Mack to Louisville?

[Pakuni]

This. Xavier was mentioned in the FBI probe and have had their own off the court issues. Heck, they had their own on the court discipline issues. Mack didn't get the job due to a squeaky clean image. I'd say he has a better resume than Buzz.

Not this.
Xavier was mentioned in the FBI probe because a former player and/or his dad may have received money from an agent. That had nothing to do with Mack, and certainly nothing akin to some of the issues we saw at MU, i.e. multiple sex assault allegations and a coach fired for an NCAA violation. Saying Mack had issues similar to Buzz is like saying Buzz had issues similar to Pitino.

Look, I have a great deal of appreciation for what Buzz did at MU, but he doesn't deserve the deification some around here give him. There was some downside to all the great things he did.

[🏀]

This. Xavier was mentioned in the FBI probe and have had their own off the court issues. Heck, they had their own on the court discipline issues. Mack didn't get the job due to a squeaky clean image. I'd say he has a better resume than Buzz.

In an alternative reality, Buzz didn't leave MU for VTI. Buzz had relative success and then left for UL.

What about the reality where Hitler cured cancer? Just don't think about it, Morty.

[cheebs09]

Not this.
Xavier was mentioned in the FBI probe because a former player and/or his dad may have received money from an agent. That had nothing to do with Mack, and certainly nothing akin to some of the issues we saw at MU, i.e. multiple sex assault allegations and a coach fired for an NCAA violation. Saying Mack had issues similar to Buzz is like saying Buzz had issues similar to Pitino.

Xavier has had its own issues off the court too.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17444625/xavier-musketeers-guard-myles-davis-suspended-indefinitely

[warriorchick]

Xavier has had its own issues off the court too.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17444625/xavier-musketeers-guard-myles-davis-suspended-indefinitely

The difference is that Buzz made sure that none of the Marquette players received any real consequences for their off-court incidents.

[🏀]

The difference is that Buzz made sure that none of the Marquette players received any real consequences for their off-court incidents.

When you gather the team for a special meeting after a sexual assault to collaborate, you can assist in getting out of these things.

[GGGG]

When you gather the team for a special meeting after a sexual assault to collaborate, you can assist in getting out of these things.

And encourage someone to contact the alleged victim during said meeting.

[🏀]

And encourage someone to contact the alleged victim during said meeting.

How did I forget the best part?

[warriorchick]

When you gather the team for a special meeting after a sexual assault to collaborate, you can assist in getting out of these things.

That was my point.

[Goose]

warriorchick

Why is no one higher up than Buzz held accountable in your opinion? If it is your belief that Buzz and athletic department held the power, than it was a mini-Louisville. I get you bleed blue and gold, but if brass knew what you believe you know, I have lost a lot respect for BOT.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

warriorchick

Why is no one higher up than Buzz held accountable in your opinion? If it is your belief that Buzz and athletic department held the power, than it was a mini-Louisville. I get you bleed blue and gold, but if brass knew what you believe you know, I have lost a lot respect for BOT.

Why do you assume that no one above Buzz was held accountable?

[warriorchick]

warriorchick

Why is no one higher up than Buzz held accountable in your opinion? If it is your belief that Buzz and athletic department held the power, than it was a mini-Louisville. I get you bleed blue and gold, but if brass knew what you believe you know, I have lost a lot respect for BOT.

Note that the "brass" is no longer at the University, either. And  the new people replaced Buzz with someone who was squeaky clean.

My guess is that the BOD did not have enough hard evidence to punish Buzz.  Also, a lot of this stuff did not come to full light until after he was on his way out.

I do know that for many reasons, there were cartwheels in Zilber when Buzz quit.

[Goose]

TAMU

I have little interest in getting long debate over 6-7 years ago. I went on record after Buzz's second S16 that the BOT wanted him gone. They knew what happened and publicly supported Buzz. Buzz was told, encouraged to look for a new gig and would have been gone one year earlier if they did not go so deep in NCAA.

Fact is, BOT knew, they wanted Buzz out and did not have the backbone to can him.

