Author Topic: Way too early 2018-2019 expectations... (Read 18673 times)

5DollarPitcher · « **on:** March 21, 2018, 12:40:41 PM »

The way I see it there are two factions:
1. Wojo is making great progress, the breakthrough is coming
2. Wojo will never get there, we should cut our losses and open the search now

IMO, 2018-2019 should be the year where these two factions converge into one. The core of the team will be juniors, we will get the reinforcements we've been promised, and we will be rocking a brand new arena. Whether that convergence happens on number 1 or number 2 remains to be seen.

So what are our expectations going into next year? For those of us in bucket 1 - what expectations do you have that must be met for you to remain in bucket 1. Those of us in bucket 2 - what expectations do you have that, if met, would catapult you into bucket 1?

I'll begin:
22 or more total wins (before NCAAs/NIT)
In and out of Top 25 throughout the year
Top 3 BEAST finish (11 or more wins)
BEAST tourney semi-finals
Sweet Sixteen/Round of 32

If met or exceeded, I will happily be in bucket 1. If not, bucket 2.

MUClassof2039 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2018, 12:46:13 PM »

Expectations with the current players and incoming players next year will be completely different than if we add a player or two who can play immediately next year (which I expect we will)

I don't expect much more out of the team next year without adding a true PG to the roster. We lose a lot with Rowsey graduating but the improvement I expect from our existing guys plus the addition of our incoming/transfer will make up for some/most of that which puts us right where we were this year on the bubble

fjm · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2018, 12:49:06 PM »

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 21, 2018, 12:40:41 PM

The way I see it there are two factions:
1. Wojo is making great progress, the breakthrough is coming
2. Wojo will never get there, we should cut our losses and open the search now

IMO, 2018-2019 should be the year where these two factions converge into one. The core of the team will be juniors, we will get the reinforcements we've been promised, and we will be rocking a brand new arena. Whether that convergence happens on number 1 or number 2 remains to be seen.

So what are our expectations going into next year? For those of us in bucket 1 - what expectations do you have that must be met for you to remain in bucket 1. Those of us in bucket 2 - what expectations do you have that, if met, would catapult you into bucket 1?

I'll begin:
22 or more total wins (before NCAAs/NIT)
In and out of Top 25 throughout the year
Top 3 BEAST finish (11 or more wins)
BEAST tourney semi-finals
Sweet Sixteen/Round of 32

If met or exceeded, I will happily be in bucket 1. If not, bucket 2.

Great questions.
For total exposure, this year I predicted 18 wins and was HOPEFUL for an NIT tourney. Those were my expections due to the loss of some top scoring, seniors and the only decent defensive talent we had last year.

2018-2020 is Do or Die in my opinion. I won't lie when I say that I have been and still remain in the WOJO camp. (But these next two years are the years he will change minds or be job searching I believe.)

My 2018 expectations:

Similarly hard OOC schedule
21+ wins.
Top 4 in BEast (I hope top 3 but we have seen time and again how you can be a solid team and still end up 6th in the BEast due to a weird mini conference where spots 3-7 are all decided by 1 game) 10+ conference wins.
Expect a top 7 seed in the tourney.
Round of 32 or Sweet 16.

Now having said that, I would also not be surprised if we are a 5 seed and then lose in the first round because that is how the tourney goes.

DCHoopster · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2018, 12:58:20 PM »

After watching the team on D, it is obvious you can not be a big winner, with a small forward that really is a guard, Anim, who does not rebound. Add Matt who is
the worst center in the Big East, throw in 2 guards that could not guard or rebound. In saying that, it was a great year to watch O. I think they did better than I
thought. Going forward,

Matt still will play a little, weakness
Sacar has to be moved to guard, can he play it?
Theo needs to refine his game, if that happens they will be better.
Morrow, will give them an enforcer on the boards, can he shoot the ball?
Sam, surgery, an issue.
Joey, coming off foot surgery, another issue
Brendan Bailey, who knows?
Eke, surgery, did that effect his improvement?

Cain and Elliott, will improve, but see bigger improvement in two years, both need to add muscle. It might take that long.
Howard, can he play point

So there are some question marks. Offense will have to change, can any of those new players create there own shots?
Better D, yes, O no, talent there yes, need another guard

mu_hilltopper · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:02:28 PM »

I can't make a reasonable guess until I know who is going to be PG next year.

5DollarPitcher · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:06:11 PM »

PSA: This thread is not a guess as to how you think we'll do next year. This is expectations for the fifth year of Wojo's tenure based on the resources the program has at its disposal.

I only say this because we are now already making excuses for 2018-2019, and at year 5, these may go on into perpetuity.

Silkk the Shaka · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:16:49 PM »

Barring significant injuries, I expect 1 OOC loss (max 2), 11/12 conference regular season wins, 7 seed or better in NCAAs. That's minimum.

PGsHeroes32 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:22:34 PM »

Next year is the time we need to be solidly in the tourney.

Can’t put an expectation on tourney wins because who knows what our draw is.

Not expecting us to be some dominate force that can handle any match up.

Its DJOver · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:31:38 PM »

Expectation. Double digit conference wins, single digit seed, no one and done.
Prediction. Wait for a full roster and the schedule to come out.

bilsu · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:34:03 PM »

My expectations depends largely on our strength coach. In last night games even John looked undersize in the muscle department. The team needs to get significantly physically stronger. Each key player needs to get stronger and if they slack off in the weight room this summer, I can see most posters here being disappointed in next seasons results.

