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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: auburnmarquette on June 04, 2018, 08:38:58 PM
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http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2018/06/st-johns-moves-into-virtual-tie-with-mu.html
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Nice I like it, we're steadily creeping up.
A few things that give me hope that we can outperform even this #22 ranking:
I think with the system and surrounding players, Chartouny will perform better than his projection, and possibly mean more to the flow & synergy than a 2.5. I'm thinking like a DJames senior year 4.12, but his point of attack D, height/length, and pass-first mentality will mean more.
Morrow is projected at 3.27, I'm thinking he'll be a 4+ as well, even if it's just the added dimension he adds that makes everyone else better
Joey at 3.79 has serious potential to outperform that. Sam posted a 4.4, I could see Joey near 5 or better
Thinking at least one of Theo, Cain, or Elliott will outperform their projection too .
Which bumps us up to the 10-15 range.
Obviously room for downside with some or all of those (and others), so a base case of #22 is reasonable with a 10-15 upside more likely than 35-ish on the downside. We should be in for a great year.
Also, I was expecting to see Montana higher with their stable of talented seniors, but it looks like they only have 7 players listed. Was there some mass exodus there I missed? I had them pegged as one of my Loyola-esque sleeper teams coming into this year.
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Is the Wino on campus yet?
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http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2018/06/st-johns-moves-into-virtual-tie-with-mu.html
This makes sense.
I still think the model significantly undervalues Quincy McKnight at Seton Hall.
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I think St John's is also expecting big things from juco All-American LJ Figueroa.
St. John's went from having 4 guys returning that saw action last season to a full 13 scholarships used. Quite a transformation.
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I think St John's is also expecting big things from juco All-American LJ Figueroa.
St. John's went from having 4 guys returning that saw action last season to a full 13 scholarships used. Quite a transformation.
They might be hopeful for that in 2018-19, but it’s unlikely.
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Is the Wino on campus yet?
I've not seen a welcome tweet so I guess not
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Great stuff as always Auburn. I made a few Big East specific updates on the google doc. Jalen-Coleman Lands and Gregory Malinowski are pretty significant transfers coming available for DePaul and Georgetown. Emmitt Holt has also been cleared to play. Assuming he's healthy he should be a huge boost to Providence. Few other small ones as well.
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http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2018/06/st-johns-moves-into-virtual-tie-with-mu.html
Precedent is not on the side of Heron. But still, I'd expect SJU to be third with what they have returning with Ponds, Clark and Simon and two impact transfers who sat last season coming eligible.
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Precedent is not on the side of Heron. But still, I'd expect SJU to be third with what they have returning with Ponds, Clark and Simon and two impact transfers who sat last season coming eligible.
They have a real good starting 4 in Ponds, Simon, Clark, and Dixon. The drop off after that is steep though, unless their JUCO Figueroa comes through in a big way. Could see bench production being a concern. Add Heron and they could be a BEast title contender
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They have a real good starting 4 in Ponds, Simon, Clark, and Dixon. The drop off after that is steep though, unless their JUCO Figueroa comes through in a big way. Could see bench production being a concern. Add Heron and they could be a BEast title contender
Also need help from 6’9” transfer Sedee Keita in the middle.
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Heron to St John's
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Heron to St John's
I also hear facebook is going to be big ;D
In other Big East grad transfer news, Creighton landed Connor Cashaw SG out of Rice. His efficiency wasn't great but he scored a lot, assisted reasonably well, and rebounded very well for his size. Would imagine he snags a starting spot for them. Still think they don't have enough to make the tourney, but it helps mitigate the loss of Thomas.
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Updated this piece with a note - Providence moves to 32nd overall and makes it a fourth team pretty close together between 11th (Nova), Marquette and St. John's.
A late note and good catch - back from sitting out Emmitt Holt boosts St. John's by 5.16 because he kicks out their 8th best player from the calculation, who was only a 0.79.
The only cautionary note I throw in is that while I have received some edits from around the country on the google sheet, I have received more from MU fans, so likely some teams are further down just because I am missing a key player.
