Haanif Gone

[79Warrior]

For all those trying to find a possible reason, sick uncle, lost cat, etc.  plz remember 99.99999% of transfer are related to playingtime/role. 
His roll during winning time was vanishing.  Sacar does everything haanif did but better.

Disagree. Sacar is not better at this point based on 5 games.

[CTWarrior]

Best of luck to Cheatham. I wonder if he'll sit 3 semesters to play a full season elsewhere.

This is the part I don't get.  If it was playing time related, why not finish the season, then transfer, sit out a year and then play a year.

Leaving now, one of three things has to happen.

1.  He appeals to the NCAA and somehow gets to transfer and play 1.5 seasons elsewhere.  Don't see where his appeal is, though, if it is truly the playing situation.
2.  He finds someone to give him a scholarship for next year and plays just the second semester.
3.  He sits out the balance of this season and all of next for one season of playing time.

Unless 1 is possible, isn't finishing the season here and then transferring a better option than either 2 or 3?  Or am I missing an option he has?

[onepost]

It is about the minutes and how he was used.....from his perception.

Not saying you're wrong, just saying this isn't at all what I was told.

[jsglow]

Wow.  Very sorry to see Haani leave.  Fine young man.  Hope everything is okay.  Best wishes and thanks for your contribution to #mubb.

[goldeneagle91114]

Short term:    Baptism by fire for both Elliot and Cain.   Force feed them minutes during the cupcake stretch.   No other choice.   Take the red shirt off of Eke.   Still have the option for next year if it looks like he won't play.   The team needs him now, even if it is for 3-4 minute bursts.    Start working on two-big sets, move Sam to the 3.    Practice zone.   Going to need to slow the game down on defense. 
Long term:   Start recruiting guards.   Multiple.   Assume another departure.

Assume another departure? Are you saying there is another shoe to drop? or is this just part of the "never Stop Recruiting" mantra?

[#UnleashSean]

From a basketball/playtime view this makes no sense. Even if he was upset with his role (which I doubt) theres no point in transferring in November when your a starter. Either December or June makes much more sense. I believe this truly to be family related, though I find it odd that he would be released instead of a leave of absence.

[muwarrior97]

Yep—always seems to make itself available. Never stop recruiting.

True dat

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

This is the part I don't get.  If it was playing time related, why not finish the season, then transfer, sit out a year and then play a year.

Leaving now, one of three things has to happen.

1.  He appeals to the NCAA and somehow gets to transfer and play 1.5 seasons elsewhere.  Don't see where his appeal is, though, if it is truly the playing situation.
2.  He finds someone to give him a scholarship for next year and plays just the second semester.
3.  He sits out the balance of this season and all of next for one season of playing time.

Unless 1 is possible, isn't finishing the season here and then transferring a better option than either 2 or 3?  Or am I missing an option he has?

Exactly.  He is literally burning nearly 70% of his remaining eligibility.  He doesn't have a case for a waiver.  The tea leaves say something significant must have happened, or his decision making isn't very strong. 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Not saying you're wrong, just saying this isn't at all what I was told.

Please do share.

[MUfan12]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BcAuT_oF45i/?hl=en

[Tha Hound]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BcAuT_oF45i/?hl=en

Well that clears up...nothing.

[brewcity77]

I don't think this is at all playing time related. Haanif was starting and ranked in the top four in minutes, points, and rebounds. This isn't an opportunity issue like Sandy or Dawson, it's a life issue like Juan or Deonte. Considering he just had a successful tournament where he seemed happy, I'm guessing it's something serious. Tough timing, we've got a big week coming up to be short handed.

[MUBigDance]

A class exit. We don't know all that's going on here other than face value. And that's ok.

I watched as my two sons went from boys to men, 18 to 22. life gets more complicated and maybe for Hanif other things got more important than marquette basketball. I wish for him a hopeful future...just like Todd and Sandy and John and Steve and Deonte and Traci and all those guys that didn't feel they fit for one reason or other.

[tower912]

Assume another departure? Are you saying there is another shoe to drop? or is this just part of the "never Stop Recruiting" mantra?

Never stop recruiting.  Always assume someone is leaving.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wasn't fan of the Eke redshirt. I think it made a lot more sense to redshirt him as a sophomore when we should have a lot more depth. I don't think he would get a lot of minutes but he could be run out there with Heldt/Harry, pushing Sam to the wing.

That being said, Haanie's sudden departure goes to show why if you want to redshirt a player you do it as soon as your roster allows it. I'm assuming we will have a lot of depth next season but rosters can change in the blink of an eye. Wojo knows the abilities of our players a lot better than I do. If he thinks Eke needs a year, he is probably right.

[The Lens]

I don't think this is at all playing time related. Haanif was starting and ranked in the top four in minutes, points, and rebounds. This isn't an opportunity issue like Sandy or Dawson, it's a life issue like Juan or Deonte. Considering he just had a successful tournament where he seemed happy, I'm guessing it's something serious. Tough timing, we've got a big week coming up to be short handed.