MU82 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:44:35 PM »

I expect us to be better than we were this season.

That's as far as I'm willing to go until I know what the roster looks like.

If I told y'all more, I'd have to kill y'all.

Badgerhater · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:47:34 PM »

Downgrade the expectation for next year but say that the year after that MU will be loaded.

This is about the third time this has happened under Wojo's watch.

FWIW, the year after never comes.

5DollarPitcher · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:54:53 PM »

Quote from: Badgerhater on March 21, 2018, 01:47:34 PM

Downgrade the expectation for next year but say that the year after that MU will be loaded.

This is about the third time this has happened under Wojo's watch.

FWIW, the year after never comes.

That's what I'm seeing too. Looks like the Wojo Kool-Aid pitcher will not empty until we finish dead last in conference.

Boozemon Barro · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:59:21 PM »

No worse than a 6 seed and a Sweet Sixteen appearance. We were pointing to next season being the year even before this season tipped. If we're anywhere near the bubble next season I'll be pissed.

5DollarPitcher · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:02:27 PM »

Quote from: Boozemon Barro on March 21, 2018, 01:59:21 PM

No worse than a 6 seed and a Sweet Sixteen appearance. We were pointing to next season being the year even before this season tipped. If we're anywhere near the bubble next season I'll be pissed.

+1

Its DJOver · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:04:21 PM »

Quote from: Boozemon Barro on March 21, 2018, 01:59:21 PM

No worse than a 6 seed and a Sweet Sixteen appearance. We were pointing to next season being the year even before this season tipped. If we're anywhere near the bubble next season I'll be pissed.

Lot of room between near the bubble and sweet sixteen. I don't think we'll be near the bubble, but you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.

Charlotte Warrior · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:05:39 PM »

Wojo, probably a really nice guy, intense, but he's no basketball whisperer. Next year we'll be about the same 5 - 8 in conference, bubble maybe - true again the following year. Hopefully we only have him through his sixth season. I wanna like him , but he's not the guy. Four years in and I'm convinced.

79Warrior · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:06:12 PM »

Lets see what the roster looks like in the fall. I would be very surprised if nobody left.

5DollarPitcher · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:07:39 PM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on March 21, 2018, 02:04:21 PM

Lot of room between near the bubble and sweet sixteen. I don't think we'll be near the bubble, but you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.

Wojo's entire tenure has been a disappointment. Aside from a couple recruiting wins and the Nova upset, this has been the most luke-warm 4+ years in MUBB recent memory. We, as fans and alumni, should really start putting pressure on the program to materialize the plan like now-ish.

Silkk the Shaka · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:09:45 PM »

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 21, 2018, 02:07:39 PM

Wojo's entire tenure has been a disappointment. Aside from a couple recruiting wins and the Nova upset, this has been the most luke-warm 4+ years in MUBB recent memory. We, as fans and alumni, should really start putting pressure on the program to materialize the plan like now-ish.

What do we want?
WINS!
When do we want them?
NOW-ISH

Its DJOver · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:14:28 PM »

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 21, 2018, 02:07:39 PM

Wojo's entire tenure has been a disappointment. Aside from a couple recruiting wins and the Nova upset, this has been the most luke-warm 4+ years in MUBB recent memory. We, as fans and alumni, should really start putting pressure on the program to materialize the plan like now-ish.

Based on your posts today you have proved that "recent memory" is "only memory" in your case. Don't feel bad, I'm in the same boat.

And if it was all disappointment, there would be no need to add the whole aside from recruiting wins and the Nova win.

If your proposal is to win now, moving away from Wojo is likely not the best option, because we'd be facing 4+ more years of luke-warm basketball.

MUClassof2039 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:16:29 PM »

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 21, 2018, 02:07:39 PM

Wojo's entire tenure has been a disappointment. Aside from a couple recruiting wins and the Nova upset, this has been the most luke-warm 4+ years in MUBB recent memory. We, as fans and alumni, should really start putting pressure on the program to materialize the plan like now-ish.

Who do you want to replace Wojo, and be realistic about who would be interested in coming to Marquette given your characterization of the current status of the program over the last 4+ years. As it has been pointed out in numerous other threads, see Pitt and their roster departures after a coaching change, getting rid of Wojo right now would set the program back significantly.

The way I look at it is this, at a certain point if Wojo is not successful a decision to pull the plug will need to be made. Taking a step back for 2-3 years to rebuild into a Top 25 program is well worth it, if things all materialize. Anytime you fire a coach you run the risk that the next hire doesn't meet the expectations of the school or in this case Scoop. I hope we don't get to the point where we accept mediocrity out of fear that something worse could happen but in turn prevent anything better from materializing.

If we get a PG for next season and don't make the tournament I think it is time to move on from Wojo. Guy can recruit talent, but if you don't turn that into wins then see yourself out. If we don't have a PG for next season I give Wojo until the 2019-2020 season to make the tournament and be near the top of the conference.

Pakuni · « **Reply #22 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:18:27 PM »

We definitely needed to derail another thread with the same five people saying they aren't on board the Wojo train.

#UnleashSean · « **Reply #23 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:24:49 PM »

Ncaa or the door.

This team can compete. It has the talent. It's missing a single piece. Wojo has had a full year to recruit that missing piece. If he doesn't land it and they end up in the nit again it's completely on him.

Get a point guard, get to the ncaa, keep your job.

DienerTime34 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2018, 02:27:18 PM »

NCAA Tournament is the minimum to keep the job, for sure.

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