Warriorchick

The BOT is the brass I am talking about. Covering up a sexual assault is far bigger than AD or President. They kept things in house, rather than dumping Buzz.

[WarriorDad]

When you gather the team for a special meeting after a sexual assault to collaborate, you can assist in getting out of these things.

That's bad

[Goose]

Warriorchick

While you are well connected, or so it seems, but to say a lot of stuff did not come out until Buzz was on way out, is just factually inaccurate. Possibly it became news to you, but the dirty laundry was known by the inner circle.

Also, of course there were cartwheels when he left. They wanted him to leave two years earlier. Of course they got squeaky clean. That was the plan over two years before Buzz was gone.

[WarriorDad]

Warriorchick

While you are well connected, or so it seems, but to say a lot of stuff did not come out until Buzz was on way out, is just factually inaccurate. Possibly it became news to you, but the dirty laundry was known by the inner circle.

Also, of course there were cartwheels when he left. They wanted him to leave two years earlier. Of course they got squeaky clean. That was the plan over two years before Buzz was gone.

Do you object to squeaky clean?  You seem to be a Porter Moser guy, doesn't he fit that bill? 

[Goose]

WarriorDad

I have no problem with squeaky clean. I have no idea if Porter is a legit long time winner or one hit wonder. Have stated my love of Rick many times and I love the Rick connection. Have talked to number of folks that know Porter and say he is a great, great guy. Heard he is comfortable with a cold one in his hand, so my kind of guy.

[Herman Cain]

WarriorDad

I have no problem with squeaky clean. I have no idea if Porter is a legit long time winner or one hit wonder. Have stated my love of Rick many times and I love the Rick connection. Have talked to number of folks that know Porter and say he is a great, great guy. Heard he is comfortable with a cold one in his hand, so my kind of guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWtI2VMNOfU

[Billy Hoyle]

And encourage someone to contact the alleged victim during said meeting.

And don't forget run off the guy who knew what really happened but was expendable.

Buzz was complete trash.

[Billy Hoyle]

TAMU

I have little interest in getting long debate over 6-7 years ago. I went on record after Buzz's second S16 that the BOT wanted him gone. They knew what happened and publicly supported Buzz. Buzz was told, encouraged to look for a new gig and would have been gone one year earlier if they did not go so deep in NCAA.

Fact is, BOT knew, they wanted Buzz out and did not have the backbone to can him.

Warriorchick

The BOT is the brass I am talking about. Covering up a sexual assault is far bigger than AD or President. They kept things in house, rather than dumping Buzz.

It wasn't that they didn't have the guts, but Buzz's contract was so ridiculous and advantageous to him he could do whatever he wanted without consequences. He told his superiors as much.

[Goose]

Billy

You do not risk an entire University reputation over a contract buyout. Again, either it was an issue or it was not. If it was, you write the check.

[Silkk the Shaka]

And don't forget run off the guy who knew what really happened but was expendable.

Buzz was complete trash.

Singleton?

[Lennys Tap]

If you're sticking by the argument that Virginia Tech 's program was as bad as DePaul's has been, there's no use continuing this discussion. It's like discussing astrophysics with Kyrie Irving.
Chicos:Crean::Lenny:Buzz

Pakuni,

Please reread my post. I cleary stated that DePaul was worse. De Paul was 8-44 in Buzz's last 3 years at MU and finished last in the Big East all three years. Tech was 10-42 and finished tied for last once and last twice. Not as bad (which I admitted) but comparable.

[WarriorDad]

And don't forget run off the guy who knew what really happened but was expendable.

Buzz was complete trash.

Who was that?

[willie warrior]

And don't forget run off the guy who knew what really happened but was expendable.

Buzz was complete trash.

Now c'mon. Buzz was just a misunderstood downhome lonesome cowboy.

[Billy Hoyle]

Billy

You do not risk an entire University reputation over a contract buyout. Again, either it was an issue or it was not. If it was, you write the check.

I agree, and many wanted him gone, but $15 million is a lot for MU. Esprcially when Buzz had the biggest donors in his back pocket.

The best strategy they had considering the financial implications was to drive him away.