Rnk Big East Value Add v5.0 Pts/Game
11 Villanova 38.51
22 St. John's 33.25
23 Marquette 33.13
27 Providence 32.44
51 Butler 27.36
65 Xavier 24.57
71 Georgetown 23.11
77 Creighton 22.35
90 DePaul 21.15
97 Seton Hall 20.36
All the rest
1 Nevada 52.98
2 Duke 46.65
3 Kentucky 46.48
4 Kansas 44.54
5 Tennessee 42.01
6 Oregon 41.52
7 North Carolina 40.31
8 Mississippi St. 40.05
9 Louisiana St. 39.18
10 Auburn 38.66
12 Gonzaga 37.94
13 Syracuse 37.44
14 UCLA 36.17
15 North Carolina St. 35.07
16 Indiana 34.95
17 Virginia 34.62
18 Texas 34.28
19 Kansas St. 34.16
20 Michigan St. 33.63
21 Virginia Tech 33.49
24 Maryland 32.77
25 Florida 32.73
26 Iowa 32.49
28 Arizona St. 32.1
29 Alabama 32.09
30 San Diego St. 31.84
31 Clemson 31.56
32 Western Kentucky 31.45
33 Southern California 31.41
34 Miami FL 31.14
35 Texas Tech 31.06
36 Wisconsin 30.75
37 Texas Christian 30.41
38 Northwestern 30.03
39 Iowa St. 29.83
40 Washington 29.81
41 Northeastern 29.6
42 Nebraska 29.49
43 Notre Dame 29.38
44 Ohio St. 28.95
45 Florida St. 28.92
46 Montana 28.81
47 Michigan 28.48
48 West Virginia 28.29
49 Penn St. 28.22
50 Vanderbilt 27.44
52 Buffalo 27.27
53 Houston 26.98
54 Dayton 26.64
55 Loyola Chicago 26.34
56 Illinois 26.19
57 Connecticut 26.1
58 Boston College 25.76
59 Oklahoma 25.71
60 Minnesota 25.58
61 Wofford 24.98
62 Missouri 24.92
63 Mississippi 24.92
64 Georgia St. 24.6
66 Purdue 24.15
67 South Carolina 23.71
68 Memphis 23.63
69 Harvard 23.53
70 Ball St. 23.43
72 Brigham Young 23.01
73 Southern Methodist 22.86
74 North Carolina Greensboro 22.62
75 Lipscomb 22.4
76 Radford 22.37
78 North Texas 22.33
79 Utah 22.24
80 Arizona 22.14
81 Toledo 22.11
82 Oregon St. 21.99
83 Utah St. 21.77
84 Belmont 21.74
85 Rutgers 21.68
86 UC Irvine 21.47
87 Illinois St. 21.45
88 Rider 21.23
89 Liberty 21.18
91 Texas A&M 21.14
92 Cincinnati 21
93 Arkansas 20.93
94 UC Davis 20.88
95 Temple 20.71
96 San Diego 20.52
98 Oklahoma St. 20.29
99 Rhode Island 20.27
100 Wake Forest 20.23
101 Old Dominion 20.18
102 Marshall 20.13
103 Fresno St. 20.09
104 Stephen F. Austin 20.07
105 St. Bonaventure 19.93
106 New Mexico 19.87
107 Colorado 19.85
108 Indiana St. 19.8
109 Nevada Las Vegas 19.72
110 Jacksonville St. 19.67
111 Baylor 19.6
112 Princeton 19.59
113 Southern Illinois 19.46
114 Georgia 19.42
115 Davidson 19.41
116 Northern Iowa 19.2
117 Eastern Michigan 19.11
118 Georgia Tech 18.71
119 South Alabama 18.71
120 Akron 18.61
121 Furman 18.59
122 Hofstra 18.59
123 Cal St. Fullerton 18.55
124 St. Francis PA 18.45
125 Yale 18.34
126 College of Charleston Southern 18.26
127 Virginia Commonwealth 18.2
128 Vermont 18.15
129 San Francisco 18.07
130 Stanford 18.07
131 Valparaiso 18.07
132 Boise St. 18.03
133 Middle Tennessee 17.91
134 St. Louis 17.85
135 Canisius 17.82
136 Wichita St. 17.78
137 Louisville 17.74
138 St. Joseph's 17.63
139 Idaho St. 17.56
140 South Dakota St. 17.56
141 Central Florida 17.52
142 Northern Colorado 17.51
143 St. Mary's 17.46
144 Murray St. 17.44
145 South Dakota 17.39
146 Southern Mississippi 17.36
147 Massachusetts 17.23
148 Austin Peay 17.21
149 Lehigh 17.11
150 Richmond 17.11
151 Iona 17.1
152 Loyola Marymount 16.8
153 Bradley 16.78
154 George Mason 16.77
155 Tulsa 16.73
156 Columbia 16.65
157 Seattle 16.59
158 North Florida 16.54
159 Delaware 16.49
160 Denver 16.45
161 William & Mary 16.45
162 Duquesne 16.42
163 Eastern Washington 16.42
164 Pacific 16.41
165 Washington St. 16.36
166 Utah Valley 16.33
167 Louisiana Lafayette 16.29
168 Northern Illinois 16.24
169 UAB 16.24
170 Texas San Antonio 16.23
