Friar Thoughts

[TheyWereCones]

The first time I saw it, I didn't see a foul.  But from the under-the-basket replay, it did look like he got hit in the head.  Kind of a dumb decision for PC to even make it close enough to call.

[willie warrior]

What a game!
1. Howard for President/Emperor
2. Not much defense in this game.
3. Howard for President
4. That shot by Doogie Hauser was a dagger for Providence
5. Terrible, ugly, crappy refereering. Those refs should spend time on a stretching rack.
6. Howard for President
7. Froling is not a "difference maker." That hyperbole reminds one of Buzz describing Derek W. as the best defensive player he ever saw. Hope Froling hits a stride soon.
8. Howard for President/Emperor
9. Need to keep winning on road in BEast.

[warriorchick]

i would love to see Theo become a star

If he could get more of those monster dunks to actually go into the basket, he would be.

[GGGG]

The "and one" on MH's last drive was atrocious.  Phantom.    Thank you make up calls.

The charge that Elliott drew earlier in the second half was clearly not a charge.  Fans tend to only remember the calls that go against their team.

[tower912]

1.   An all-timer.    And he did it hitting shots that we have seen him hit before.   
2.   Remember all of the kvetching after a couple of bad games by Howard?   
3.   THIS IS A YOUNG TEAM.   THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEAKS, VALLEYS, INCONSISTENCIES.  ACCEPT THIS.   
4.   Elliot up, Cain down.    See #3.
5.  41-16 disparity.   On the road.   In conference.   
6.  In the end, give Markus his due.   Conference road wins are precious.   Embrace it.   Enjoy it. 
7.   Nova's next.   Hoping for a stomach flu virus to hit Philly right about now.   

[tower912]

The "and one" on MH's last drive was atrocious.  Phantom.    Thank you make up calls.

What game were you watching?    The replay from under the basket clearly shows MH getting hit in the head by the defender's elbow.

[MuWarrior19]

Did anyone else find themselves thankful that we "lost out" on Kalif young two years ago? Although he rebounded well, he seemed like a liability in almost every other aspect of the game.

[GGGG]

If he could get more of those monster dunks to actually go into the basket, he would be.

Or a lay up that actually gets within a foot of the basket.  The dude really looks the part until he let's go of the basketball.  I hope that aspect of the game comes to him because he could really be a player his junior and senior years.

[Markusquette]

Are there any links to video postgame interviews with Howard, Wojo, etc?

[mu03eng]

Or a lay up that actually gets within a foot of the basket.  The dude really looks the part until he let's go of the basketball.  I hope that aspect of the game comes to him because he could really be a player his junior and senior years.

I think both him and Froling are exhibiting symptoms of the game being "too fast" for them right now. I think they absolutely have the talent to compete in the Big East but they look like they are thinking too much still. Theo slammed a lay up off the back board and it missed the hoop by a foot because he seemingly couldn't believe he was so wide open and rushed it. Froling looks like he doesn't yet trust his instincts on offense and the ball kind of bogs down. I think both will be fine at seasons end.

[bilsu]

Did Hoard's current slump start when he banged his head and got 19(?) stitches?
Hauser three reminded me of a play earlier in the season after a timeout. I think it was a called play be Wojo. The other team gets sucked into guarding Rowsey and Howard and Hauser sets up to take the three.

[GB Warrior]

Did Hoard's current slump start when he banged his head and got 19(?) stitches?
Hauser three reminded me of a play earlier in the season after a timeout. I think it was a called play be Wojo. The other team gets sucked into guarding Rowsey and Howard and Hauser sets up to take the three.

I think you're right. Watch the replay, and they're not doing typical man switches on Howard - they're hawking him all the way to midcourt. They drew a line in the sand (after 52 points) that they weren't going to let Howard beat them.

[fjm]

Color me the guy who was just so frustrated with this game that with 1:40  (PC 77 - MU 71) left I turned it off to go grab dinner... theeennnn drove around in my car wasting gas for 15 min while I listened to OT! Amazing!

The D was poor last night.
The Fouls were insane amount.
Theo could have had another 4 points in the first half. Missed some bunnies.

On another note, I read a PC fan twitter thread this morning and boy were they b!tching and moaning about the "refs screwed us" calls. They were seriously complaining that they didn't get any calls and the refs missed a ton of travels on us and the carries on them were unfair.

41 to 17(foul or free throw I forget) advantage and they are pissed???

[warriorchick]

Color me the guy who was just so frustrated with this game that with 1:40  (PC 77 - MU 71) left I turned it off to go grab dinner... theeennnn drove around in my car wasting gas for 15 min while I listened to OT! Amazing!

The D was poor last night.
The Fouls were insane amount.
Theo could have had another 4 points in the first half. Missed some bunnies.

On another note, I read a PC fan twitter thread this morning and boy were they b!tching and moaning about the "refs screwed us" calls. They were seriously complaining that they didn't get any calls and the refs missed a ton of travels on us and the carries on them were unfair.

41 to 17(foul or free throw I forget) advantage and they are pissed???

