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Rowsey and Howard
« on: January 07, 2018, 04:18:48 PM »
If they could get hot at the same time that could mean a huge run in the tournament.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2018, 04:20:48 PM »
I’m more worried about getting to the Tournament this year.

I think our inability to defend and stay out of foul trouble will keep us from any kind of run if we get there. Next year and beyond I think we can start making second weekends.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 04:25:06 PM »
I’m more worried about getting to the Tournament this year.

I think our inability to defend and stay out of foul trouble will keep us from any kind of run if we get there. Next year and beyond I think we can start making second weekends.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2018, 04:31:43 PM »
Can Hauser, Howard, and Rowsey all click in the same game? Wisconsin is the only game I can remember where all three got hot

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2018, 04:44:09 PM »
If you believe Pomeroy, MU will lose four of its next five. During this stretch, MU needs a couple of players to step up besides the Big 3 and contribute (not just play) consistently. The frosh tandem seem to have some fight in their dogs.

The underclass small ball line up might offer us fans some optimism for The Dance. It gave us the best run yesterday.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2018, 04:56:24 PM »
If you believe Pomeroy, MU will lose four of its next five. During this stretch, MU needs a couple of players to step up besides the Big 3 and contribute (not just play) consistently. The frosh tandem seem to have some fight in their dogs.

The underclass small ball line up might offer us fans some optimism for The Dance. It gave us the best run yesterday.

Last season our run to The Dance began as we realized we needed to get Rowsey and Howard in the lineup together as much as possible.  This year it might come as we realize we need to stagger their minutes as much as possible.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2018, 05:00:01 PM »
Can Hauser, Howard, and Rowsey all click in the same game? Wisconsin is the only game I can remember where all three got hot

I don’t fully get this line of thinking as we have been in the 80s and 90s the past few games despite all three not being hot.  Maybe we can do 10 points better than that.  For us to beat Xavier and VUs of the world we should be praying for just a few more stops or a few less fouls (putting them on the line less)
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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2018, 05:06:29 PM »
I think we need to switch their positions. After watching the last 2 games, with Markus playing a lot of point guard, I think he is more effective running the offense.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2018, 05:08:11 PM »
I don’t fully get this line of thinking as we have been in the 80s and 90s the past few games despite all three not being hot.  Maybe we can do 10 points better than that.  For us to beat Xavier and VUs of the world we should be praying for just a few more stops or a few less fouls (putting them on the line less)

Efficiency is more important than the point total.  Yes others stepped up. Cain stepped up against Xavier, Anim & Elliott vs Nova, Howard was essentially two players vs Providence.

If the big 3 are all hot, MU just needs one good scorer or two decent ones to win. Makes winning a bit easier.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2018, 05:08:40 PM »

If you believe Pomeroy, MU will lose four of its next five. During this stretch, MU needs a couple of players to step up besides the Big 3 and contribute (not just play) consistently. The frosh tandem seem to have some fight in their dogs.

The underclass small ball line up might offer us fans some optimism for The Dance. It gave us the best run yesterday.


Agreed.  We have solid talent.  The frosh - most notably Elliott and Cain - are way ahead of where I thought they'd be right now.  Both can shoot and have shown things on D that neither Howard nor Rowsey have, so maybe we want to have two of our three best defenders (Anim, Cain and Elliott) on the court most of the time.


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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2018, 05:11:03 PM »
To me this looks like a tournament team. I’m not sure what combination of wins will get them there, but I definitely expect a bid
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2018, 05:13:51 PM »
To me this looks like a tournament team. I’m not sure what combination of wins will get them there, but I definitely expect a bid

I think the team is better than some teams that will have higher seeds than us. Our issue is the BE is so friggin tough. I legitimately think we would finish top 4 out of 14 in the B1G, but there is a chance (I expect we finish somewhere between 4-6, but a chance) that we finish 8 out of 10 in the BE. Wins are so much harder to come by in the BE than they are anywhere outside of the Big 12.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2018, 05:15:10 PM »
I’m more worried about getting to the Tournament this year.

