks like they only have 7 players listed. Was there some mass exodus there I missed? I had them pegged as one of my Loyola-esque sleeper teams coming into this year.

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I think St John's is also expecting big things from juco All-American LJ Figueroa.

St. John's went from having 4 guys returning that saw action last season to a full 13 scholarships used.  Quite a transformation.
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I think St John's is also expecting big things from juco All-American LJ Figueroa.

St. John's went from having 4 guys returning that saw action last season to a full 13 scholarships used.  Quite a transformation.

They might be hopeful for that in 2018-19, but it’s unlikely.
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Great stuff as always Auburn. I made a few Big East specific updates on the google doc. Jalen-Coleman Lands and Gregory Malinowski are pretty significant transfers coming available for DePaul and Georgetown. Emmitt Holt has also been cleared to play. Assuming he's healthy he should be a huge boost to Providence. Few other small ones as well.
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Precedent is not on the side of Heron.  But still, I'd expect SJU to be third with what they have returning with Ponds, Clark and Simon and two impact transfers who sat last season coming eligible.
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Precedent is not on the side of Heron.  But still, I'd expect SJU to be third with what they have returning with Ponds, Clark and Simon and two impact transfers who sat last season coming eligible.

They have a real good starting 4 in Ponds, Simon, Clark,  and Dixon. The drop off after that is steep though, unless their JUCO Figueroa comes through in a big way. Could see bench production being a concern. Add Heron and they could be a BEast title contender
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They have a real good starting 4 in Ponds, Simon, Clark,  and Dixon. The drop off after that is steep though, unless their JUCO Figueroa comes through in a big way. Could see bench production being a concern. Add Heron and they could be a BEast title contender
Also need help from 6’9” transfer Sedee Keita in the middle. 

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Heron to St John's

I also hear facebook is going to be big  ;D

In other Big East grad transfer news, Creighton landed Connor Cashaw SG out of Rice. His efficiency wasn't great but he scored a lot, assisted reasonably well, and rebounded very well for his size. Would imagine he snags a starting spot for them. Still think they don't have enough to make the tourney, but it helps mitigate the loss of Thomas.
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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2018, 09:01:47 PM »
Updated this piece with a note - Providence moves to 32nd overall and makes it a fourth team pretty close together between 11th (Nova), Marquette and St. John's.

A late note and good catch - back from sitting out Emmitt Holt boosts St. John's by 5.16 because he kicks out their 8th best player from the calculation, who was only a 0.79.

The only cautionary note I throw in is that while I have received some edits from around the country on the google sheet, I have received more from MU fans, so likely some teams are further down just because I am missing a key player.