171 Grand Canyon 16.17
172 North Carolina Wilmington 16.16
173 Cornell 16.1
174 James Madison 16.07
175 Northern Kentucky 16.06
176 Pepperdine 16.06
177 Kent St. 16.05
178 Central Michigan 15.98
179 Winthrop 15.9
180 Pennsylvania 15.89
181 IUPU Fort Wayne 15.65
182 New Mexico St. 15.58
183 NJ Inst of Technology 15.48
184 UC Santa Barbara 15.28
185 Wright St. 15.26
186 Georgia Southern 15.11
187 Fairleigh Dickinson 14.93
188 Tulane 14.8
189 Hartford 14.75
190 Texas Southern 14.62
191 Troy 14.52
192 Weber St. 14.48
193 Illinois Chicago 14.23
194 La Salle 14.22
195 Cal St. Bakersfield 14.12
196 Ohio 13.99
197 Colgate 13.88
198 Louisiana Tech 13.82
199 California 13.76
200 Long Beach St. 13.6
201 Monmouth 13.5
202 Tennessee Martin 13.37
203 St. Peter's 13.3
204 Florida Gulf Coast 13.22
205 Boston University 13.05
206 Hampton 12.96
207 Miami OH 12.96
208 Western Michigan 12.78
209 North Dakota St. 12.72
210 George Washington 12.69
211 Florida International 12.47
212 Appalachian St. 12.45
213 Coastal Carolina 12.43
214 Campbell 12.31
215 Charleston Southern 12.13
216 Howard 12.05
217 Hawaii 11.94
218 Long Island Brooklyn 11.93
219 Alabama St. 11.92
220 Colorado St. 11.9
221 Elon 11.89
222 Lamar 11.85
223 North Dakota 11.82
224 Air Force 11.69
225 Pittsburgh 11.68
226 Bowling Green 11.62
227 Southeast Missouri St. 11.52
228 Sam Houston St. 11.48
229 Fairfield 11.2
230 Missouri St. 11.14
231 Maryland Baltimore Co 11.1
232 Army 11.05
233 Montana St. 11.04
234 Fordham 11.02
235 Manhattan 11.02
236 Nebraska Omaha 11.02
237 Wyoming 10.89
238 Wagner 10.88
239 Gardner Webb 10.81
240 Oral Roberts 10.77
241 Charlotte 10.71
242 Quinnipiac 10.7
243 Louisiana Monroe 10.61
244 Santa Clara 10.6
245 Drake 10.59
246 Jacksonville 10.58
247 Brown 10.54
248 Eastern Kentucky 10.46
249 Samford 10.41
250 Texas St. 10.29
251 Niagara 10.28
252 American 10.19
253 New Orleans 10.19
254 Bucknell 10.11
255 Dartmouth 10.01
256 Binghamton 9.97
257 Western Carolina 9.85
258 Holy Cross 9.68
259 Portland St. 9.54
260 Robert Morris 9.49
261 Loyola MD 9.46
262 The Citadel 9.46
263 Abilene Christian 9.45
264 South Florida 9.41
265 Texas A&M Corpus Christi 9.27
266 Towson 9.19
267 St. Francis NY 9.14
268 Central Connecticut 9.07
269 Wisconsin Green Bay 8.97
270 East Tennessee St. 8.84
271 Siena 8.84
272 Central Arkansas 8.82
273 Bethune Cookman 8.8
274 Navy 8.7
275 Sacramento St. 8.7
276 North Carolina Asheville 8.68
277 UMass Lowell 8.64
278 Arkansas Little Rock 8.6
279 Lafayette 8.5
280 Stony Brook 8.49
281 Southern Utah 8.45
282 Tennessee Tech 8.38
283 Southeastern Louisiana 8.33
284 Northwestern St. 8.28
285 Arkansas Pine Bluff 8.25
286 Marist 8.23
287 Arkansas St. 8.11
288 Maryland Kings Co 8.02
289 East Carolina 8.01
290 Delaware St. 7.88
291 Morehead St. 7.88
292 Tennessee St. 7.78
293 Rice 7.75
294 Portland 7.67
295 Cal St. Northridge 7.57
296 Youngstown St. 7.48
297 Florida A&M 7.47
298 Florida Atlantic 7.47
299 McNeese St. 7.46
300 High Point 7.38
301 UC Riverside 7.38
302 Northern Arizona 7.36
303 Cal Poly 7.23
304 Prairie View A&M 7.18
305 Alcorn St. 7.18
306 Evansville 7.14
307 Idaho 6.85
308 Drexel 6.81
309 Maryland Eastern Shore 6.8
310 Chattanooga 6.78
311 Houston Baptist 6.7
312 Stetson 6.69
313 Eastern Illinois 6.64
314 Cleveland St. 6.53
315 Western Illinois 6.52
316 Bryant 6.39
317 North Carolina Central 6.35
318 Texas Rio Grande Valley 6.35
319 South Carolina St. 6.32
320 Southern 6.31
321 Virginia Military Inst 6.28
322 Norfolk St. 6.16
323 Sacred Heart 6.04
324 Incarnate Word 6.01
325 Albany 6
