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Spaniel with a Short Tail

Quote from: Tortuga94 on February 19, 2018, 09:18:57 AM
I doubt it, unless they are being extremely cautious with him, he was still on crutches yesterday not putting any weight on it.
Was at the Al yesterday for the women's Bball game, saw Markus there.

Was he wearing these?


Jay Bee

Probably trying to trick the Selection committee into thinking he can play in a tourney game. FML
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warriorchick

Definitely going to affect his sweet dance moves for awhile.
Have some patience, FFS.

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Honestly, I find it a little strange I am not more concerned about this. Howard is arguably our best player, and leading scorer, but I just feel like the remaining personnel will require this team to play zone, which is clearly a much better defensive scheme for this group of guys.  We obviously need Howard if we want to make anything of this season, but with our next three games against the bottom three teams in the conference, I feel like we can survive without him.  Hopefully Marquette can play good ball in the meantime, and makes it clear to Wojo that this team Is at its best with just one of Markus and Rowsey on the court at once.

Here is to hoping we get A+ Rowsey in the meantime.
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Quote from: mu03eng on February 19, 2018, 10:00:59 AM
I don't think it's a sign one way or the other. Could mean he can't put weight on it or that not putting weight on it will help resolve it faster.

This.

Basically, we know nothing more than he is unlikely to play Wednesday, which at least is more than we knew yesterday.

"Contusion" is now the go-to word to describe a wide range of sports injuries. Even though it is defined as a "bruise," it is used as a catch-all description of multiple injuries - and it isn't a lie because even if he dislocated his hip, he no doubt also suffered bruising.

I have seen football players miss a month or more with what have been described as "contusions." Also have seen players return later in the same game with "contusions."

So I will try not to read too much into this. I am not expecting Markus to play Wednesday, and we'll go from there.

Also agree with those hoping for a performance from Rowsey similar to his second half against Creighton and his games against Vermont, DePaul and Seton Hall. We don't need the "mad bomber" Rowsey, we need the "make everybody better" Rowsey - who also is capable of hitting a bomb or 4 if necessary.
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Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2018, 10:18:30 AM
This.

Basically, we know nothing more than he is unlikely to play Wednesday, which at least is more than we knew yesterday.

"Contusion" is now the go-to word to describe a wide range of sports injuries. Even though it is defined as a "bruise," it is used as a catch-all description of multiple injuries - and it isn't a lie because even if he dislocated his hip, he no doubt also suffered bruising.

I have seen football players miss a month or more with what have been described as "contusions." Also have seen players return later in the same game with "contusions."

So I will try not to read too much into this. I am not expecting Markus to play Wednesday, and we'll go from there.

Also agree with those hoping for a performance from Rowsey similar to his second half against Creighton and his games against Vermont, DePaul and Seton Hall. We don't need the "mad bomber" Rowsey, we need the "make everybody better" Rowsey - who also is capable of hitting a bomb or 4 if necessary.

Muscle contusions come in three grades, grade I, grade II, and grade III.  The recovery timeline for a grade I can be less than a week, and it is easy to play on.  Grade II you might play on the same day, but you shouldn't, recovery can be up to 4 weeks.  Grade III can be months. 

Same injury, different degrees of trauma to the muscle. 

mu03eng

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 19, 2018, 10:13:12 AM
Honestly, I find it a little strange I am not more concerned about this. Howard is arguably our best player, and leading scorer, but I just feel like the remaining personnel will require this team to play zone, which is clearly a much better defensive scheme for this group of guys.  We obviously need Howard if we want to make anything of this season, but with our next three games against the bottom three teams in the conference, I feel like we can survive without him.  Hopefully Marquette can play good ball in the meantime, and makes it clear to Wojo that this team Is at its best with just one of Markus and Rowsey on the court at once.

Here is to hoping we get A+ Rowsey in the meantime.

This is the silver lining I'm looking at with the Howard injury. It will finally force Wojo to accept that this team is at it's best not playing it's two bombers together and playing a 2-3 zone a lot of the time. Elliot and Cain should be getting 35+ minutes a game between the two of them.
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Quote from: wadesworld on February 19, 2018, 08:39:22 AM
This is great news.  Grind it out against SJU and find a way to win and then take your chances needing 2 wins against DePaul, Georgetown, and Creighton.

I guess that pressure Vegas was putting on the MU athletic department to give them an update on Markus before they set their line for Wednesday paid off after all.

Yes fantastic news - and good one on Vegas :-)
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Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 19, 2018, 10:13:12 AM
Honestly, I find it a little strange I am not more concerned about this. Howard is arguably our best player, and leading scorer, but I just feel like the remaining personnel will require this team to play zone, which is clearly a much better defensive scheme for this group of guys.  We obviously need Howard if we want to make anything of this season, but with our next three games against the bottom three teams in the conference, I feel like we can survive without him.  Hopefully Marquette can play good ball in the meantime, and makes it clear to Wojo that this team Is at its best with just one of Markus and Rowsey on the court at once.

Here is to hoping we get A+ Rowsey in the meantime.

Agree completely.

willie warrior

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 19, 2018, 09:20:15 AM
I think Rowsey takes the bull by the horns and goes bonkers next few games. Just need to keep him out of foul trouble.
By bonkers, does that mean 30 plus shots per game?
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Quote from: willie warrior on February 19, 2018, 10:43:37 AM
By bonkers, does that mean 30 plus shots per game?

