2018-19 minutes per game

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Now that the roster is set, how do you guys see the breakdown?

1-JC 30, Markus 10
2-Markus 25, Elliott 15
3-Sam 25, Cain 15
4-Morrow 20, Joey 10, Sam 5
5-Heldt 20, Theo 15, Morrow 5

This is an extremely rough estimate. I know Sacar will get playing time, I just have no idea where, same with Joey. It's nice to have options though.

[KampusFoods]

Think you're high on Heldt, way low on Joey, obviously low on Sacar (he may start). Wojo and co. have their work cut out for them finding the right lineups. Good problem to have.

[GGGG]

Now that the roster is set, how do you guys see the breakdown?

1-JC 30, Markus 10
2-Markus 25, Elliott 15
3-Sam 25, Cain 15
4-Morrow 25, Joey 10, Sam 5
5-Heldt 25, Theo 15, Morrow 5

This is an extremely rough estimate. I know Sacar will get playing time, I just have no idea where, same with Joey. It's nice to have options though.

Joey will get more than 10 mpg if he is healthy.

More like:

Markus: 28
Sam: 28
Morrow: 22
JC: 21
Joey: 18
Heldt: 18
Greg: 15
Cain: 15
Sacar: 13
Theo: 13
Bailey: 6
Ike: 3

I think the rotation will be cut down so that by conference season, Bailey and Ike will see a lot of DNPs with some single digit nights for Sacar.  It's going to depend on what they need from game to game.  Defense will mean more Sacar and less Cain, and vice versa.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Agree sacar is not any good.  Joey should get his minutes on day 1.  Cain, elliot, theo between 10-20 depending on thrir improvemnt.  I see sacar as a single digit in conference, more if he has a creighton type night.  Possible grad transfer to a mid major. Add Koby and others in 19, cain n elliot juniors, joey, sam, marcus ... where are sacars minutes.  Gotta be able to shoot it.

[Its DJOver]

Joey will get more than 10 mpg if he is healthy.

More like:

Markus: 28
Sam: 28
Morrow: 22
JC: 21
Joey: 18
Heldt: 18
Greg: 15
Cain: 15
Sacar: 13
Theo: 13
Bailey: 6
Ike: 3

I think the rotation will be cut down so that by conference season, Bailey and Ike will see a lot of DNPs with some single digit nights for Sacar.  It's going to depend on what they need from game to game.  Defense will mean more Sacar and less Cain, and vice versa.

I think that's a little low on Theo.  Matt will in all likelihood still start, but based on his improvement during last season, I don't think that Theo will only get a 1 mpg bump next year.  I think they'll both be between 15 and 18.  Also while Ed will get some minutes at the 5, I think it'll be less than 5 per game, unless extreme foul situation.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Next year will be Wojo's biggest challenge in roster management. Lots of players worthy of minutes. Almost think you have to do a redshirt (on top of McEwen).

Rough guess:

1: Chartouney 25, Howard 15
2: Howard 15,  Elliott 15, Anim 10
3: S Hauser 20, Anim 10, J Hauser 5, Bailey 5
4: Morrow 15, J Hauser 15, S Hauser 10
5: Heldt 15, John 15, Morrow 10

Garbage Minutes Only: Eke
Redshirt: Cain

Total Minutes per Game:
S Hauser 30
Howard 30
Chartouney 25
Morrow 25
Anim 20
J Hauser 20
Elliott 15
Heldt 15
John 15
Bailey 5
Eke GT
Cain RS

And this is knowing next to nothing about Bailey. He was the #92 freshman in the 2016 class. Is he coming in like the #92 freshman? Is he coming in like a former #92 freshman who is now an upperclassmen? There's a chance he could be very good right away.

This is also without knowing how much Elliott's injury hampered him last season. It's possible that he be one of the most improved players in the Big East.

[MU82]

Next year will be Wojo's biggest challenge in roster management. Lots of players worthy of minutes. Almost think you have to do a redshirt (on top of McEwen).