326 North Carolina A&T 5.96
327 Texas El Paso 5.84
328 Mercer 5.78
329 Oakland 5.71
330 Jackson St. 5.61
331 Savannah St. 5.58
332 New Hampshire 5.56
333 Maine 5.48
334 IUPUI 5.32
335 Mount St. Mary's 5.29
336 Wisconsin Milwaukee 5.24
337 Chicago St. 5.21
338 Mississippi Valley St. 5.1
339 Detroit 5.05
340 Morgan St. 5.01
341 Grambling 4.88
342 USC UpSt. 4.62
343 Alabama A&M 4.59
344 Presbyterian 4.45
345 SIU Edwardsville 4.43
346 Coppin St. 4.37
347 San Jose St. 3.96
348 Texas Arlington 3.86
349 Longwood 3.62
350 Kennesaw St. 3.6
351 Nicholls St. 2.68
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Personally, I wouldn't include Heron in your model at St John's until he is granted a waiver. As has been noted by Jay Bee, there's really nothing in his case to justify a waiver based on the new rules.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
On side note, Lunardi must be on opioids. I know its early but has MU as a play in #12, yet has Seton Hall as a #9 seed.
Seton Hall lost Delgado, Carrington, Rodriguez and Sanago. There is no way they are a #9, maybe not even get in.
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Personally, I wouldn't include Heron in your model at St John's until he is granted a waiver. As has been noted by Jay Bee, there's really nothing in his case to justify a waiver based on the new rules.
Completely agree. These are bama's rankings so he can do as he wish, but I'd generally use a principled rule such as "if they are a traditional transfer and don't fit the criteria for a waiver, and there's no precedent for them being granted a waiver, they are not included in the calcs... but might be footnoted."
Before last season began I stated that St. John's might be the most difficult team to forecast (for 2017-18) in years. They proceeded to begin the year 10-2 (9-2 vs. D-I)... then they drop their first 11 BEast game, before going 5-3 the rest of the way with wins over Duke, Nova, MU, and Butler to end the regular season.
Owens, Yakwe, Ahmed and Amar A. are gone, yes? Last year the GOOD for them was actually their defense.. I think people think of the guards... and drool.. but it was the D that was so great (nh). Their defensive 2FG% was key, and there are gonna be a lot of new minutes down low this year. You still have Simon who can be great defensively, but overall I think a lot of people are propping them up more than perhaps they should.
That said, I see a big a$$ range of reasonably possible outcomes for St. John's. Not as crazy as last year, but they - for me - are again a difficult team to project.
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SJU is very erratic as it often has trouble scoring. Hard to win when you can't outscore the other guy. ;)
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Weird that people are talking about SJU prospects and not mentioning they have the worst coach in the league. St. Jean is awful.
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Updated this piece with a note - Providence moves to 32nd overall and makes it a fourth team pretty close together between 11th (Nova), Marquette and St. John's.
A late note and good catch - back from sitting out Emmitt Holt boosts St. John's by 5.16 because he kicks out their 8th best player from the calculation, who was only a 0.79.
The only cautionary note I throw in is that while I have received some edits from around the country on the google sheet, I have received more from MU fans, so likely some teams are further down just because I am missing a key player.
