Excellent article on state of Georgetown

[Eye]

Why? I am sure the other six schools would disagree. Sure MU, Gtown and Nova are the only schools to win a National Championship, but Xavier and Butler have had stellar success the past 10-15 years.

Peak of the old Big East was the mid 80s when SJU, Gtown and nova were all national-level good in major media markets. MU has more of a national basketball name than the remaining crew (DePaul once again is a lost cause until further notice).

[real chili 83]

Say what you want about Larry Williams, but he was instrumental in putting Georgetown in its place in the beginning.

That was well done on his part.  He was otherwise a trainwreck.  Just the wrong job for him.

[jsglow]

That was well done on his part.  He was otherwise a trainwreck.  Just the wrong job for him.

Larry's a corporate attorney by trade.  That negotiation skill set and his ability to bring a large 'deal' together was his greatest attribute.  As others have said, he was less skilled at other aspects of his job but was perhaps the most significant player in the creation of the NBE.  This is not hyperbole and the deal surely wouldn't have happened without other like minded individuals, but his ability to guide the key players through the process was critical in the endeavor.  #mubb fans should forever appreciate that effort. 

[GGGG]

1. This article gives Georgetown too much credit for the formation of the new big east. My understanding is that they were trying to angle into the ACC as a non football member.

2. Rick leaving Marquette was best for both parties. Both need to break from their past.

[Galway Eagle]

Peak of the old Big East was the mid 80s when SJU, Gtown and nova were all national-level good in major media markets. MU has more of a national basketball name than the remaining crew (DePaul once again is a lost cause until further notice).

Wait that was the peak of the big east? 05-13 has 9 final fours with 2 championships. Not to mention getting 11 teams into the tournament sort of disagrees.  That era was the peak for gtown and SJU without a doubt but not sure I agree that it was the peak of the big east

[jsglow]

1. This article gives Georgetown too much credit for the formation of the new big east. My understanding is that they were trying to angle into the ACC as a non football member.

2. Rick leaving Marquette was best for both parties. Both need to break from their past.

Yes to both.

[dgies9156]

This should not have been included in your post.  The Guthridge move was perfect.  Thought of as temporary, retained the players and went to two final fours.  No one thought he was the perm option but a bridge to the next coach and it out of the way quickly.

The Doherty hire on the other hand....

Agree to disagree on Guthridge. Bill Guthridge was their Hank Raymonds. A tremendous "X's and "O"s guy but he could not recruit. From everything I read about him, he had the same level of class Hank did, which was more in his pinky than most people have in their entire body.

Both were fine men who just simply were not ready to be head coaches and recruit at what many in here call the "elite" level of college basketball. Coach Guthridge won primarily with Coach Smith's team and Coach Raymonds won with Coach McGuire's teams.

Now Doherty on the other hand was their Majerus. Both had ties to the program and neither was ready yet to take command of a program with aspirations of gaining and maintaining elite level status.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Larry's a corporate attorney by trade.  That negotiation skill set and his ability to bring a large 'deal' together was his greatest attribute.  As others have said, he was less skilled at other aspects of his job but was perhaps the most significant player in the creation of the NBE.  This is not hyperbole and the deal surely wouldn't have happened without other like minded individuals, but his ability to guide the key players through the process was critical in the endeavor.  #mubb fans should forever appreciate that effort.

Your kidding right?  Its not like it was the oppenheimer project!  Smh

[BossplayaOtto]

Wait that was the peak of the big east? 05-13 has 9 final fours with 2 championships. Not to mention getting 11 teams into the tournament sort of disagrees.  That era was the peak for gtown and SJU without a doubt but not sure I agree that it was the peak of the big east

04-13 was certainly an impressive time for the BE and IMO the 2011 BE was the strongest conference top-to-bottom in history, (& since MU was involved for much of it, my favorite era) but regarding the peak of the BE, in 1984 and 1985 the Big East had back-to-back champs and 4 F4 teams including a record 3 F4 teams and both semifinalists in 85.

Stated differently, one-third of the conference (3 of 9 teams) made the F4 in 1985.

The BE added 3 additional National finalists in 82, 87 & 89.