I think our inability to defend and stay out of foul trouble will keep us from any kind of run if we get there. Next year and beyond I think we can start making second weekends.
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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2018, 05:21:33 PM »
Not allowing 90 points to opponents

No matta as long as we score more than 90 points.
Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2018, 05:34:52 PM »
I think we need to switch their positions. After watching the last 2 games, with Markus playing a lot of point guard, I think he is more effective running the offense.

Howard playing the point has been horrendous all season. He's also not as good of a shot creator as Rowsey is.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2018, 05:41:19 PM »
I don’t fully get this line of thinking as we have been in the 80s and 90s the past few games despite all three not being hot.  Maybe we can do 10 points better than that.  For us to beat Xavier and VUs of the world we should be praying for just a few more stops or a few less fouls (putting them on the line less)

Xavier we didn't get enough from them tho.

If Markus is even half way to Markus level we win
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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2018, 05:46:30 PM »
Howard playing the point has been horrendous all season. He's also not as good of a shot creator as Rowsey is.

Yeah I don't agree with your last sentence at all.

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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2018, 05:53:15 PM »
Howard playing the point has been horrendous all season. He's also not as good of a shot creator as Rowsey is.
He looked great to me scoring 52 points, many as point guard.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2018, 05:57:19 PM »
He looked great to me scoring 52 points, many as point guard.
When he is shooting as much as he is, he is not really playing point guard.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2018, 06:04:59 PM »
It seems to me he does better when he starts with the ball then coming around screens.  Neither guy is a true point guard.

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Re: Rowsey and Howard
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2018, 06:34:35 PM »
When he is shooting as much as he is, he is not really playing point guard.

You have an outdated notion of what a point guard does.

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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2018, 07:08:41 PM »
Yeah I don't agree with your last sentence at all.

Look at some of his highlights. Lots of his points come off a pass from the top of the key on spot ups. The only real move he has on ball is the crossover step back.

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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 07:13:03 PM »
I just watched the last 6 minutes, and overtime, of the Providence game and many of his points came off drives to the basket.

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 07:21:55 PM »
This is a very flawed team but it is a tournament team.  And a tournament team that none of the high seeds wants to play against to boot.  Get hot from outside and we can make some noise.

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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2018, 12:08:37 PM »
It is all about matchups, and improving our interior D.  Get matched up with a team like Kentucky or Cinci that cannot shoot to save their lives, and they'd have a real tough time keeping us with our scoring.  Problem is, those teams would just dunk and layup us to death if our D doesn't improve. 
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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2018, 12:16:52 PM »
Look at some of his highlights. Lots of his points come off a pass from the top of the key on spot ups. The only real move he has on ball is the crossover step back.

You need to re-watch the Providence game.

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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2018, 12:17:32 PM »
When he is shooting as much as he is, he is not really playing point guard.

Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook and lots of other "non-PGs" are on line #1 for you

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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2018, 01:05:16 PM »
Look at some of his highlights. Lots of his points come off a pass from the top of the key on spot ups. The only real move he has on ball is the crossover step back.

He beats guys off the dribble and gets to the hoop all the time. Far more than Rowsey. That's also shot creation.

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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2018, 01:54:40 PM »
He beats guys off the dribble and gets to the hoop all the time. Far more than Rowsey. That's also shot creation.

He gets then beat off the dribble and drive off the rotations.

Note that this isn't attacking Howard or anything. It's just there's a reason he has never been the main point guard.

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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2018, 05:55:57 PM »
It is all about matchups, and improving our interior D.  Get matched up with a team like Kentucky or Cinci that cannot shoot to save their lives, and they'd have a real tough time keeping us with our scoring.  Problem is, those teams would just dunk and layup us to death if our D doesn't improve.

I remember when we were excited about getting South Carolina in the first round for this exact same reason.  That didn't work out very well.

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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2018, 06:01:15 PM »
I remember when we were excited about getting South Carolina in the first round for this exact same reason.  That didn't work out very well.

Truth. They were also underseedsd and clearly were playing grear basketball.
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2018, 11:29:29 AM »
I’m more worried about getting to the Tournament this year.