Rnk Big East Value Add v5.0 Pts/Game
11 Villanova 38.51
22 St. John's 33.25
23 Marquette 33.13
27 Providence 32.44
51 Butler 27.36
65 Xavier 24.57
71 Georgetown 23.11
77 Creighton 22.35
90 DePaul 21.15
97 Seton Hall 20.36
All the rest
1 Nevada 52.98
2 Duke 46.65
3 Kentucky 46.48
4 Kansas 44.54
5 Tennessee 42.01
6 Oregon 41.52
7 North Carolina 40.31
8 Mississippi St. 40.05
9 Louisiana St. 39.18
10 Auburn 38.66
12 Gonzaga 37.94
13 Syracuse 37.44
14 UCLA 36.17
15 North Carolina St. 35.07
16 Indiana 34.95
17 Virginia 34.62
18 Texas 34.28
19 Kansas St. 34.16
20 Michigan St. 33.63
21 Virginia Tech 33.49
24 Maryland 32.77
25 Florida 32.73
26 Iowa 32.49
28 Arizona St. 32.1
29 Alabama 32.09
30 San Diego St. 31.84
31 Clemson 31.56
32 Western Kentucky 31.45
33 Southern California 31.41
34 Miami FL 31.14
35 Texas Tech 31.06
36 Wisconsin 30.75
37 Texas Christian 30.41
38 Northwestern 30.03
39 Iowa St. 29.83
40 Washington 29.81
41 Northeastern 29.6
42 Nebraska 29.49
43 Notre Dame 29.38
44 Ohio St. 28.95
45 Florida St. 28.92
46 Montana 28.81
47 Michigan 28.48
48 West Virginia 28.29
49 Penn St. 28.22
50 Vanderbilt 27.44
52 Buffalo 27.27
53 Houston 26.98
54 Dayton 26.64
55 Loyola Chicago 26.34
56 Illinois 26.19
57 Connecticut 26.1
58 Boston College 25.76
59 Oklahoma 25.71
60 Minnesota 25.58
61 Wofford 24.98
62 Missouri 24.92
63 Mississippi 24.92
64 Georgia St. 24.6
66 Purdue 24.15
67 South Carolina 23.71
68 Memphis 23.63
69 Harvard 23.53
70 Ball St. 23.43
72 Brigham Young 23.01
73 Southern Methodist 22.86
74 North Carolina Greensboro 22.62
75 Lipscomb 22.4
76 Radford 22.37
78 North Texas 22.33
79 Utah 22.24
80 Arizona 22.14
81 Toledo 22.11
82 Oregon St. 21.99
83 Utah St. 21.77
84 Belmont 21.74
85 Rutgers 21.68
86 UC Irvine 21.47
87 Illinois St. 21.45
88 Rider 21.23
89 Liberty 21.18
91 Texas A&M 21.14
92 Cincinnati 21
93 Arkansas 20.93
94 UC Davis 20.88
95 Temple 20.71
96 San Diego 20.52
98 Oklahoma St. 20.29
99 Rhode Island 20.27
100 Wake Forest 20.23
101 Old Dominion 20.18
102 Marshall 20.13
103 Fresno St. 20.09
104 Stephen F. Austin 20.07
105 St. Bonaventure 19.93
106 New Mexico 19.87
107 Colorado 19.85
108 Indiana St. 19.8
109 Nevada Las Vegas 19.72
110 Jacksonville St. 19.67
111 Baylor 19.6
112 Princeton 19.59
113 Southern Illinois 19.46
114 Georgia 19.42
115 Davidson 19.41
116 Northern Iowa 19.2
117 Eastern Michigan 19.11
118 Georgia Tech 18.71
119 South Alabama 18.71
120 Akron 18.61
121 Furman 18.59
122 Hofstra 18.59
123 Cal St. Fullerton 18.55
124 St. Francis PA 18.45
125 Yale 18.34
126 College of Charleston Southern 18.26
127 Virginia Commonwealth 18.2
128 Vermont 18.15
129 San Francisco 18.07
130 Stanford 18.07
131 Valparaiso 18.07
132 Boise St. 18.03
133 Middle Tennessee 17.91
134 St. Louis 17.85
135 Canisius 17.82
136 Wichita St. 17.78
137 Louisville 17.74
138 St. Joseph's 17.63
139 Idaho St. 17.56
140 South Dakota St. 17.56
141 Central Florida 17.52
142 Northern Colorado 17.51
143 St. Mary's 17.46
144 Murray St. 17.44
145 South Dakota 17.39
146 Southern Mississippi 17.36
147 Massachusetts 17.23
148 Austin Peay 17.21
149 Lehigh 17.11
150 Richmond 17.11
151 Iona 17.1
152 Loyola Marymount 16.8
153 Bradley 16.78
154 George Mason 16.77
155 Tulsa 16.73
156 Columbia 16.65
157 Seattle 16.59
158 North Florida 16.54
159 Delaware 16.49
160 Denver 16.45
161 William & Mary 16.45
162 Duquesne 16.42
163 Eastern Washington 16.42
164 Pacific 16.41
165 Washington St. 16.36
166 Utah Valley 16.33
167 Louisiana Lafayette 16.29
168 Northern Illinois 16.24
169 UAB 16.24
170 Texas San Antonio 16.23
171 Grand Canyon 16.17
172 North Carolina Wilmington 16.16
173 Cornell 16.1
174 James Madison 16.07
175 Northern Kentucky 16.06
176 Pepperdine 16.06
177 Kent St. 16.05
178 Central Michigan 15.98
179 Winthrop 15.9
180 Pennsylvania 15.89
181 IUPU Fort Wayne 15.65
182 New Mexico St. 15.58
183 NJ Inst of Technology 15.48
184 UC Santa Barbara 15.28
185 Wright St. 15.26
