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TallTitan34

Quote from: jsglow on May 23, 2018, 04:30:43 PM
Oh, btw, the Crew is sporting the best record in their history over it first 50 games at 31-19.  Long way to go of course.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/rpi/_/sort/sos

23rd in strength of schedule.  But hey, you can only play who is on the schedule.

buckchuckler

#1001
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 23, 2018, 04:40:45 PM
http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/rpi/_/sort/sos

23rd in strength of schedule.  But hey, you can only play who is on the schedule.

Hmm.  I don't think I have ever seen anyone quote SOS as a baseball measure.

Unscientifically looking back a couple seasons, looks like this has no bearing on anything and probably doesn't mean anything at all.

TallTitan34

I believe they just go by the winning percentage of the teams you've played.

Quote from: buckchuckler on May 23, 2018, 05:16:19 PM
Unscientifically looking back a couple seasons, looks like this has no bearing on anything and probably doesn't mean anything at all.

In theory, at the end of the season you should have nearly the same SOS as everyone else in your division since everyone pretty much has the same schedule except for natural rivals.

withoutbias

Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 23, 2018, 04:40:45 PM
http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/rpi/_/sort/sos

23rd in strength of schedule.  But hey, you can only play who is on the schedule.

congratulations.

buckchuckler

#1004
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 23, 2018, 05:24:34 PM
I believe they just go by the winning percentage of the teams you've played.

In theory, at the end of the season you should have nearly the same SOS as everyone else in your division since everyone pretty much has the same schedule except for natural rivals.

Well to quote the Hawk, " Its not who you play, its when you play them" 

Also teams may not face the same pitchers.  For example the Cubs get neither Kluber or Carrasco against the Indians this week.  The Brewers may face both.  Not exactly equivalent. 

The Brewers series with the DBacks is a great example.  I have never put stock into MLB SoS, and will continue to not do so. 

And to use a 1 year 1 division terrible sample, the AL Central last year had teams that finished 2,6,18,19, 21.  Not exactly a precise grouping.  Wouldn't teams that are better naturally be closer to the bottom of this scale?

HouWarrior

Every year baseball has new statistical measures. It seems too simple but the team run differential is the number I watch the most, and w/l record next.

This year through 50 games ....my Astros dream starter crew

(see: http://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/pitching/_/name/hou/houston-astros )

has them with a team runs allowed of only 126 runs...a team era of 2.42.

Since the dead ball era of early 1900s only the 1968 Indians have been close to this. Our run differential is now plus 110...should be more but our outfielders havent been hitting very well so far

See you in the playoffs
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

jsglow

Quote from: houwarrior on May 23, 2018, 06:50:44 PM
Every year baseball has new statistical measures. It seems too simple but the team run differential is the number I watch the most, and w/l record next.

This year through 50 games ....my Astros dream starter crew

(see: http://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/pitching/_/name/hou/houston-astros )

has them with a team runs allowed of only 126 runs...a team era of 2.42.

Since the dead ball era of early 1900s only the 1968 Indians have been close to this. Our run differential is now plus 110...should be more but our outfielders havent been hitting very well so far

See you in the playoffs

Houston is damn good.

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 23, 2018, 04:40:45 PM
http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/rpi/_/sort/sos

23rd in strength of schedule.  But hey, you can only play who is on the schedule.

If only the brewers didn't lose to K-State....

buckchuckler

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 23, 2018, 08:10:27 PM
If only the brewers didn't lose to K-State....

I thought that was in the secret scrimmage!

TAMU, Knower of Ball

This is either the worst or best thread on Scoop.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


🏀

Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 23, 2018, 09:28:39 PM
This is either the worst or best thread on Scoop.

Year by year, it's the worst.

TallTitan34

Quote from: buckchuckler on May 23, 2018, 05:28:19 PM
And to use a 1 year 1 division terrible sample, the AL Central last year had teams that finished 2,6,18,19, 21.  Not exactly a precise grouping.  Wouldn't teams that are better naturally be closer to the bottom of this scale?

That's a good point. Despite everyone playing nearly the same schedule the team at the top plays everyone lower while the team at the bottom plays everyone higher.