Rough guess:

1: Chartouney 25, Howard 15
2: Howard 15,  Elliott 15, Anim 10
3: S Hauser 20, Anim 10, J Hauser 5, Bailey 5
4: Morrow 15, J Hauser 15, S Hauser 10
5: Heldt 15, John 15, Morrow 10

Garbage Minutes Only: Eke
Redshirt: Cain

Total Minutes per Game:
S Hauser 30
Howard 30
Chartouney 25
Morrow 25
Anim 20
J Hauser 20
Elliott 15
Heldt 15
John 15
Bailey 5
Eke GT
Cain RS

And this is knowing next to nothing about Bailey. He was the #92 freshman in the 2016 class. Is he coming in like the #92 freshman? Is he coming in like a former #92 freshman who is now an upperclassmen? There's a chance he could be very good right away.

This is also without knowing how much Elliott's injury hampered him last season. It's possible that he be one of the most improved players in the Big East.

Cain as redshirt is a very bold prediction, TAMU.

Based on how much he improved last season, it's hard to imagine it. He averaged 20 mpg in our last 7 games and 21 in the NIT. Shot nearly 50% from 3. Disruptive force on D (even if he was a little lost sometimes because he was a frosh). It's really hard to imagine Wojo's ability to sell Cain on it; it's not as if Cain got Sacar-type minutes as a frosh. But I guess anything is possible. I would think Cain would get some (most) of Sacar's minutes, and if I had to make a bold prediction it might be Sacar leaving vs. Cain redshirting.

Otherwise, your ,pg distribution seems reasonable.

Agree with others who say Wojo has his work cut out for him, and that it will be a great problem to have.

[brewcity77]

When Wojo had depth in 2016-17, no one played more than 27 minutes. He's not Ed Cooley where all starters get 37+, he wants his to rest. On this team, he can do that.

1: Chartouny 25, Howard 10, Elliott 5
2: Howard 15, Elliott 10, Anim 10, Cain 3, Bailey 2
3: S. Hauser 15, Cain 10, Anim 5, Elliott 5, J. Hauser 3, Bailey 2
4: Morrow 20, J. Hauser 10, S. Hauser 10
5: Heldt 18, John 15, Morrow 5, Eke 2

Totals

Joseph Chartouny 25
Markus Howard 25
Sam Hauser 25
Ed Morrow 25
Greg Elliott 20
Matt Heldt 18
Sacar Anim 15
Theo John 15
Jamal Cain 13
Joey Hauser 13
Brendan Bailey 4
Ike Eke 2

[onepost]

Next year will be Wojo's biggest challenge in roster management. Lots of players worthy of minutes. Almost think you have to do a redshirt (on top of McEwen).

Rough guess:

Redshirt: Cain

TAMU, I agree with damn near 99% of your posts, but this I am baffled by.
Jamal made some of the greatest strides of anyone we had last year, and his ceiling is the highest on the entire team.

Now if you've heard something from someone then by all means I'll defer to you, but I can't see any scenario where Jamal isn't a very big part of each team going forward.
I think a more likely scenario is Sacar opts out and tries to find greener PT pastures than Jamal redshirting.

[Nukem2]

Have the feeling that folks here are really underselling Brendan Bailey.  He was #62 in the RSCI ranking for 2016 class.  Sure, he will have some "rust".  But, this is a talented player.  Not going to get minor minutes I suspect.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

As of now, I see it shaking out something like this over the course of the season.  I think everyone will play early.  Rotation will be cut down by BE play.  Minutes will be tough to come for the Greg, Cain and Sacar group - not to mention Bailey and Eke.  But this is a very, very good problem to have.  We've never been more insulated to injuries, and this guy is happy we're finally not self-imposing scholarship deductions. 

PG: JC 25, Markus 15
SG: Markus 15, Greg 15, Sacar 10
SF: Sam 25, Cain 15
PF: Morrow 15, Joey 20, Sam 5
C: Theo 15, Heldt 15, Morrow 10

Totals:
Markus 30
Sam 30
Morrow 25
JC 25
Joey 20
Theo 15
Heldt 15
Cain 15
Greg 15
Sacar 10

Spot minutes for Bailey and Ike. 