186 Georgia Southern 15.11
187 Fairleigh Dickinson 14.93
188 Tulane 14.8
189 Hartford 14.75
190 Texas Southern 14.62
191 Troy 14.52
192 Weber St. 14.48
193 Illinois Chicago 14.23
194 La Salle 14.22
195 Cal St. Bakersfield 14.12
196 Ohio 13.99
197 Colgate 13.88
198 Louisiana Tech 13.82
199 California 13.76
200 Long Beach St. 13.6
201 Monmouth 13.5
202 Tennessee Martin 13.37
203 St. Peter's 13.3
204 Florida Gulf Coast 13.22
205 Boston University 13.05
206 Hampton 12.96
207 Miami OH 12.96
208 Western Michigan 12.78
209 North Dakota St. 12.72
210 George Washington 12.69
211 Florida International 12.47
212 Appalachian St. 12.45
213 Coastal Carolina 12.43
214 Campbell 12.31
215 Charleston Southern 12.13
216 Howard 12.05
217 Hawaii 11.94
218 Long Island Brooklyn 11.93
219 Alabama St. 11.92
220 Colorado St. 11.9
221 Elon 11.89
222 Lamar 11.85
223 North Dakota 11.82
224 Air Force 11.69
225 Pittsburgh 11.68
226 Bowling Green 11.62
227 Southeast Missouri St. 11.52
228 Sam Houston St. 11.48
229 Fairfield 11.2
230 Missouri St. 11.14
231 Maryland Baltimore Co 11.1
232 Army 11.05
233 Montana St. 11.04
234 Fordham 11.02
235 Manhattan 11.02
236 Nebraska Omaha 11.02
237 Wyoming 10.89
238 Wagner 10.88
239 Gardner Webb 10.81
240 Oral Roberts 10.77
241 Charlotte 10.71
242 Quinnipiac 10.7
243 Louisiana Monroe 10.61
244 Santa Clara 10.6
245 Drake 10.59
246 Jacksonville 10.58
247 Brown 10.54
248 Eastern Kentucky 10.46
249 Samford 10.41
250 Texas St. 10.29
251 Niagara 10.28
252 American 10.19
253 New Orleans 10.19
254 Bucknell 10.11
255 Dartmouth 10.01
256 Binghamton 9.97
257 Western Carolina 9.85
258 Holy Cross 9.68
259 Portland St. 9.54
260 Robert Morris 9.49
261 Loyola MD 9.46
262 The Citadel 9.46
263 Abilene Christian 9.45
264 South Florida 9.41
265 Texas A&M Corpus Christi 9.27
266 Towson 9.19
267 St. Francis NY 9.14
268 Central Connecticut 9.07
269 Wisconsin Green Bay 8.97
270 East Tennessee St. 8.84
271 Siena 8.84
272 Central Arkansas 8.82
273 Bethune Cookman 8.8
274 Navy 8.7
275 Sacramento St. 8.7
276 North Carolina Asheville 8.68
277 UMass Lowell 8.64
278 Arkansas Little Rock 8.6
279 Lafayette 8.5
280 Stony Brook 8.49
281 Southern Utah 8.45
282 Tennessee Tech 8.38
283 Southeastern Louisiana 8.33
284 Northwestern St. 8.28
285 Arkansas Pine Bluff 8.25
286 Marist 8.23
287 Arkansas St. 8.11
288 Maryland Kings Co 8.02
289 East Carolina 8.01
290 Delaware St. 7.88
291 Morehead St. 7.88
292 Tennessee St. 7.78
293 Rice 7.75
294 Portland 7.67
295 Cal St. Northridge 7.57
296 Youngstown St. 7.48
297 Florida A&M 7.47
298 Florida Atlantic 7.47
299 McNeese St. 7.46
300 High Point 7.38
301 UC Riverside 7.38
302 Northern Arizona 7.36
303 Cal Poly 7.23
304 Prairie View A&M 7.18
305 Alcorn St. 7.18
306 Evansville 7.14
307 Idaho 6.85
308 Drexel 6.81
309 Maryland Eastern Shore 6.8
310 Chattanooga 6.78
311 Houston Baptist 6.7
312 Stetson 6.69
313 Eastern Illinois 6.64
314 Cleveland St. 6.53
315 Western Illinois 6.52
316 Bryant 6.39
317 North Carolina Central 6.35
318 Texas Rio Grande Valley 6.35
319 South Carolina St. 6.32
320 Southern 6.31
321 Virginia Military Inst 6.28
322 Norfolk St. 6.16
323 Sacred Heart 6.04
324 Incarnate Word 6.01
325 Albany 6
326 North Carolina A&T 5.96
327 Texas El Paso 5.84
328 Mercer 5.78
329 Oakland 5.71
330 Jackson St. 5.61
331 Savannah St. 5.58
332 New Hampshire 5.56
333 Maine 5.48
334 IUPUI 5.32
335 Mount St. Mary's 5.29
336 Wisconsin Milwaukee 5.24
337 Chicago St. 5.21
338 Mississippi Valley St. 5.1
339 Detroit 5.05
340 Morgan St. 5.01
341 Grambling 4.88
342 USC UpSt. 4.62
343 Alabama A&M 4.59
344 Presbyterian 4.45
345 SIU Edwardsville 4.43
346 Coppin St. 4.37
347 San Jose St. 3.96
348 Texas Arlington 3.86
349 Longwood 3.62
350 Kennesaw St. 3.6
351 Nicholls St. 2.68
This model is tainted as it has Quincy McKnight as the 1769 best player in the country. That just doesn’t pass any test of reasonableness for an All Conference player.