Rnk   Big East   Value Add v5.0 Pts/Game
11   Villanova   38.51
22   St. John's   33.25
23   Marquette   33.13
27   Providence   32.44
51   Butler   27.36
65   Xavier   24.57
71   Georgetown   23.11
77   Creighton   22.35
90   DePaul   21.15
97   Seton Hall   20.36
   All the rest   
1   Nevada   52.98
2   Duke   46.65
3   Kentucky   46.48
4   Kansas   44.54
5   Tennessee   42.01
6   Oregon   41.52
7   North Carolina   40.31
8   Mississippi St.   40.05
9   Louisiana St.   39.18
10   Auburn   38.66
12   Gonzaga   37.94
13   Syracuse   37.44
14   UCLA   36.17
15   North Carolina St.   35.07
16   Indiana   34.95
17   Virginia   34.62
18   Texas   34.28
19   Kansas St.   34.16
20   Michigan St.   33.63
21   Virginia Tech   33.49
24   Maryland   32.77
25   Florida   32.73
26   Iowa   32.49
28   Arizona St.   32.1
29   Alabama   32.09
30   San Diego St.   31.84
31   Clemson   31.56
32   Western Kentucky   31.45
33   Southern California   31.41
34   Miami FL   31.14
35   Texas Tech   31.06
36   Wisconsin   30.75
37   Texas Christian   30.41
38   Northwestern   30.03
39   Iowa St.   29.83
40   Washington   29.81
41   Northeastern   29.6
42   Nebraska   29.49
43   Notre Dame   29.38
44   Ohio St.   28.95
45   Florida St.   28.92
46   Montana   28.81
47   Michigan   28.48
48   West Virginia   28.29
49   Penn St.   28.22
50   Vanderbilt   27.44
52   Buffalo   27.27
53   Houston   26.98
54   Dayton   26.64
55   Loyola Chicago   26.34
56   Illinois   26.19
57   Connecticut   26.1
58   Boston College   25.76
59   Oklahoma   25.71
60   Minnesota   25.58
61   Wofford   24.98
62   Missouri   24.92
63   Mississippi   24.92
64   Georgia St.   24.6
66   Purdue   24.15
67   South Carolina   23.71
68   Memphis   23.63
69   Harvard   23.53
70   Ball St.   23.43
72   Brigham Young   23.01
73   Southern Methodist   22.86
74   North Carolina Greensboro   22.62
75   Lipscomb   22.4
76   Radford   22.37
78   North Texas   22.33
79   Utah   22.24
80   Arizona   22.14
81   Toledo   22.11
82   Oregon St.   21.99
83   Utah St.   21.77
84   Belmont   21.74
85   Rutgers   21.68
86   UC Irvine   21.47
87   Illinois St.   21.45
88   Rider   21.23
89   Liberty   21.18
91   Texas A&M   21.14
92   Cincinnati   21
93   Arkansas   20.93
94   UC Davis   20.88
95   Temple   20.71
96   San Diego   20.52
98   Oklahoma St.   20.29
99   Rhode Island   20.27
100   Wake Forest   20.23
101   Old Dominion   20.18
102   Marshall   20.13
103   Fresno St.   20.09
104   Stephen F. Austin   20.07
105   St. Bonaventure   19.93
106   New Mexico   19.87
107   Colorado   19.85
108   Indiana St.   19.8
109   Nevada Las Vegas   19.72
110   Jacksonville St.   19.67
111   Baylor   19.6
112   Princeton   19.59
113   Southern Illinois   19.46
114   Georgia   19.42
115   Davidson   19.41
116   Northern Iowa   19.2
117   Eastern Michigan   19.11
118   Georgia Tech   18.71
119   South Alabama   18.71
120   Akron   18.61
121   Furman   18.59
122   Hofstra   18.59
123   Cal St. Fullerton   18.55
124   St. Francis PA   18.45
125   Yale   18.34
126   College of Charleston Southern   18.26
127   Virginia Commonwealth   18.2
128   Vermont   18.15
129   San Francisco   18.07
130   Stanford   18.07
131   Valparaiso   18.07
132   Boise St.   18.03
133   Middle Tennessee   17.91
134   St. Louis   17.85
135   Canisius   17.82
136   Wichita St.   17.78
137   Louisville   17.74
138   St. Joseph's   17.63
139   Idaho St.   17.56
140   South Dakota St.   17.56
141   Central Florida   17.52
142   Northern Colorado   17.51
143   St. Mary's   17.46
144   Murray St.   17.44
145   South Dakota   17.39
146   Southern Mississippi   17.36
147   Massachusetts   17.23
148   Austin Peay   17.21
149   Lehigh   17.11
150   Richmond   17.11
151   Iona   17.1
152   Loyola Marymount   16.8
153   Bradley   16.78
154   George Mason   16.77
155   Tulsa   16.73
156   Columbia   16.65
157   Seattle   16.59
158   North Florida   16.54
159   Delaware   16.49
160   Denver   16.45
161   William & Mary   16.45
162   Duquesne   16.42
163   Eastern Washington   16.42
164   Pacific   16.41
165   Washington St.   16.36
166   Utah Valley   16.33
167   Louisiana Lafayette   16.29
168   Northern Illinois   16.24
169   UAB   16.24
170   Texas San Antonio   16.23
171   Grand Canyon   16.17
172   North Carolina Wilmington   16.16
173   Cornell   16.1
174   James Madison   16.07
175   Northern Kentucky   16.06
176   Pepperdine   16.06
177   Kent St.   16.05
178   Central Michigan   15.98
179   Winthrop   15.9
180   Pennsylvania   15.89
181   IUPU Fort Wayne   15.65
182   New Mexico St.   15.58
183   NJ Inst of Technology   15.48
184   UC Santa Barbara   15.28
185   Wright St.   15.26
186   Georgia Southern   15.11
187   Fairleigh Dickinson   14.93
188   Tulane   14.8