[brewcity77]

I could see the Cain redshirt simply on a numbers basis. In my projection, Anim, Joey, and Bailey would split his 13 minutes.

I don't think it will happen, but it's hard to find minutes for 12 guys without someone redshirting. Especially if the depth chart actually goes 10 deep, which means significant minutes for the 7 returning players, the 2 transfers, and one of the freshmen.

[nyg]

Lets see.  Sam and Morrow will get big minutes next two years.  That leaves Cain, Joey, Sacar and Bailey fighting for reserve playing time. Someone not gonna be happy.

Guards are set with JC, Howard and Elliott, no problem with rotations there.

Center set with John, Heldt and Ike.

Good position for Wojo and staff to be in, but the minutes at the forward spots should be interesting. 

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Joey will get his minutes. Last year he probably would have gotten 20 a game, but he's walking into a unique situation with Morrow coming of his redshirt.

I think Cain will be the primary backup at the 3 for Sam, Sacar may be on the outside looking in despite having a pretty nice season.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Cain as redshirt is a very bold prediction, TAMU.

Based on how much he improved last season, it's hard to imagine it. He averaged 20 mpg in our last 7 games and 21 in the NIT. Shot nearly 50% from 3. Disruptive force on D (even if he was a little lost sometimes because he was a frosh). It's really hard to imagine Wojo's ability to sell Cain on it; it's not as if Cain got Sacar-type minutes as a frosh. But I guess anything is possible. I would think Cain would get some (most) of Sacar's minutes, and if I had to make a bold prediction it might be Sacar leaving vs. Cain redshirting.

Otherwise, your ,pg distribution seems reasonable.

Agree with others who say Wojo has his work cut out for him, and that it will be a great problem to have.

I'd plop him in front of TV and play a clip of Mikal Bridges getting his named called as a lottery pick and say "I want to use this redshirt year to make this happen for you"

I'm not going to go into all of my thinking on this topic because I think I might do a quick PT post on it. But I think there are a lot of reasons why it would make sense. I am a big fan of the redshirt and think it is criminally underused in college basketball. Glad Wojo found a way to use it each of the last two years. With 12 high major caliber players eligible to play next season (assuming Eke is healthy), I think it would be a waste not to use it.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I'd plop him in front of TV and play a clip of Mikal Bridges getting his named called as a lottery pick and say "I want to use this redshirt year to make this happen for you"

I'm not going to go into all of my thinking on this topic because I think I might do a quick PT post on it. But I think there are a lot of reasons why it would make sense. I am a big fan of the redshirt and think it is criminally underused in college basketball. Glad Wojo found a way to use it each of the last two years. With 12 high major caliber players eligible to play next season (assuming Eke is healthy), I think it would be a waste not to use it.

It is likely criminally underused because in many scenarios the guy you just redshirted is going to bounce after his junior year of eligibility and go play for someone else. 

[brewcity77]

It is likely criminally underused because in many scenarios the guy you just redshirted is going to bounce after his junior year of eligibility and go play for someone else.

Except they generally don't unless they are losing minutes. Duane left because he had fallen back since his freshman year. Rowsey, Jamil, and Otule all stayed because they still had opportunity. Hell, Jake Thomas announced his transfer then changed his mind when Vander Blue declared. No opportunity, I'm gone. More opportunity, I'll stay.

If he redshirts and leaves, it's either for the NBA or because someone passed him by. If he's a starter, he likely stays. I'm fine with all of that.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Except they generally don't unless they are losing minutes. Duane left because he had fallen back since his freshman year. Rowsey, Jamil, and Otule all stayed because they still had opportunity. Hell, Jake Thomas announced his transfer then changed his mind when Vander Blue declared. No opportunity, I'm gone. More opportunity, I'll stay.

If he redshirts and leaves, it's either for the NBA or because someone passed him by. If he's a starter, he likely stays. I'm fine with all of that.