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This model is tainted as it has Quincy McKnight as the 1769 best player in the country. That just doesn’t pass any test of reasonableness for an All Conference player.
Lol. He shot like crap and turned it over a ton. Miserable numbers for a bad NEC team.
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Is Quincy the new Kostas?
For the record, I do agree that McKnight is ranked too low by value add....but I'm probably closer to Auburn than I am to HC
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Is Quincy the new Kostas?
For the record, I do agree that McKnight is ranked too low by value add....but I'm probably closer to Auburn than I am to HC
No, Zaire is the new Kostas. But there's no indication McKnight could play successfully at a lower level, seems unlikely he'll succeed at this level. I expect him to simply be bad. Value Add has him way too high, in my opinion.
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Weird that people are talking about SJU prospects and not mentioning they have the worst coach in the league. St. Jean is awful.
Well, considering we split with St. John's the last two seasons, and Mullin is 1-year behind Wojo in time on the job - not sure we should be calling Mullin awful.
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Well, considering we split with St. John's the last two seasons, and Mullin is 1-year behind Wojo in time on the job - not sure we should be calling Mullin awful.
Mullin: 38-60 overall, 12-42 in conference.
Wojo: 73-59 overall, 31-41 in conference.
So despite having one less year, Mullin has still lost one more game than Wojo has.
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Two years ago, Wojo split with Jay Wright. Wojo is great!
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Even if Mullin is a better coach than Wojo (and there's no indication that's the case) it speaks change that Mullin sucks and the only thing he's succeeded at doing in 3 years is failing to meet expectations. Maybe he finally figures it out, but more likely half the team transfers out by January and they lose double digit conference games again.
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Well, considering we split with St. John's the last two seasons, and Mullin is 1-year behind Wojo in time on the job - not sure we should be calling Mullin awful.
You're right. Mullin hasn't shown yet that he's awful.
He's still several rungs below awful. Putrid, perhaps? Rancid? Malodorous?
Then again, St. John's did beat Duke the only time they've played in the last 3 years, and Mullin is several decades behind Coach K. Ipso fatso, CM > K.
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Even if Mullin is a better coach than Wojo (and there's no indication that's the case) it speaks change that Mullin sucks and the only thing he's succeeded at doing in 3 years is failing to meet expectations. Maybe he finally figures it out, but more likely half the team transfers out by January and they lose double digit conference games again.
You realize this logic reflect poorly on our coach, correct? We lost each of the last two years to Mullin coached teams that lost double digit conference games and dealt with depleted rosters.
Furthermore this awful, putrid, rancid, malodorous coach - Chris Mullin - has his team in Year 4 now positioned in a virtual tie via Value Add with MU in Year 5 of the Wojo regime?
End of the day, Golden Avalanche offered up his usual awful take - that Mullin is worst coach in the league. If you believe that to be true, then Wojo has to be right alongside Mullin.
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You realize this logic reflect poorly on our coach, correct? We lost each of the last two years to Mullin coached teams that lost double digit conference games and dealt with depleted rosters.