I think our inability to defend and stay out of foul trouble will keep us from any kind of run if we get there. Next year and beyond I think we can start making second weekends.

This year will be entirely matchups, I feel. Just like last year was. Put us in a 7/10 or 8/9 matchup against a team like St. Mary's, Missouri, or Nevada and we have a good shot of winning a game. Give us Duke or Arizona State in the second round and we have a fair shot to get to the Sweet 16. Texas, Syracuse, or Tennessee in the first round and we're probably headed right back home.

Teams that play great defense, like South Carolina did last year and Purdue and WSU did this year (even Georgia) are a pain for us. Since we can't defend anyone, we make even poor offenses look good. We need a team that, like us, plays offense but is lost on defense. Hopefully next year we'll put it together on both ends.

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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2018, 11:49:03 AM »
I still think South Carolina was a good matchup for us. We have no problem scoring on good defenses. We should have been able to outscore the Gamecocks O. Unfortunately, we played a below average game and South Carolina was about to play the best four games of their season. They were a team possessed, we were a team who looked just happy to be in the tournament.
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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2018, 02:07:33 PM »
I still think South Carolina was a good matchup for us. We have no problem scoring on good defenses. We should have been able to outscore the Gamecocks O. Unfortunately, we played a below average game and South Carolina was about to play the best four games of their season. They were a team possessed, we were a team who looked just happy to be in the tournament.

Ehh, I don't know. Certainly not the case this year.

Marquette vs Top-75 kenpom defenses: 0-5
Marquette vs Sub-75 kenpom defenses: 11-0

We play a good defense, we lose. We play a bad defense, we win. So far the cut-off is actually between 60-78, as Xavier is #60 in adjusted defensive efficiency and Providence is #78. Obviously it won't be that simple as the season goes on, but we will need to buck that trend if we want to go to the Tournament. We have 10 games left against top-75 defenses.

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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2018, 02:28:06 PM »
Ehh, I don't know. Certainly not the case this year.

Marquette vs Top-75 kenpom defenses: 0-5
Marquette vs Sub-75 kenpom defenses: 11-0

We play a good defense, we lose. We play a bad defense, we win. So far the cut-off is actually between 60-78, as Xavier is #60 in adjusted defensive efficiency and Providence is #78. Obviously it won't be that simple as the season goes on, but we will need to buck that trend if we want to go to the Tournament. We have 10 games left against top-75 defenses.

Well...that's a bit of an oversimplification. 4 of those 5 losses are against teams currently ranked in the top 10 so I think its more accurate to say "When we play better teams, we lose." Purdue, Villanova, Wichita State, and Xavier all have better or equal adjusted offenses than defenses per KenPom. The only team that supports that hypothesis is Georgia, a sample size of 1.
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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2018, 02:54:16 PM »
Ehh, I don't know. Certainly not the case this year.

Marquette vs Top-75 kenpom defenses: 0-5
Marquette vs Sub-75 kenpom defenses: 11-0

We play a good defense, we lose. We play a bad defense, we win. So far the cut-off is actually between 60-78, as Xavier is #60 in adjusted defensive efficiency and Providence is #78. Obviously it won't be that simple as the season goes on, but we will need to buck that trend if we want to go to the Tournament. We have 10 games left against top-75 defenses.

Hey I recognize this talking point ;)

While I think it is pretty accurate for this season, I don't think it's retroactive. At this point in the year last season, MU had already beaten 3 top-60 defenses and lost to 2 sub-60 defense.

The reason I ascribe to the theory so earnestly this season is because the offense is so 3 dimensional this year. The Treys Amigos have scored 69% of MU's points this season. Last season, the top 3 scorers (Howard/Rowsey/Johnson) combined to score 44% of MU's points. The offense may be just as efficient this season, but I think it is much easier to stop at key moments, just because you don't have a Johnson or Fischer or Katin who can make you pay for keying in on 2 or 3 guys.

Long story short, I don't think MU will go winless against top-75 defenses the rest of the season, but I do think looking at a possible March matchup, MU would be better served facing a strong O, weak D than vice versa.   

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« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2018, 03:49:04 PM »
Can somebody pud-splain it to me?
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