189   Hartford   14.75
190   Texas Southern   14.62
191   Troy   14.52
192   Weber St.   14.48
193   Illinois Chicago   14.23
194   La Salle   14.22
195   Cal St. Bakersfield   14.12
196   Ohio   13.99
197   Colgate   13.88
198   Louisiana Tech   13.82
199   California   13.76
200   Long Beach St.   13.6
201   Monmouth   13.5
202   Tennessee Martin   13.37
203   St. Peter's   13.3
204   Florida Gulf Coast   13.22
205   Boston University   13.05
206   Hampton   12.96
207   Miami OH   12.96
208   Western Michigan   12.78
209   North Dakota St.   12.72
210   George Washington   12.69
211   Florida International   12.47
212   Appalachian St.   12.45
213   Coastal Carolina   12.43
214   Campbell   12.31
215   Charleston Southern   12.13
216   Howard   12.05
217   Hawaii   11.94
218   Long Island Brooklyn   11.93
219   Alabama St.   11.92
220   Colorado St.   11.9
221   Elon   11.89
222   Lamar   11.85
223   North Dakota   11.82
224   Air Force   11.69
225   Pittsburgh   11.68
226   Bowling Green   11.62
227   Southeast Missouri St.   11.52
228   Sam Houston St.   11.48
229   Fairfield   11.2
230   Missouri St.   11.14
231   Maryland Baltimore Co   11.1
232   Army   11.05
233   Montana St.   11.04
234   Fordham   11.02
235   Manhattan   11.02
236   Nebraska Omaha   11.02
237   Wyoming   10.89
238   Wagner   10.88
239   Gardner Webb   10.81
240   Oral Roberts   10.77
241   Charlotte   10.71
242   Quinnipiac   10.7
243   Louisiana Monroe   10.61
244   Santa Clara   10.6
245   Drake   10.59
246   Jacksonville   10.58
247   Brown   10.54
248   Eastern Kentucky   10.46
249   Samford   10.41
250   Texas St.   10.29
251   Niagara   10.28
252   American   10.19
253   New Orleans   10.19
254   Bucknell   10.11
255   Dartmouth   10.01
256   Binghamton   9.97
257   Western Carolina   9.85
258   Holy Cross   9.68
259   Portland St.   9.54
260   Robert Morris   9.49
261   Loyola MD   9.46
262   The Citadel   9.46
263   Abilene Christian   9.45
264   South Florida   9.41
265   Texas A&M Corpus Christi   9.27
266   Towson   9.19
267   St. Francis NY   9.14
268   Central Connecticut   9.07
269   Wisconsin Green Bay   8.97
270   East Tennessee St.   8.84
271   Siena   8.84
272   Central Arkansas   8.82
273   Bethune Cookman   8.8
274   Navy   8.7
275   Sacramento St.   8.7
276   North Carolina Asheville   8.68
277   UMass Lowell   8.64
278   Arkansas Little Rock   8.6
279   Lafayette   8.5
280   Stony Brook   8.49
281   Southern Utah   8.45
282   Tennessee Tech   8.38
283   Southeastern Louisiana   8.33
284   Northwestern St.   8.28
285   Arkansas Pine Bluff   8.25
286   Marist   8.23
287   Arkansas St.   8.11
288   Maryland Kings Co   8.02
289   East Carolina   8.01
290   Delaware St.   7.88
291   Morehead St.   7.88
292   Tennessee St.   7.78
293   Rice   7.75
294   Portland   7.67
295   Cal St. Northridge   7.57
296   Youngstown St.   7.48
297   Florida A&M   7.47
298   Florida Atlantic   7.47
299   McNeese St.   7.46
300   High Point   7.38
301   UC Riverside   7.38
302   Northern Arizona   7.36
303   Cal Poly   7.23
304   Prairie View A&M   7.18
305   Alcorn St.   7.18
306   Evansville   7.14
307   Idaho   6.85
308   Drexel   6.81
309   Maryland Eastern Shore   6.8
310   Chattanooga   6.78
311   Houston Baptist   6.7
312   Stetson   6.69
313   Eastern Illinois   6.64
314   Cleveland St.   6.53
315   Western Illinois   6.52
316   Bryant   6.39
317   North Carolina Central   6.35
318   Texas Rio Grande Valley   6.35
319   South Carolina St.   6.32
320   Southern   6.31
321   Virginia Military Inst   6.28
322   Norfolk St.   6.16
323   Sacred Heart   6.04
324   Incarnate Word   6.01
325   Albany   6
326   North Carolina A&T   5.96
327   Texas El Paso   5.84
328   Mercer   5.78
329   Oakland   5.71
330   Jackson St.   5.61
331   Savannah St.   5.58
332   New Hampshire   5.56
333   Maine   5.48
334   IUPUI   5.32
335   Mount St. Mary's   5.29
336   Wisconsin Milwaukee   5.24
337   Chicago St.   5.21
338   Mississippi Valley St.   5.1
339   Detroit   5.05
340   Morgan St.   5.01
341   Grambling   4.88
342   USC UpSt.   4.62
343   Alabama A&M   4.59
344   Presbyterian   4.45
345   SIU Edwardsville   4.43
346   Coppin St.   4.37
347   San Jose St.   3.96
348   Texas Arlington   3.86
349   Longwood   3.62
350   Kennesaw St.   3.6
351   Nicholls St.   2.68
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Personally, I wouldn't include Heron in your model at St John's until he is granted a waiver. As has been noted by Jay Bee, there's really nothing in his case to justify a waiver based on the new rules.
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On side note, Lunardi must be on opioids.  I know its early but has MU as a play in #12, yet has Seton Hall as a #9 seed.

