Froling?

[lohaus]

If he doesn't play much next year then stick around and become a big body practice player.  Honestly, I'm happy if he doesn't see minutes next year. It means we recruited over him or someone else developed more then he did. Crap, last year people had me believing Sacar was garbage. He is progressing and improving.  The sky was falling when Cheat left. It opened up minutes for Greg and Cain to develop.  Those two make plays athletically that Cheat NEVER could make in a game.  Next year and Harry doesn't play? I am hoping it is because Theo has drastically improved and cemented his spot. He has improved throughout this season with sealing in the post, finishing with actual dunks, blocking shots, and not getting bull dogged in the post defensively.  I hope it is because Morrow becomes a double double machine.  I hope it is because Joey Hauser can come in, post up and actually finish, shoot a three and actually make them instead of watching a stiff legged Harry chuck.  I'm not a big Heldt fan.  He is what he is. If Harry can't overtake Heldt then there is a problem.  You can never have too many bigs, especially to practice.

[wisblue]

I've wondered the same thing. 

Something else is going on.  He is our best rebounder, and in a game when we need rebounds above all else, he was glued to the bench.

Honestly, Froling moving on would probably be best for both him and MU. He's going to have a hard time getting minutes next year, and if he declares that he is leaving, it would give MU another opening to add a third and fourth guard to the imbalanced roster.

[Dish]

In postgame presser:

"Any reason Froling hasn't played last two games?"

Woj: "Other guys are playing better."

[Warrior1969]

not buying it

[nyg]

Yeah, Cain played 7 minutes, 7.....

So, Elliott, Howard, Rowsey and Sacar played majority going up against much larger Depaul.  19 difference in rebounds, 19 to 6 offensive, and a 6ft 11 inch player sits on the bench and watches them get destroyed on glass.  Had to be four Depaul possessions where they got at least 3 offensive rebounds and scored. Makes sense to me, others guess just playing better.

Something is going on here, no coach is that stupid after watching what happened during the game today.

[GGGG]

not buying it

What aren't you buying?  That other guys are playing better?

[skianth16]

Yeah, Cain played 7 minutes, 7.....

So, Elliott, Howard, Rowsey and Sacar played majority going up against much larger Depaul.  19 difference in rebounds, 19 to 6 offensive, and a 6ft 11 inch player sits on the bench and watches them get destroyed on glass.  Had to be four Depaul possessions where they got at least 3 offensive rebounds and scored. Makes sense to me, others guess just playing better.

Something is going on here, no coach is that stupid after watching what happened during the game today.

Lineups today were questionable. Just didn't make a lot of sense. It's frustrating to watch these "adjustments" after playing some well recently. I don't get it.

[Nukem2]

Yeah, Cain played 7 minutes, 7.....

So, Elliott, Howard, Rowsey and Sacar played majority going up against much larger Depaul.  19 difference in rebounds, 19 to 6 offensive, and a 6ft 11 inch player sits on the bench and watches them get destroyed on glass.  Had to be four Depaul possessions where they got at least 3 offensive rebounds and scored. Makes sense to me, others guess just playing better.

Something is going on here, no coach is that stupid after watching what happened during the game today.

btw, our guards had 4 rebounds and their guards had 20........

[Warrior1969]

What aren't you buying?  That other guys are playing better?

I am not buying that it is just that the other guys are playing better are you?

Did we essentially stop recruiting Epperson to get Frooling???

[4everwarriors]

He gowne or should bee, hey?

[GGGG]

I am not buying that it is just that the other guys are playing better are you?

Did we essentially stop recruiting Epperson to get Frooling???

What else would it be?

[chapman]

Yeah, Cain played 7 minutes, 7.....

So, Elliott, Howard, Rowsey and Sacar played majority going up against much larger Depaul.  19 difference in rebounds, 19 to 6 offensive, and a 6ft 11 inch player sits on the bench and watches them get destroyed on glass.  Had to be four Depaul possessions where they got at least 3 offensive rebounds and scored. Makes sense to me, others guess just playing better.

Something is going on here, no coach is that stupid after watching what happened during the game today.

I was also puzzled.  If ever there was a time where Froling might matter it's when you're getting your butt kicked on the boards.  If he's not getting in this game, he's really been written off for the year.

[Warrior1969]

If he cannot play one minute in today's game with the way Herldt and John played (not impressive) then it is something else.  Do you think it is just the other guys are playing better yes or no?

[NickelDimer]

Don't know if Epperson/Froling was an either/or, but Epperson has 11 and 6 against Nova right now. Meanwhile Froling can't get minutes vs DePaul

[GGGG]

If he cannot play one minute in today's game with the way Herldt and John played (not impressive) then it is something else.  Do you think it is just the other guys are playing better yes or no?

Yes.  Clearly.  Harry hasn't been good at all.

[nyg]

Don't know if Epperson/Froling was an either/or, but Epperson has 11 and 6 against Nova right now. Meanwhile Froling can't get minutes vs DePaul

Exactly right. He led comeback against #3 team in country. Guess 12 points, 6 rebounds and 2 blocks. 