So from 82-89, 7 F4 teams, 2 national champions along with 4 runners up. Two-thirds of the conference (6 out of 9) made the F4 during that period and 5 different programs made the championship game.

Both eras are impressive but 1985 seems to be the peak of the BE with 2011 the peak of the “modern” era.

[Avenue Commons]

Is there another program that has a more over inflated view of their program than Georgetown?

“One would have been reluctant to named any school other than Georgetown University as the standard bearer of the new, yet old Big East conference heading into March of that season.”

How about a team that made 10/12 NCAA appearances, and shared that big east title that year? That had a 2 sweet 16s, an elite 8 and final 4

Georgetown made 9/13 NCAA appearances during the 2001-2013 stretch. 2 sweet 16s and a final 4

Villanova made 8/9 during a 2005-2013 stretch. A sweet 16 elite 8 and final 4

But in Georgetown’s eyes they were head and shoulders above the rest of the league going into the new BE. Can’t stand their fans like that one guy who predicted a 3 seed on here and then disappeared in shame at the end of the season.

Georgetown is one of the great brand names in all of college sports. They are in the nation's capital and one of the biggest media markets (Baltimore/DC). Two of the greatest players of the last 30 years (AI and Ewing) are alumns along with good to great players like Jeff Green and Dikembe Mutumobo. In relation to us, they are also the crown jewel among Jesuit schools. Perhaps inarguably the "best" Catholic college/university in the nation. They may be in a down cycle, but Georgetown was and is a top program and the Big East is lucky to have retained GTown. If I remember correctly, there was talk of the Hoyas maybe not going along with the rest of the Catholic 7. Bottom line is the Big East is light years better with Georgetown in the league.

[naginiF]

I still think if Dwayne Johnson would have stayed eligible the Rick MU story may have had a different ending.

If he still has eligibility we need to make space for him #BEastReadyBody/#unbelievableNeck/#greatfamily

[GGGG]

Your kidding right?  Its not like it was the oppenheimer project!  Smh

WTF is the Oppenheimer Project?

Lol. Your idiocy knows no bounds.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

WTF is the Oppenheimer Project?

Lol. Your idiocy knows no bounds.

Lol
Manhattan project.

Jsglow giving over dramatic props to an individual being involved with 6 other like minded institutions that really have only 1 option is even more idiotic tho.  They then picked the three institutions that everyone and their brother had assumed and mentuoned they would.  Yes the new BE has turned out well but its not like they did anything revolutionary or differnet from the assumption that they would do. Lastly,  im not sure Williams involvement was any more than 1/7th of the ads efforts.

[Eldon]

Georgetown is one of the great brand names in all of college sports. They are in the nation's capital and one of the biggest media markets (Baltimore/DC). Two of the greatest players of the last 30 years (AI and Ewing) are alumns along with good to great players like Jeff Green and Dikembe Mutumobo. In relation to us, they are also the crown jewel among Jesuit schools. Perhaps inarguably the "best" Catholic college/university in the nation. They may be in a down cycle, but Georgetown was and is a top program and the Big East is lucky to have retained GTown. If I remember correctly, there was talk of the Hoyas maybe not going along with the rest of the Catholic 7. Bottom line is the Big East is light years better with Georgetown in the league.

Yup

Remember that this banner was at a GTown game:



Looking at it again, I just realized that the Georgetown dude is front and center.

[jsglow]

Lol
Manhattan project.

Jsglow giving over dramatic props to an individual being involved with 6 other like minded institutions that really have only 1 option is even more idiotic tho.  They then picked the three institutions that everyone and their brother had assumed and mentuoned they would.  Yes the new BE has turned out well but its not like they did anything revolutionary or differnet from the assumption that they would do. Lastly,  im not sure Williams involvement was any more than 1/7th of the ads efforts.

I was there in real time. Like minded? Ha. Not to start this discussion but watch the Senate work on tax cuts why doncha. It was very difficult.  Georgetown was an opposing force for a long time.  And Larry was critical to the process and ultimate success.  Those are simply facts. Sorry it doesn't fit some preconceived notions about it you might hold. Have an awesome day!