Seton Hall lost Delgado, Carrington, Rodriguez and Sanago.  There is no way they are a #9, maybe not even get in.

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Personally, I wouldn't include Heron in your model at St John's until he is granted a waiver. As has been noted by Jay Bee, there's really nothing in his case to justify a waiver based on the new rules.

Completely agree. These are bama's rankings so he can do as he wish, but I'd generally use a principled rule such as "if they are a traditional transfer and don't fit the criteria for a waiver, and there's no precedent for them being granted a waiver, they are not included in the calcs... but might be footnoted."

Before last season began I stated that St. John's might be the most difficult team to forecast (for 2017-18) in years. They proceeded to begin the year 10-2 (9-2 vs. D-I)... then they drop their first 11 BEast game, before going 5-3 the rest of the way with wins over Duke, Nova, MU, and Butler to end the regular season.

Owens, Yakwe, Ahmed and Amar A. are gone, yes? Last year the GOOD for them was actually their defense.. I think people think of the guards... and drool.. but it was the D that was so great (nh). Their defensive 2FG% was key, and there are gonna be a lot of new minutes down low this year. You still have Simon who can be great defensively, but overall I think a lot of people are propping them up more than perhaps they should.

That said, I see a big a$$ range of reasonably possible outcomes for St. John's. Not as crazy as last year, but they - for me - are again a difficult team to project.
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SJU is very erratic as it often has trouble scoring.  Hard to win when you can't outscore the other guy.   ;)

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Re: Nova 11th, SJU 22nd, MU 23rd, Prov 27
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2018, 09:28:21 PM »
Updated this piece with a note - Providence moves to 32nd overall and makes it a fourth team pretty close together between 11th (Nova), Marquette and St. John's.

A late note and good catch - back from sitting out Emmitt Holt boosts St. John's by 5.16 because he kicks out their 8th best player from the calculation, who was only a 0.79.

The only cautionary note I throw in is that while I have received some edits from around the country on the google sheet, I have received more from MU fans, so likely some teams are further down just because I am missing a key player.