With Marquette, you can never assume the game is over until the team with the ball is up by three or more scores and they have turned the shot clock off.  That goes either way.

Shame on you for your lack of faith.   

[forgetful]

The charge that Elliott drew earlier in the second half was clearly not a charge.  Fans tend to only remember the calls that go against their team.

You are 100% wrong on that not being a charge.  That exact type of play is a point of emphasis for refs this year, and the instructions for officials is that it is to always be called a charge.  The example plays used to instruct the refs on the point of emphasis is identical to that play by Elliot. 

[fjm]

With Marquette, you can never assume the game is over until the team with the ball is up by three or more scores and they have turned the shot clock off.  That goes either way.

Shame on you for your lack of faith.   

You don't even wanna know how ashamed I was...

[GGGG]

You are 100% wrong on that not being a charge.  That exact type of play is a point of emphasis for refs this year, and the instructions for officials is that it is to always be called a charge.  The example plays used to instruct the refs on the point of emphasis is identical to that play by Elliot. 

Well I disagree with you completely.  He was not set.  He moved under the guy.

I am not talking about the one where he was called for a foul later in the game.  That was disputable.  The first one was not. 

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Sam had a good defensive game.  And shutting down Lindsey shows how athletic he really is.  He needs to be significantly more aggressive offensively to help this team.  His game winning splash was the same situation he had mere minutes earlier when he passed up the wide open shot and threw the cross court pass that was stolen for the fast break going the otherway.  Sam needs to launch , hes every bit the shooter that markus n andrew are.

[BM1090]

The charge that Elliott drew earlier in the second half was clearly not a charge.  Fans tend to only remember the calls that go against their team.

I thought Markus clearly got fouled from the 2nd under the basket view. He got hit in the head.

The charge you refer to was just an awful call. No idea how they called that a charge on Cartwright.

There were also ridiculous blocking calls on Sacar (his 5th) and Heldt, and I didn't think it should have been a block on Cartwright on Elliot's three point play later on in the game. Just some baffling calls both ways.

[forgetful]

Well I disagree with you completely.  He was not set.  He moved under the guy.

I am not talking about the one where he was called for a foul later in the game.  That was disputable.  The first one was not.

You can disagree, and if this was last season you would be right, that would of been called a blocking foul. 

But the NCAA made it a point of emphasis this year that, that exact type of play should be called a player control foul or a no call.  So based on this years point of emphasis, and rule specification, the refs made the right call.  They are instructed to call that a charge. 

I'm not sure I agree with the change and point of emphasis, but that is how they are supposed to call that.  It is meant to stop players (like Cartwright in this case) from seeking contact by driving out of control towards defenders.  The defender does not have to be set, can be moving, just has to be moving in a legal guarding position.

Even with that play, it is one of only about 3 plays that I thought MU got the benefit of the doubt on.

[GGGG]

You can disagree, and if this was last season you would be right, that would of been called a blocking foul. 

But the NCAA made it a point of emphasis this year that, that exact type of play should be called a player control foul or a no call.  So based on this years point of emphasis, and rule specification, the refs made the right call.  They are instructed to call that a charge. 

I'm not sure I agree with the change and point of emphasis, but that is how they are supposed to call that.  It is meant to stop players (like Cartwright in this case) from seeking contact by driving out of control towards defenders.  The defender does not have to be set, can be moving, just has to be moving in a legal guarding position.

Even with that play, it is one of only about 3 plays that I thought MU got the benefit of the doubt on.

I think you are misinterpreting the NCAA's point of emphasis.

[forgetful]

I think you are misinterpreting the NCAA's point of emphasis.

See the rule emphasis at 2:50 and example play at 3:00, almost a carbon copy of the Elliott play.

https://youtu.be/MOC_2DknuTw

[GGGG]

See the rule emphasis at 2:50 and example play at 3:00, almost a carbon copy of the Elliott play.

https://youtu.be/MOC_2DknuTw

Again, that is more like the foul called on Elliott later in the half.  The charge I am talking about occurred earlier.  That looks nothing like that example.

[forgetful]

Again, that is more like the foul called on Elliott later in the half.  The charge I am talking about occurred earlier.  That looks nothing like that example.

The one I'm referring to is the drive by Cartwright down the freethrow lane, identical to the drive at 3:00, where Cartwright drives his shoulder into a sliding Elliott, just like the defender in the video. 

The rule emphasis is to call a charge or no call, on offense initiated contact when driving down the lane at the freethrow line extended.  Especially when they lower the shoulder (like Cartwright).

You can say it was questionable, but when it is a point of emphasis, the officials are supposed to err on the side of being consistent with the point of emphasis. Based on the rule emphasis, definitely not a bad call, more a 50:50 type call. 

Most here are not criticizing the 50:50 calls going against MU, it is the blatantly bad calls going against MU.

[WarriorDad]

As fun as that win was, we did collapse in the second half and they played without their best player.  If I am Wojo I drill it hard into their heads how fortunate we were.  At times too much standing around to watch Markus do his thing. 

Phenomenal performance by Mr. Howard.  He also has to fight the temptation to go overboard. Take what the defense gives you, don't force it because of last night's performance.