You joke, but Marcus comes way closer to the 30 shots per game  ::)

Windyplayer

Quote from: mu03eng on February 19, 2018, 10:25:02 AM
This is the silver lining I'm looking at with the Howard injury. It will finally force Wojo to accept that this team is at it's best not playing it's two bombers together and playing a 2-3 zone a lot of the time. Elliot and Cain should be getting 35+ minutes a game between the two of them.
Yep, absolutely. I think defenses are going to start collapsing a little more with Sacar slashing (especially after last game) giving Hauser and Rowsey more looks, assuming Sacar can find them. Also excited to see the zone look for a few more games especially against SJU - let Ponds shoot 3s all day.

This team could be a heck of a lot more complete going into the BE tourney assuming Howard is back and hopefully Wojo has a better feel of how to play Markus/Howard after the latter's absence - there are times when I want them both on the floor.


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Hopefully, he heals quickly. Howard being out may hurt our offense. However, I think we are better defensively without playing two under 6' guards. Biggest problem might be foul trouble.

MUDPT

Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2018, 10:18:30 AM
This.

Basically, we know nothing more than he is unlikely to play Wednesday, which at least is more than we knew yesterday.

"Contusion" is now the go-to word to describe a wide range of sports injuries. Even though it is defined as a "bruise," it is used as a catch-all description of multiple injuries - and it isn't a lie because even if he dislocated his hip, he no doubt also suffered bruising.

I have seen football players miss a month or more with what have been described as "contusions." Also have seen players return later in the same game with "contusions."

So I will try not to read too much into this. I am not expecting Markus to play Wednesday, and we'll go from there.

Also agree with those hoping for a performance from Rowsey similar to his second half against Creighton and his games against Vermont, DePaul and Seton Hall. We don't need the "mad bomber" Rowsey, we need the "make everybody better" Rowsey - who also is capable of hitting a bomb or 4 if necessary.

If he dislocated his hip, he wouldn't be playing.  The crutches are probably for comfort.  If he's still using them, it probably really hurts to move.  This will likely be the 2012 Davante injury.  He will come back when ready, but nobody has any idea when.

GoldenZebra

As long as it we beat SJU it doesnt matter. Id rather Markus take the time to heal. I think MU can beat SJU at home without him.

4everwarriors

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Goose

Folks, there is no silver lining in MH being hurt and missing playing time. I would not be looking for a better D to overshadow the loss of leading scorer. The zone worked on Saturday, but I would not bet the farm it happening again anytime soon. Howard out is a big time loss for the team.

Class71

Quote from: #bansultan on February 19, 2018, 09:22:26 AM

We don't want Rowsey going bonkers.  We want him to play how he did in the second half at Creighton.  He got others involved.

Excellent point. We need a point guard who shares. If Rowsey does that our chances go up significantly. We know he can score but we need more team play.
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GB Warrior

I want Sam to go bonkers again. He has shown he is completely capable of taking over a game in the past, and he might just get the volume to do it while Markus is out.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Class71 on February 19, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
Excellent point. We need a point guard who shares. If Rowsey does that our chances go up significantly. We know he can score but we need more team play.

Again with the myths.  Andrew has an assist rate of 24.7% in conference (with a turnover rate of only 14.1%).  Brunson's AR is 24.3%. Both are high usage PGs.

Windyplayer

Quote from: Goose on February 19, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
Folks, there is no silver lining in MH being hurt and missing playing time. I would not be looking for a better D to overshadow the loss of leading scorer. The zone worked on Saturday, but I would not bet the farm it happening again anytime soon. Howard out is a big time loss for the team.
That's just not true. It's not preferable, but there is a silver lining evidenced solely by what occurred in the second half on Saturday. We absolutely do not win that game if Markus is still playing. And that's NOT a knock on MH - kid is a flat-out stud - but on the coaching staff. We can be a really good NIT team with Markus and Rowsey playing major/overlapping minutes. We just might be dancing if we stagger their PT with some prudent overlap.

Goose

Windy

Agree to disagree. One half of zone D does not overshadow a season of being leading scorer. I think you are a bit over jacked for only one half of zone D to judge from. My guess, is that Chris M. might be more prepared for a zone than the idiot at CU.

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Quote from: Windyplayer on February 19, 2018, 12:40:49 PM
That's just not true. It's not preferable, but there is a silver lining evidenced solely by what occurred in the second half on Saturday. We absolutely do not win that game if Markus is still playing. And that's NOT a knock on MH - kid is a flat-out stud - but on the coaching staff. We can be a really good NIT team with Markus and Rowsey playing major/overlapping minutes. We just might be dancing if we stagger their PT with some prudent overlap.


Lets just be careful in assuming that just because zone worked for one half that MU has suddenly unlocked the magic that is going to carry us into the post-season.  As Goose said, teams will adjust.

Windyplayer

Quote from: Goose on February 19, 2018, 12:43:26 PM
Windy

Agree to disagree. One half of zone D does not overshadow a season of being leading scorer. I think you are a bit over jacked for only one half of zone D to judge from. My guess, is that Chris M. might be more prepared for a zone than the idiot at CU.
You may be right. As usual, time will tell.

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