Rnk   Big East   Value Add v5.0 Pts/Game
11   Villanova   38.51
22   St. John's   33.25
23   Marquette   33.13
27   Providence   32.44
51   Butler   27.36
65   Xavier   24.57
71   Georgetown   23.11
77   Creighton   22.35
90   DePaul   21.15
97   Seton Hall   20.36
   All the rest   
1   Nevada   52.98
2   Duke   46.65
3   Kentucky   46.48
4   Kansas   44.54
5   Tennessee   42.01
6   Oregon   41.52
7   North Carolina   40.31
8   Mississippi St.   40.05
9   Louisiana St.   39.18
10   Auburn   38.66
12   Gonzaga   37.94
13   Syracuse   37.44
14   UCLA   36.17
15   North Carolina St.   35.07
16   Indiana   34.95
17   Virginia   34.62
18   Texas   34.28
19   Kansas St.   34.16
20   Michigan St.   33.63
21   Virginia Tech   33.49
24   Maryland   32.77
25   Florida   32.73
26   Iowa   32.49
28   Arizona St.   32.1
29   Alabama   32.09
30   San Diego St.   31.84
31   Clemson   31.56
32   Western Kentucky   31.45
33   Southern California   31.41
34   Miami FL   31.14
35   Texas Tech   31.06
36   Wisconsin   30.75
37   Texas Christian   30.41
38   Northwestern   30.03
39   Iowa St.   29.83
40   Washington   29.81
41   Northeastern   29.6
42   Nebraska   29.49
43   Notre Dame   29.38
44   Ohio St.   28.95
45   Florida St.   28.92
46   Montana   28.81
47   Michigan   28.48
48   West Virginia   28.29
49   Penn St.   28.22
50   Vanderbilt   27.44
52   Buffalo   27.27
53   Houston   26.98
54   Dayton   26.64
55   Loyola Chicago   26.34
56   Illinois   26.19
57   Connecticut   26.1
58   Boston College   25.76
59   Oklahoma   25.71
60   Minnesota   25.58
61   Wofford   24.98
62   Missouri   24.92
63   Mississippi   24.92
64   Georgia St.   24.6
66   Purdue   24.15
67   South Carolina   23.71
68   Memphis   23.63
69   Harvard   23.53
70   Ball St.   23.43
72   Brigham Young   23.01
73   Southern Methodist   22.86
74   North Carolina Greensboro   22.62
75   Lipscomb   22.4
76   Radford   22.37
78   North Texas   22.33
79   Utah   22.24
80   Arizona   22.14
81   Toledo   22.11
82   Oregon St.   21.99
83   Utah St.   21.77
84   Belmont   21.74
85   Rutgers   21.68
86   UC Irvine   21.47
87   Illinois St.   21.45
88   Rider   21.23
89   Liberty   21.18
91   Texas A&M   21.14
92   Cincinnati   21
93   Arkansas   20.93
94   UC Davis   20.88
95   Temple   20.71
96   San Diego   20.52
98   Oklahoma St.   20.29
99   Rhode Island   20.27
100   Wake Forest   20.23
101   Old Dominion   20.18
102   Marshall   20.13
103   Fresno St.   20.09
104   Stephen F. Austin   20.07
105   St. Bonaventure   19.93
106   New Mexico   19.87
107   Colorado   19.85
108   Indiana St.   19.8
109   Nevada Las Vegas   19.72
110   Jacksonville St.   19.67
111   Baylor   19.6
112   Princeton   19.59
113   Southern Illinois   19.46
114   Georgia   19.42
115   Davidson   19.41
116   Northern Iowa   19.2
117   Eastern Michigan   19.11
118   Georgia Tech   18.71
119   South Alabama   18.71
120   Akron   18.61
121   Furman   18.59
122   Hofstra   18.59
123   Cal St. Fullerton   18.55
124   St. Francis PA   18.45
125   Yale   18.34
126   College of Charleston Southern   18.26
127   Virginia Commonwealth   18.2
128   Vermont   18.15
129   San Francisco   18.07
130   Stanford   18.07
131   Valparaiso   18.07
132   Boise St.   18.03
133   Middle Tennessee   17.91
134   St. Louis   17.85
135   Canisius   17.82
136   Wichita St.   17.78
137   Louisville   17.74
138   St. Joseph's   17.63
139   Idaho St.   17.56
140   South Dakota St.   17.56
141   Central Florida   17.52
142   Northern Colorado   17.51
143   St. Mary's   17.46
144   Murray St.   17.44
145   South Dakota   17.39
146   Southern Mississippi   17.36
147   Massachusetts   17.23
148   Austin Peay   17.21