Completely forgot about Jake Thomas and Juan Anderson announcing their transfers and then staying.

[brewcity77]

Completely forgot about Jake Thomas and Juan Anderson announcing their transfers and then staying.

That was a crazy offseason. Ferguson also transferred then there was the McKay departure. The season that should've been Marquette's Big East title and Final Four run and instead we don't even make the tournament. That's the most disgraceful season of the 21st century, punctuated by Buzz leaving.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Except they generally don't unless they are losing minutes. Duane left because he had fallen back since his freshman year. Rowsey, Jamil, and Otule all stayed because they still had opportunity. Hell, Jake Thomas announced his transfer then changed his mind when Vander Blue declared. No opportunity, I'm gone. More opportunity, I'll stay.

If he redshirts and leaves, it's either for the NBA or because someone passed him by. If he's a starter, he likely stays. I'm fine with all of that.

I wasn't referring to Marquette specifically, just college basketball in general.  Red shirting a guy for non injury related reasons opens up the possibility of you spending 4 scholarships to only get 3 years of play out of him.  Sometimes they make a ton of sense - like Sacar for instance.  He wasn't going to play much as a sophomore, so why not?  I think they make sense in some scenarios.

I think finding a redshirt for next season isn't a terrible idea due to the number of players deserving of minutes.  Just not sure who the best fit is.  Cain is an interesting one, but I personally don't see it happening.  Bailey maybe...but my guess is he really wants to play after not playing competitively for 2 years..and I am sure the coaching staff wants him to get on the court as well...but I just don't see many minutes for him at all. 

Like I said earlier...this is a very good problem to have.   

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It is likely criminally underused because in many scenarios the guy you just redshirted is going to bounce after his junior year of eligibility and go play for someone else.

Statistically speaking a very small % of players who are grad transfer eligible actually use it. Like Brew said at high majors it usually only happens if the player has lost his minutes

[wadesworld]

Sam 30
Markus 28
Joey 24
Chartouney 24
Ed 23
Sacar 16
Jamal 14
Greg 13
Theo 10
Heldt 10
Bailey 7
Ike 2

[MU82]

I'd plop him in front of TV and play a clip of Mikal Bridges getting his named called as a lottery pick and say "I want to use this redshirt year to make this happen for you"

I'm not going to go into all of my thinking on this topic because I think I might do a quick PT post on it. But I think there are a lot of reasons why it would make sense. I am a big fan of the redshirt and think it is criminally underused in college basketball. Glad Wojo found a way to use it each of the last two years. With 12 high major caliber players eligible to play next season (assuming Eke is healthy), I think it would be a waste not to use it.

I look forward to reading your article, and I won't ask you to "give it away" here.

But the redshirts the last 2 years - Sacar in 2016-17 and Eke in 2017-18 - were coming off seasons that there absolutely nothing like the one Cain just came off of.

Sacar was a sub-mediocre bit player the year before his redshirt, with 16 DNP-CDs and otherwise garbage-time minutes. Eke was hurt. Even Bridges ... he redshirted before he ever played a game for Nova - that's a much easier sell, and was probably part of the recruiting pitch.

Cain had a decent-to-good freshman season (depending upon who is doing the grading) and got better as the season progressed.

I totally understand your reasoning, and I even (kind of) agree it might be a good thing for the program, but I just don't see it happening. Without knowing Cain at all, I think it would be a VERY tough sell.

"I know I said 100 times that you improved as much as anybody on our team (if not more). I know I said you were 'electrifying' several times. I know you shot nearly 50% from 3-point range. And I know I kept giving you more and more minutes. But now I want to shut you down for an entire year. Thanks!"

I just don't see it.

[GGGG]

I think the chances of Bailey redshirting are greater than Cain.  (That is without knowing either of them personally.)

[Nukem2]

I think the chances of Bailey redshirting are greater than Cain.  (That is without knowing either of them personally.)

Seriously doubt that Bailey would redshirt.  He has already not played for 2 years.  Cain won’t either.  MU needs his length and bounciness as there is not much of either on this squad.