Yet against DePaul, another powerhouse, Harry doesn't play a minute.  Let's see, in a boot, lost weight, adjusting to BE play, blah, blah....Epperson a freshman who sat, been playing only month and a half and looks pretty darn good.  No excuses for that kid. 

[1SE]

So a wasted scholly? Great job Wojo. Glad with a top-10 college basketball budget you're able to field a grand total of 8 players of sufficient quality to see PT against DePaul in year 4 of your tenure.  You know the NCAA gives you 13 right?

[79Warrior]

Yeah, Cain played 7 minutes, 7.....

So, Elliott, Howard, Rowsey and Sacar played majority going up against much larger Depaul.  19 difference in rebounds, 19 to 6 offensive, and a 6ft 11 inch player sits on the bench and watches them get destroyed on glass.  Had to be four Depaul possessions where they got at least 3 offensive rebounds and scored. Makes sense to me, others guess just playing better.

Something is going on here, no coach is that stupid after watching what happened during the game today.

If something is going on we will know soon enough.

[Daniel]

If he cannot play one minute in today's game with the way Herldt and John played (not impressive) then it is something else.  Do you think it is just the other guys are playing better yes or no?

Well he never played great when in. Some nice moves, but three shot never really there, Defense weak etc.  he seemed very disengaged today in the timeout huddles. Standing behind and seemingly not paying attention, as Matt who was out and next to him was lean8ng in trying to hear Wojo.  Dunno. 

[GGGG]

So a wasted scholly? Great job Wojo. Glad with a top-10 college basketball budget you're able to field a grand total of 8 players of sufficient quality to see PT against DePaul in year 4 of your tenure.  You know the NCAA gives you 13 right?

Yeah cause NO OTHER TEAM plays with a 8 man rotation.

Seriously if you are going to bitch, bitch about something meaningful.  This is just dumb.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Froling has simply played his way to the back of the rotation. He got opportunities and wasn't able to take advantage of them, hence the DNPs. Nothing more, nothing less.

On Epperson, we didn't stop recruiting Epperson to get Froling. But we did stop recruiting Epperson once we got Froling. A bird on the hand is worth two in the bush type situation.

Froling has probably been the player he has been the furthest from meeting my expectations this season. I've heard he's better than this and does great in practice but it hasn't translated on the floor at all. He hasn't even been as good as he was in the 10 games he played for SMU when he was 40 lbs heavier.

I have no expectations for him the rest of the season and would expect him to be at the end of the bench next season....but I also wouldn't be shocked if he ended up being the most improved player on the team next season. I thought Sacar would be a nice role player one day but I didn't expect him to make as big of a jump as he did. Same thing could happen for Harry.

[Herman Cain]

Froling has simply played his way to the back of the rotation. He got opportunities and wasn't able to take advantage of them, hence the DNPs. Nothing more, nothing less.

On Epperson, we didn't stop recruiting Epperson to get Froling. But we did stop recruiting Epperson once we got Froling. A bird on the hand is worth two in the bush type situation.

Froling has probably been the player he has been the furthest from meeting my expectations this season. I've heard he's better than this and does great in practice but it hasn't translated on the floor at all. He hasn't even been as good as he was in the 10 games he played for SMU when he was 40 lbs heavier.

I have no expectations for him the rest of the season and would expect him to be at the end of the bench next season....but I also wouldn't be shocked if he ended up being the most improved player on the team next season. I thought Sacar would be a nice role player one day but I didn't expect him to make as big of a jump as he did. Same thing could happen for Harry.

I think it would be worth doing one of your comprehensive research reports focusing on transfers and how successful they are. There have been players who moved from lesser conferences to better conferences that have done well. However, they had very strong performances at their first team.  Recent Examples, Maurice Watson, Jr. , Andrew Rowsey and Max Struss. There have been others who transferred to a similar level because of playing time issues, in their case they did well in the limited minutes they did get, an example is Marvin Clark II . Then there are guys who did not perform at their first school and transferred to a similar level and didn't perform there. Example Austin Grandstaff. I am sure you can figure out some interesting matrix for evaluation of transfers and their performance.

[Billy Hoyle]

Wasn't the main reason he transferred out of SMU lack of pt? Is Wojo playing some kind games to get him to transfer out st end of season and open up a scholly?

He plays less here than at SMU and didn't even make it through the non conference schedule there. They knew what they had in him and showed him out the door.

If he doesn't go pro in the NBL after this season he's staying at least 2 more years.

[GGGG]

SMU didn't show him out the door.  He didn't like it there, especially when Larry Brown retired.

[Lennys Tap]

There was a lot of hype surrounding Froling this season. Early on, Jay Bilas (on multiple occasions) reminded the MU faithful that a difference making big man was waiting in the wings. I think it's fair to assume that his evaluation came right from the horse's mouth. How could Wojo be so off base? #Troubling.