149   Lehigh   17.11
150   Richmond   17.11
151   Iona   17.1
152   Loyola Marymount   16.8
153   Bradley   16.78
154   George Mason   16.77
155   Tulsa   16.73
156   Columbia   16.65
157   Seattle   16.59
158   North Florida   16.54
159   Delaware   16.49
160   Denver   16.45
161   William & Mary   16.45
162   Duquesne   16.42
163   Eastern Washington   16.42
164   Pacific   16.41
165   Washington St.   16.36
166   Utah Valley   16.33
167   Louisiana Lafayette   16.29
168   Northern Illinois   16.24
169   UAB   16.24
170   Texas San Antonio   16.23
171   Grand Canyon   16.17
172   North Carolina Wilmington   16.16
173   Cornell   16.1
174   James Madison   16.07
175   Northern Kentucky   16.06
176   Pepperdine   16.06
177   Kent St.   16.05
178   Central Michigan   15.98
179   Winthrop   15.9
180   Pennsylvania   15.89
181   IUPU Fort Wayne   15.65
182   New Mexico St.   15.58
183   NJ Inst of Technology   15.48
184   UC Santa Barbara   15.28
185   Wright St.   15.26
186   Georgia Southern   15.11
187   Fairleigh Dickinson   14.93
188   Tulane   14.8
189   Hartford   14.75
190   Texas Southern   14.62
191   Troy   14.52
192   Weber St.   14.48
193   Illinois Chicago   14.23
194   La Salle   14.22
195   Cal St. Bakersfield   14.12
196   Ohio   13.99
197   Colgate   13.88
198   Louisiana Tech   13.82
199   California   13.76
200   Long Beach St.   13.6
201   Monmouth   13.5
202   Tennessee Martin   13.37
203   St. Peter's   13.3
204   Florida Gulf Coast   13.22
205   Boston University   13.05
206   Hampton   12.96
207   Miami OH   12.96
208   Western Michigan   12.78
209   North Dakota St.   12.72
210   George Washington   12.69
211   Florida International   12.47
212   Appalachian St.   12.45
213   Coastal Carolina   12.43
214   Campbell   12.31
215   Charleston Southern   12.13
216   Howard   12.05
217   Hawaii   11.94
218   Long Island Brooklyn   11.93
219   Alabama St.   11.92
220   Colorado St.   11.9
221   Elon   11.89
222   Lamar   11.85
223   North Dakota   11.82
224   Air Force   11.69
225   Pittsburgh   11.68
226   Bowling Green   11.62
227   Southeast Missouri St.   11.52
228   Sam Houston St.   11.48
229   Fairfield   11.2
230   Missouri St.   11.14
231   Maryland Baltimore Co   11.1
232   Army   11.05
233   Montana St.   11.04
234   Fordham   11.02
235   Manhattan   11.02
236   Nebraska Omaha   11.02
237   Wyoming   10.89
238   Wagner   10.88
239   Gardner Webb   10.81
240   Oral Roberts   10.77
241   Charlotte   10.71
242   Quinnipiac   10.7
243   Louisiana Monroe   10.61
244   Santa Clara   10.6
245   Drake   10.59
246   Jacksonville   10.58
247   Brown   10.54
248   Eastern Kentucky   10.46
249   Samford   10.41
250   Texas St.   10.29
251   Niagara   10.28
252   American   10.19
253   New Orleans   10.19
254   Bucknell   10.11
255   Dartmouth   10.01
256   Binghamton   9.97
257   Western Carolina   9.85
258   Holy Cross   9.68
259   Portland St.   9.54
260   Robert Morris   9.49
261   Loyola MD   9.46
262   The Citadel   9.46
263   Abilene Christian   9.45
264   South Florida   9.41
265   Texas A&M Corpus Christi   9.27
266   Towson   9.19
267   St. Francis NY   9.14
268   Central Connecticut   9.07
269   Wisconsin Green Bay   8.97
270   East Tennessee St.   8.84
271   Siena   8.84
272   Central Arkansas   8.82
273   Bethune Cookman   8.8
274   Navy   8.7
275   Sacramento St.   8.7
276   North Carolina Asheville   8.68
277   UMass Lowell   8.64
278   Arkansas Little Rock   8.6
279   Lafayette   8.5
280   Stony Brook   8.49
281   Southern Utah   8.45
282   Tennessee Tech   8.38
283   Southeastern Louisiana   8.33
284   Northwestern St.   8.28
285   Arkansas Pine Bluff   8.25
286   Marist   8.23