With nothing to go on but my gut, I think Haanif wanted to be the man.  He was given a lot of opportunity as a freshman (remember him as a PG over Traci), was thought to take over as a soph, came back and worked this summer to be the man as a junior and realized out in Hawaii, that he was not nor will he ever be the man at Marquette.

[Clam Crowder]

Never stop recruiting.  Always assume someone is leaving.

Based on anything or just riling up the Scoopers?

[dw3dw3dw3]

Already followed a coach from UGA. That was quick.

https://twitter.com/CoachJonas

Looks like a coach he was familiar with during recruiting. http://www.givengobasketball.com/narrowing-down-lists

[NotAnAlum]

Maybe its non-basketball But Wojo has now had several of these early season transfers and I can't help but he has got to have a role in it continuing to happen.  Similar to Traci last year.  While it was true that there were guys emerging that would have pushed him down the depth chart (Markus  and Rowsey) Traci still could have been valuable last year.  It almost seems like Wojo has 2 views on his players.  A. You are good, getting better and you're valuable or B. You're not getting better, we have someone else now who is, Good Bye.  A team needs 4 year seniors even if by then they are role players.  I remember Chapman was a limited role player by the time he was a senior but he stayed on the roster and played a valuable role.  Guys should be encouraged to stay with the team at least through the current basketball season.
I have no inside information.  But midseason departures for reasons other than discipline or grades are not the norm at most programs.  There certainly seems to be a trend and this time it can't be blamed on "we he wasn't a guy Wojo recruited, you have to expect that". 

[Clam Crowder]

Maybe its non-basketball But Wojo has now had several of these early season transfers and I can't help but he has got to have a role in it continuing to happen.  Similar to Traci last year.  While it was true that there were guys emerging that would have pushed him down the depth chart (Markus  and Rowsey) Traci still could have been valuable last year.  It almost seems like Wojo has 2 views on his players.  A. You are good, getting better and you're valuable or B. You're not getting better, we have someone else now who is, Good Bye.  A team needs 4 year seniors even if by then they are role players.  I remember Chapman was a limited role player by the time he was a senior but he stayed on the roster and played a valuable role.  Guys should be encouraged to stay with the team at least through the current basketball season.
I have no inside information.  But midseason departures for reasons other than discipline or grades are not the norm at most programs.  There certainly seems to be a trend and this time it can't be blamed on "we he wasn't a guy Wojo recruited, you have to expect that".

The way college hoops (particulary transfers) worked 10 years ago is now how it works today...Transfers ARE going to happen. Every.Single.Year....

[TallTitan34]

Maybe its non-basketball But Wojo has now had several of these early season transfers and I can't help but he has got to have a role in it continuing to happen.  Similar to Traci last year.  While it was true that there were guys emerging that would have pushed him down the depth chart (Markus  and Rowsey) Traci still could have been valuable last year.  It almost seems like Wojo has 2 views on his players.  A. You are good, getting better and you're valuable or B. You're not getting better, we have someone else now who is, Good Bye.  A team needs 4 year seniors even if by then they are role players.  I remember Chapman was a limited role player by the time he was a senior but he stayed on the roster and played a valuable role.  Guys should be encouraged to stay with the team at least through the current basketball season.
I have no inside information.  But midseason departures for reasons other than discipline or grades are not the norm at most programs.  There certainly seems to be a trend and this time it can't be blamed on "we he wasn't a guy Wojo recruited, you have to expect that".

A lot of wrong in here.

[tower912]

Not trying to rile anyone.  Looking objectively at the nature of college basketball where 40% of all players transfer, it is imperative to never stop recruiting and only prudent to assume there will be transfers.

[MattyWarrior]

Two years with 1 senior, HC was so good as a frosh, I loved his game but I felt he was a little
homesick and is a Florida kid, so will we ever know why he left?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Maybe its non-basketball But Wojo has now had several of these early season transfers and I can't help but he has got to have a role in it continuing to happen.  Similar to Traci last year.  While it was true that there were guys emerging that would have pushed him down the depth chart (Markus  and Rowsey) Traci still could have been valuable last year.  It almost seems like Wojo has 2 views on his players.  A. You are good, getting better and you're valuable or B. You're not getting better, we have someone else now who is, Good Bye.  A team needs 4 year seniors even if by then they are role players.  I remember Chapman was a limited role player by the time he was a senior but he stayed on the roster and played a valuable role.  Guys should be encouraged to stay with the team at least through the current basketball season.
I have no inside information.  But midseason departures for reasons other than discipline or grades are not the norm at most programs.  There certainly seems to be a trend and this time it can't be blamed on "we he wasn't a guy Wojo recruited, you have to expect that". 

I don't agree with everything here but I'll admit that I am concerned about this trend. 5 midseason transfers in 4 years is way above the norm. I wouldn't be surprised to learn if we led D1 with that number. It's hard to build a successful program with that kind of turnover.

Oddly, HC is the 4th midseason transfer from the Big East this season. There have only been 14 announced so far. 4/14 from one conference is surprising.

[Goose]

Tower

Rest assured, you did not rile this Scooper.