Furthermore this awful, putrid, rancid, malodorous coach - Chris Mullin - has his team in Year 4 now positioned in a virtual tie via Value Add with MU in Year 5 of the Wojo regime?
Value Add and others are overrating St. John's. Having Heron included doesn't help, but even then it's true. Let the season play out, bud.
Yes, we lost last season to St. John's... if you recall, it was their third win in a row, having beat Nova and Duke in the games before us. They shot an insane 68.0% eFG% against us -- by FAR their best shooting of the entire season -- and were able to win by single digits at home against the Warriors. It's no secret that our defenses have been bad - and should improve nicely this season - but it was an especially rough night eFG% def wise at St. John's, and our offense was off (sub-50% eFG%). It'll be OK.
Wojo has done far better than Chris and will again this season.
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Two years ago, Wojo split with Jay Wright. Wojo is great!
Ners has not refuted this. He knows I'm right.
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Wojo is 4-2 vs. Mullin. Not that that is a good way to compare coaches. But why focus on 2-2 the last two years when it is 4-2 overall?
I certainly haven't been impressed by Mullin so far...mostly because it doesn't seem like St. John's ever has an offensive game plan...but the next two years are really what will make or break him. He had a rebuild just as difficult or even harder than Wojo did when he took over. He has yet to get them close to the promised land. If he makes the tournament this season and improves next season, then I think he's on the right track. Unless Heron is ruled eligible (personally doubt it), I think they will fall short.
Value Add and others are overrating St. John's. Having Heron included doesn't help, but even then it's true. Let the season play out, bud.
I agree with this. I think systems like value add really like St. John's because their top 5 players are very solid statistically. But the depth is not there and I don't see them being more than the sum of their parts. But time will tell.
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No, Zaire is the new Kostas. But there's no indication McKnight could play successfully at a lower level, seems unlikely he'll succeed at this level. I expect him to simply be bad. Value Add has him way too high, in my opinion.
You also said Kamar Baldwin sucked and we see how that turned out.
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You also said Kamar Baldwin sucked and we see how that turned out.
Henry Ellenson should be a beast for MU in his senior season next year!
If only we would’ve given Kostas 2 years of scholarship to give us 4 and 2 in his one season played, putting him on the court with Hank next year would be lethal!
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Wojo is 4-2 vs. Mullin. Not that that is a good way to compare coaches. But why focus on 2-2 the last two years when it is 4-2 overall?
5-2. MU beat SJU in the BET in Mullin's first year.
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You realize this logic reflect poorly on our coach, correct? We lost each of the last two years to Mullin coached teams that lost double digit conference games and dealt with depleted rosters.
Nope. That's dumb. You are trying to use a transitive property that would say the same about Jay Wright and Coach K. You're trying to analyze on a micro level when the conversation is macro.
You also said Kamar Baldwin sucked and we see how that turned out.
Baldwin was crap in the non-conference last year and in general is one of the more overrated players in the league. He was better in conference play, no doubt, but is still just a mid-level starter in the league.
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Baldwin was crap in the non-conference last year and in general is one of the more overrated players in the league. He was better in conference play, no doubt, but is still just a mid-level starter in the league.
Yep. Will be interesting to see what he does with Kelan Martin gone this year...
BEast stats:
Baldwin: 106.6 ORtg, 24.7% usage, 50.6% eFG%, 17.4% DR%, 17.9% ast rate, 14.3% to rate, 2.2% stl%
Our sophomores from his class...
Sam: 131.8 ORtg, 17.2% usage, 65.5% eFG%, 20.6% DR%, 14.8% ast rate, 10.5% to rate, 1.4% stl%
Markus: 110.2% ORtg, 29.4% usage, 54.3% eFG%, 10.1% DR%, 19.6% ast rate, 16.0% to rate, 2.0% stl%
Different tier than MU's guys, hey? <shrug>
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This model is tainted as it has Quincy McKnight as the 1769 best player in the country. That just doesn’t pass any test of reasonableness for an All Conference player.
Holy smokes! Conference #'s: 93.5 ORtg, 23.9% usage, 49.3% eFG%, 26.1% turnover rate (!!!) Yuuuuck. Your guy is what we thought he was. Just not very good at this level, bud.
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Holy smokes! Conference #'s: 93.5 ORtg, 23.9% usage, 49.3% eFG%, 26.1% turnover rate (!!!) Yuuuuck. Your guy is what we thought he was. Just not very good at this level, bud.
While I love a good Quincy McKnight troll, and he has been decidedly below average as you and most others aside from Herman expected, he does have the 4th highest steals rate in conference play and I really hope he does not have a field day in that respect tonight