287   Arkansas St.   8.11
288   Maryland Kings Co   8.02
289   East Carolina   8.01
290   Delaware St.   7.88
291   Morehead St.   7.88
292   Tennessee St.   7.78
293   Rice   7.75
294   Portland   7.67
295   Cal St. Northridge   7.57
296   Youngstown St.   7.48
297   Florida A&M   7.47
298   Florida Atlantic   7.47
299   McNeese St.   7.46
300   High Point   7.38
301   UC Riverside   7.38
302   Northern Arizona   7.36
303   Cal Poly   7.23
304   Prairie View A&M   7.18
305   Alcorn St.   7.18
306   Evansville   7.14
307   Idaho   6.85
308   Drexel   6.81
309   Maryland Eastern Shore   6.8
310   Chattanooga   6.78
311   Houston Baptist   6.7
312   Stetson   6.69
313   Eastern Illinois   6.64
314   Cleveland St.   6.53
315   Western Illinois   6.52
316   Bryant   6.39
317   North Carolina Central   6.35
318   Texas Rio Grande Valley   6.35
319   South Carolina St.   6.32
320   Southern   6.31
321   Virginia Military Inst   6.28
322   Norfolk St.   6.16
323   Sacred Heart   6.04
324   Incarnate Word   6.01
325   Albany   6
326   North Carolina A&T   5.96
327   Texas El Paso   5.84
328   Mercer   5.78
329   Oakland   5.71
330   Jackson St.   5.61
331   Savannah St.   5.58
332   New Hampshire   5.56
333   Maine   5.48
334   IUPUI   5.32
335   Mount St. Mary's   5.29
336   Wisconsin Milwaukee   5.24
337   Chicago St.   5.21
338   Mississippi Valley St.   5.1
339   Detroit   5.05
340   Morgan St.   5.01
341   Grambling   4.88
342   USC UpSt.   4.62
343   Alabama A&M   4.59
344   Presbyterian   4.45
345   SIU Edwardsville   4.43
346   Coppin St.   4.37
347   San Jose St.   3.96
348   Texas Arlington   3.86
349   Longwood   3.62
350   Kennesaw St.   3.6
351   Nicholls St.   2.68
This model is tainted as it has Quincy McKnight as the 1769 best player in the country. That just doesn’t pass any test of reasonableness for an All Conference player.
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Re: Nova 11th, SJU 22nd, MU 23rd, Prov 27
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2018, 09:50:57 PM »
This model is tainted as it has Quincy McKnight as the 1769 best player in the country. That just doesn’t pass any test of reasonableness for an All Conference player.

Lol. He shot like crap and turned it over a ton. Miserable numbers for a bad NEC team.
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Is Quincy the new Kostas?

For the record, I do agree that McKnight is ranked too low by value add....but I'm probably closer to Auburn than I am to HC
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Is Quincy the new Kostas?

For the record, I do agree that McKnight is ranked too low by value add....but I'm probably closer to Auburn than I am to HC

No, Zaire is the new Kostas. But there's no indication McKnight could play successfully at a lower level, seems unlikely he'll succeed at this level. I expect him to simply be bad. Value Add has him way too high, in my opinion.
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Weird that people are talking about SJU prospects and not mentioning they have the worst coach in the league. St. Jean is awful.

Well, considering we split with St. John's the last two seasons, and Mullin is 1-year behind Wojo in time on the job - not sure we should be calling Mullin awful.

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Well, considering we split with St. John's the last two seasons, and Mullin is 1-year behind Wojo in time on the job - not sure we should be calling Mullin awful.

Mullin:  38-60 overall, 12-42 in conference.

Wojo:  73-59 overall, 31-41 in conference.

So despite having one less year, Mullin has still lost one more game than Wojo has.