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tower912

Where do Wright and Bielein rank?  Have they passed Izzo, K, Boeheim, Roy?  I think both have put themselves in the conversation.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Bielein? Not past any of them. Wright? I think he is right up there with Izzo and Boeheim. K and Roy are on different levels.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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GGGG

If Nova wins tonight, Wright will join Williams and K as the only current coaches with multiple national championships.  (D1 men for the pedants out there.)

MU82

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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


tower912

Also, currently employed.     Bennett isn't there yet.    No tourney success.   I always worry about coaches who think they have the greatest new system.   Now Wright's system.... get 5 guys who can spread the floor, dribble, pass, shoot the 3, drive, defend.... that is the system I want to see copied.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.


lurch91

If Wright wins tonight, he's one of the top 5 current coaches. If he loses, he's a tier lower.  I don't think Bielein is there yet, second finals but hasn't won it all.  Had good but not great teams at WVa.

LAZER

Quote from: TAMU Chardonnay on April 02, 2018, 08:03:03 AM
Bielein? Not past any of them. Wright? I think he is right up there with Izzo and Boeheim. K and Roy are on different levels.
If Wright wins tonight I'd put him right up there with K and Roy and ahead of Izzo, Self, Boeheim.

HutchwasClutch

Beilein doesn't have championship...yet, but he is highly underrated.  Has one big now at two major programs.  Michigan was not in healthy shape when he took over from Amaker. 

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jutaw22mu

I think Jay Wright is currently the best coach in the game.

barfolomew

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GooooMarquette

K  >>>  Wright, Deputy Dawg  >  Izzo, Boeheim  >  Self  >  [other really good coaches]*


* Big group, with guys like Huggy, Bennett, and others.

cheebs09


Tha Hound

Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2018, 09:23:10 AM
Also, currently employed.     Bennett isn't there yet.    No tourney success.   I always worry about coaches who think they have the greatest new system.   Now Wright's system.... get 5 guys who can spread the floor, dribble, pass, shoot the 3, drive, defend.... that is the system I want to see copied.

Ah yes, the old "have really good basketball players" system.

GGGG

Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 02, 2018, 10:09:16 AM
K  >>>  Wright, Deputy Dawg  >  Izzo, Boeheim  >  Self  >  [other really good coaches]*


* Big group, with guys like Huggy, Bennett, and others.


I don't know.  K seems to have devolved into "rolling the ball out there" mode.  I don't think he is all that different than Calipari or Self at this point.

Coaches like Wright and Beilein, and even guys like Bo and Roy Williams, recruit guys to their system and excel within that system.  To me that's more about coaching than just getting a bunch of NBA talent to play together.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: LAZER on April 02, 2018, 09:45:12 AM
If Wright wins tonight I'd put him right up there with K and Roy and ahead of Izzo, Self, Boeheim.

K has 5 titles and 12 Final Fours
Roy has 3 titles and 9 Final Fours
If Jay wins, he'll have 2 titles and 3 Final Fours.

I like the guy,  but Wright has a long way to go before being considered right up there with K and Roy IMHO
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Aughnanure

I usually like to think about this question by asking:

If you could hire any current college basketball to take over Marquette, who would you pick?

I always go to Self almost immediately. Huge winner, still pretty young so could be around for another 20 yrs easy. Wright is up there too with Bennett. Cal too.

“All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.” - T.E. Lawrence

GGGG

Quote from: TAMU Chardonnay on April 02, 2018, 10:18:17 AM
K has 5 titles and 12 Final Fours
Roy has 3 titles and 9 Final Fours
If Jay wins, he'll have 2 titles and 3 Final Fours.

I like the guy,  but Wright has a long way to go before being considered right up there with K and Roy IMHO


The question is "who is currently the best men's basketball coach."  Not who is the most accomplished.

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: TAMU Chardonnay on April 02, 2018, 10:18:17 AM
K has 5 titles and 12 Final Fours
Roy has 3 titles and 9 Final Fours
If Jay wins, he'll have 2 titles and 3 Final Fours.

I like the guy,  but Wright has a long way to go before being considered right up there with K and Roy IMHO

K and Roy have coached nothing but blue blood programs.  Nova is hardly a blue blood, and the program was not in good shape when he took it over.  K and Roy have been coaching their blue blood programs since early 80's (K) and late 80's (Roy).  Give Wright their longevity and see what the number comparisons look like.  It wasn't until '01 where he even got a shot at a program that can compete for FF and titles. 

He absolutely belongs with them.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: #bansultan on April 02, 2018, 10:25:58 AM

The question is "who is currently the best men's basketball coach."  Not who is the most accomplished.

Fair enough. In that case I backup PTMs submission of  Stew Morril  ;D
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on April 02, 2018, 10:27:09 AM
K and Roy have coached nothing but blue blood programs.  Nova is hardly a blue blood, and the program was not in good shape when he took it over.  K and Roy have been coaching their blue blood programs since early 80's (K) and late 80's (Roy).  Give Wright their longevity and see what the number comparisons look like.  It wasn't until '01 where he even got a shot at a program that can compete for FF and titles. 

He absolutely belongs with them.

That's all fine. I have no qualms with anyone who says Jay  Wright will be as good as or better than Roy and K in the future. I just prefer to see them actually earn it before declaring it.  Wright is young,  I have little doubt that he will get more final fours and titles before he is done. But I personally won't put him with Roy and K until he actually does it.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


MU82

Quote from: #bansultan on April 02, 2018, 10:25:58 AM

The question is "who is currently the best men's basketball coach."  Not who is the most accomplished.

I suppose. But the "best" could be some guy at Presbyterian or N.C. Central or a Division III program. He just hasn't had a chance to prove it on the national stage.

How will he get that chance? By accomplishing stuff.

"Best" is subjective, and requires the person making the call to use his/her own set of criteria.

Is "best" based purely on X's and O's during games? Ego management? Ability to prepare a team in practice? Recruiting? History of success? Probability of future success?
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