White Privilege at MU

[muwarrior69]

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10860

[theBabyDavid]

Thank God Marquette is going to create more safe spaces. The white man's hubris is ubiquitous.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I think the university response so far has been appropriate. Unfortunately, there's not much the university can do in these cases. Sending out racist pictures is not a violation of the student rules. You can condemn it, but you can't punish it. Hard place for Lovell to be in. One side is screaming "this is PC BS" and the other side is screaming "crucify them", neither one is correct.

[real chili 83]

Didn't know we are ALL hillbillies. 

[Pakuni]

I think the "author" of that completely "objective" article might want to lay off the use of "quote" marks just "a little."

[tower912]

Just felt myself get dumber and sadder for having read that. 

[mu_hilltopper]

Is this the summary?

* 3 randoms and one MU student take a stupid picture that has a toy black doll and guns.  (whatever the hell that means.) 
* Picture is a year old.
* Picture was taken out of state, so 100+ miles away from campus.
* Some group holds a forum about race and respect at MU that irks people
* Also of note, this tweet which doesn't make sense, but one would think violates student conduct code:  https://twitter.com/SaintSamantha1/status/989368373262868480

[real chili 83]

Solutions looking for a problem.

[theBabyDavid]

Dr. Lovell may possess Catholic spiritual purity but he lacks backbone. Can Fr. Wild be recycled one more time?

[mu_hilltopper]

Dr. Lovell may possess Catholic spiritual purity but he lacks backbone.

Explain.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Is this the summary?

* 3 randoms and one MU student take a stupid picture that has a toy black doll and guns.  (whatever the hell that means.) 
* Picture is a year old.
* Picture was taken out of state, so 100+ miles away from campus.
* Some group holds a forum about race and respect at MU that irks people
* Also of note, this tweet which doesn't make sense, but one would think violates student conduct code https://twitter.com/SaintSamantha1/status/989368373262868480

How does it violate the student conduct code?

[GGGG]

Yeah I’m not exactly sure what Marquette did wrong here.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Put an Arby's on every corner.  Micromeat spaces raise all tides.

[mu_hilltopper]

How does it violate the student conduct code?

Hmmm .. telling the President of the University to go f*ck themselves in a public forum ..

How about ..

"Physically or verbally abusing or threatening any person, on or off the campus, including especially such persons as student staff and Marquette University Police Department officers."

Or ..

"Participating in .. harassment, which includes actions or situations that do or could result in mental, emotional or physical discomfort, embarrassment, ridicule or endangerment whether intentionally, for fun or by consent."

Now, Lovell is a big boy and can take it, but frankly, I'd prefer zero students who post such a thing ever proudly hoist a MU diploma. 

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Hmmm .. telling the President of the University to go f*ck themselves in a public forum ..

How about ..

"Physically or verbally abusing or threatening any person, on or off the campus, including especially such persons as student staff and Marquette University Police Department officers."

Or ..

"Participating in .. harassment, which includes actions or situations that do or could result in mental, emotional or physical discomfort, embarrassment, ridicule or endangerment whether intentionally, for fun or by consent."

Now, Lovell is a big boy and can take it, but frankly, I'd prefer zero students who post such a thing ever proudly hoist a MU diploma.

So students can't have opinions? Right or wrong that ain't even close to anything that would warrant suspension or expulsion.

I like Lovell a lot, and as you said he's a big boy. How many times have we told people to eff themselves? I probably yell it in my car on a daily basis. Never directly to a person but that's really no different than twitter.

[chapman]

There was one crummy incident, which the university called out immediately as unacceptable.  If there other specific incidents or biases, then they should identify them specifically so everyone at the university can put an end to it immediately.  Crying about "white privilege" and labeling (unnamed) students as racist hillbillies only serves to further divide.

[mu_hilltopper]

So students can't have opinions? Right or wrong that ain't even close to anything that would warrant suspension or expulsion.

I didn't say anything remotely near "students can't have opinions."   Being disrespectful in the extreme, especially in a public forum, is a clear conduct violation.

I like Lovell a lot, and as you said he's a big boy. How many times have we told people to eff themselves? I probably yell it in my car on a daily basis. Never directly to a person but that's really no different than twitter.

Twitter is a public forum, not in the same universe as yelling inside your car.

Telling a teacher, principal, director, chair, president, or your boss to go f*ck themselves, especially publicly, is not -- or should not be -- without consequence.   

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Hmmm .. telling the President of the University to go f*ck themselves in a public forum ..

How about ..

"Physically or verbally abusing or threatening any person, on or off the campus, including especially such persons as student staff and Marquette University Police Department officers."

Or ..

"Participating in .. harassment, which includes actions or situations that do or could result in mental, emotional or physical discomfort, embarrassment, ridicule or endangerment whether intentionally, for fun or by consent."

Now, Lovell is a big boy and can take it, but frankly, I'd prefer zero students who post such a thing ever proudly hoist a MU diploma.

Sorry to tell you, but if you punished a student for this that would result in the world's easiest lawsuit. That is free speech. Its douchey free speech but free speech none the less.

[GGGG]

There was one crummy incident, which the university called out immediately as unacceptable.  If there other specific incidents or biases, then they should identify them specifically so everyone at the university can put an end to it immediately.  Crying about "white privilege" and labeling (unnamed) students as racist hillbillies only serves to further divide.

White privilege is an actual thing though.

[real chili 83]

Is it?

All white people are privileged?

[Jockey]

Sorry to tell you, but if you punished a student for this that would result in the world's easiest lawsuit. That is free speech. Its douchey free speech but free speech none the less.

The light of day is the best punishment. The police - not MU - should name the student who did this.

[Jockey]

There was one crummy incident, which the university called out immediately as unacceptable.  If there other specific incidents or biases, then they should identify them specifically so everyone at the university can put an end to it immediately.  Crying about "white privilege" and labeling (unnamed) students as racist hillbillies only serves to further divide.

While I agree with the 1st two sentences, I think your last one seems to say that you don't think white privilege occurs. What is your rationale? There is almost unlimited proof that it does exist.

If I am misunderstanding what you are saying, feel free to point that out.

[mu_hilltopper]

Sorry to tell you, but if you punished a student for this that would result in the world's easiest lawsuit. That is free speech. Its douchey free speech but free speech none the less.

Marquette is a private institution, not bound by the 1st amendment.    Google tells me so: "Private universities are not directly bound by the First Amendment, which limits only government action."

I'm happy to be schooled by a real lawyer, if any would like to chime in.

[Stronghold]

Can anyone explain why the picture was that racially charged?

[Hards Alumni]

Is it?

All white people are privileged?

Can you walk into a store without being followed or watched?  Can you go to Starbucks for a business meeting without being asked to leave and have the police called? 

You can.  This is what White privilege means.  You have the privilege of walking around without suspicion, and generally speaking being White affords you privileges that others are not.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/gina-crosleycorcoran/explaining-white-privilege-to-a-broke-white-person_b_5269255.html