That must be where the gaps come from.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 22, 2018, 05:00:02 PM
He can't have a change up without a fastball.
Doug Jones would like a word with you :)

"Jones announced his retirement on December 7, 2000.[1] His 303 career saves ranked 12th in major league history upon his retirement, and his 846 career appearances ranked 21st. A changeup specialist, he was known for keeping hitters off balance by throwing extremely slow pitches. He threw a two-seam fastball that topped out in the low-to-mid 80s and a knuckle curve on occasion."

I topped out at 83mph in high school.  Too bad I didn't have Doug Jones' change up.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

withoutbias

Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on May 18, 2018, 12:52:29 PM
Even with the great start, the Brewers would have to beat Arrieta in a one-game playoff if the season ended May 17.



and now the brewers would be waiting for the winner of that same phillies team and the pirates as the 1 seed in the nl.

oh and the cubs would continue to be out of the playoffs.

lotta game left.

jsglow

Quote from: WithoutBias on May 24, 2018, 12:53:41 PM
and now the brewers would be waiting for the winner of that same phillies team and the pirates as the 1 seed in the nl.

oh and the cubs would continue to be out of the playoffs.

lotta game left.

Which is why these things are dumb in May.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: jsglow on May 24, 2018, 01:16:53 PM
Which is why these things are dumb in May.
Yup.  I recall going to a Brewers-Cardinals series in St. Louis just before the AS break one year when the Crew had, I believe, a 10 game lead on the division.  They got Yosted.

One game got rained out by a MASSIVE electrical storm--it was just as well, Yovani was pitching and the Cards always had his number and he had already scored in the 1st off him--and in the other Corey Hart drilled a HR to center that hit a girl two rows up flush in chest.  It was like she didn't know to raise her hands as the ball rocketed towards her.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

buckchuckler

Quote from: TSmith34 on May 24, 2018, 01:22:05 PM
Yup.  I recall going to a Brewers-Cardinals series in St. Louis just before the AS break one year when the Crew had, I believe, a 10 game lead on the division.  They got Yosted.



You mean they won 2 straight pennants and 1 World Series?

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: buckchuckler on May 24, 2018, 01:43:00 PM
You mean they won 2 straight pennants and 1 World Series?
Sadly, unlike the Royals, they didn't have enough talent to overcome the ineptitude of Yost.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

buckchuckler

Quote from: TSmith34 on May 24, 2018, 02:59:23 PM
Sadly, unlike the Royals, they didn't have enough talent to overcome the ineptitude of Yost.

So, your contention is that they Royals were better because they were more talented.  Wow, weird.  With all that talent that the Brewers traded to the Royals to boot.  That seems like it can be blamed on Ned Yost.

The strength of that Royals team was the bullpen, which Ned Yost managed perfectly.

Pakuni

Wellington Castillo suspended 80 games for PEDs.
No doubt he got them from a certain former battery mate.
/ducks

TallTitan34

Quote from: Pakuni on May 24, 2018, 03:33:48 PM
Wellington Castillo suspended 80 games for PEDs.
No doubt he got them from a certain former battery mate.
/ducks

Nah, I don't think former Brewer Zack Greinke gave them to him.    ;)

WI inferiority Complexes

Quote from: Pakuni on May 24, 2018, 03:33:48 PM
Wellington Castillo suspended 80 games for PEDs.
No doubt he got them from a certain former battery mate.
/ducks

Chase Anderson, when they were both in Arizona?

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: buckchuckler on May 24, 2018, 03:25:15 PM
So, your contention is that they Royals were better because they were more talented.  Wow, weird.  With all that talent that the Brewers traded to the Royals to boot.  That seems like it can be blamed on Ned Yost.

The strength of that Royals team was the bullpen, which Ned Yost managed perfectly.
Well, it was a bit tongue in cheek in that I (obviously) think Yost is a horrible manager.  One thing he does well is get young guys to play hard and believe that they can win, but he is an atrocious strategic and tactical manager.

I disagree about managing the bullpen perfectly.  Yost's ironclad philosophy is that you have "a 7th inning gut", "an 8th inning guy", and a "9th inning/closer" guy, and he is going to run them out there for one inning each, in that order, no matter what the situation calls for.  Quite the opposite of the idea that you use you best guys based on match-ups and high leverage situation.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: TSmith34 on May 24, 2018, 05:21:07 PM
Yost's ironclad philosophy is that you have "a 7th inning gut", "an 8th inning guy", and a "9th inning/closer" guy,

Some people have a gut all 9 innings.  Depending on when I start tailgating, I can achieve a gut by the 3rd or 4th inning.


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