3 UCLA Players arrested in China

[GGGG]

The U.S. should do nothing for those 3 idiots.

WTF is wrong with you?  It is a stated task of the State Department to provide such services on behalf of US citizens.

https://do.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/arrest-of-a-u-s-citizen/general-information-assistance-u-s-citizens-arrested-abroad/

"One of the most essential tasks of the Department of State and of U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to U.S. citizens incarcerated abroad. The State Department is committed to ensuring fair and humane treatment for U.S. citizens imprisoned overseas. We stand ready to assist incarcerated citizens and their families within the limits of our authority, in accordance with international law. We can and do monitor conditions in foreign prisons and immediately protest allegations of abuse against U.S. citizen prisoners. We work with prison officials to ensure treatment consistent with internationally recognized standards of human rights and to ensure that U.S. citizens are afforded due process under local laws."

[TedBaxter]

What is wrong with me Sultan?  I expect people to abide by the laws in this country and especially if they are going overseas.  These numbnuts stole stuff in a foreign country.  Screw them. 

This country is letting this crap go on without penalty and these basketball players are always looking for handouts.  They get paid a stipend to go to school and received free travel to China and they do this? 

Nope, not going to defend them.

[GGGG]

What is wrong with me Sultan?  I expect people to abide by the laws in this country and especially if they are going overseas.  These numbnuts stole stuff in a foreign country.  Screw them. 

This country is letting this crap go on without penalty and these basketball players are always looking for handouts.  They get paid a stipend to go to school and received free travel to China and they do this? 

Nope, not going to defend them.

I'm not defending them.  I am saying that the US State Department should provide assistance and advocate for them if the situations arises.  That is something they earn as citizens of this country.  It is something that countries have been doing on behalf of its citizens pretty much since countries existed.

So yeah, wtf is wrong with you?

[Loose Cannon]

Another face of the "Ugly American"

[TedBaxter]

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[79Warrior]

What is wrong with me Sultan?  I expect people to abide by the laws in this country and especially if they are going overseas.  These numbnuts stole stuff in a foreign country.  Screw them. 

This country is letting this crap go on without penalty and these basketball players are always looking for handouts.  They get paid a stipend to go to school and received free travel to China and they do this? 

Nope, not going to defend them.

Just curious, do you know for a fact they stole? I have no idea what the story is for sure, but just in case it's BS isn't it a good idea to have State help?

[GoldenDieners32]

Big Ballers only steal.

[GoldenDieners32]

Liangelo should get used to staying in china, he'll be playing there after college

[StillAWarrior]

Have you seen LiAngelo's new signature shoe?




/Shamelessly stolen from another message board.

[GooooMarquette]

I'm not defending them.  I am saying that the US State Department should provide assistance and advocate for them if the situations arises.  That is something they earn as citizens of this country.  It is something that countries have been doing on behalf of its citizens pretty much since countries existed.

So yeah, wtf is wrong with you?

The section you quoted only spoke about monitoring prison conditions to ensure that they are treated humanely.  It said nothing about getting them off the hook for their offenses.

[GGGG]

The section you quoted only spoke about monitoring prison conditions to ensure that they are treated humanely.  It said nothing about getting them off the hook for their offenses.

Where did I say they should be let off the hook?

I was specifically responding to Ted:  "The U.S. should do nothing for those 3 idiots."

[jsglow]

What is wrong with me Sultan?  I expect people to abide by the laws in this country and especially if they are going overseas.  These numbnuts stole stuff in a foreign country.  Screw them. 

This country is letting this crap go on without penalty and these basketball players are always looking for handouts.  They get paid a stipend to go to school and received free travel to China and they do this? 

Nope, not going to defend them.

Nobody's defending them.  And the State Department isn't going to end diplomatic relations with China or ask the Prez to get involved over a minor disagreement in sentencing.  Fair trial?  Sure.  Don't draw and quarter the young men? Sure.  Difference between a year of Chinese jail time vs. going home with a wrist slap? Nope, not going to say a peep.  And shouldn't. 

Now you can bet that the Ball family attorney will be screaming for it.  But that's his job.  So don't get sucked in.  Which is not to say that the Chinese might simply decide to kick them all out of the country immediately.  But that's a political decision on their part that they are more than capable of making. 

And if you look at the language Sultan posted, that pretty much captures it. So let's go all have a beer!

[GooooMarquette]

Where did I say they should be let off the hook?

I was specifically responding to Ted:  "The U.S. should do nothing for those 3 idiots."

Earlier you said:

"The U.S. should be working to free any citizen that is facing conditions that 4everCrean detailed for a crime as minor as shoplifting."

That sure sounds like letting them off the hook....

[Spotcheck Billy]

One thing's for sure... LiAngelo just closed the door on his best basketball-playing opportunity post-UCLA.

Lost in all of this is the obvious question: Why the hell are GT and UCLA playing a game in China?

I have read that apparently PAC-12 schools have been busy cultivating a following in China in recent years.

[GGGG]

Earlier you said:

"The U.S. should be working to free any citizen that is facing conditions that 4everCrean detailed for a crime as minor as shoplifting."

That sure sounds like letting them off the hook....

OK.  I meant "free" from those specific conditions.  Not free them from all repercussions of their activity.  Sorry for not expressing that as well as I should have.

[GB Warrior]

I'm surprised Lavar hasn't called for diplomatic immunity

[jsglow]

I'm surprised Lavar hasn't called for diplomatic immunity

Lavar has been ball-gagged and thrown into his lawyers basement like the gimp.

[bilsu]

Please follow the conversation.  Of course China has the right do enforce its laws and its penalties.

What I am saying is that the potential penalties are overly harsh, and therefore the United State should advocate for leniency.

I bet with over 3 times as many people, China has less crime than the U.S. does.

[MomofMUltiples]

I bet with over 3 times as many people, China has less crime than the U.S. does.

My eldest son, who has lived and worked there for eight years, confirms your bet.

[GGGG]

I bet with over 3 times as many people, China has less crime than the U.S. does.

And?

[Pakuni]

I bet with over 3 times as many people, China has less crime than the U.S. does.

Also, less economic, political and social freedom.
And guns, obviously.

[Herman Cain]

WTF is wrong with you?  It is a stated task of the State Department to provide such services on behalf of US citizens.

https://do.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/arrest-of-a-u-s-citizen/general-information-assistance-u-s-citizens-arrested-abroad/

"One of the most essential tasks of the Department of State and of U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to U.S. citizens incarcerated abroad. The State Department is committed to ensuring fair and humane treatment for U.S. citizens imprisoned overseas. We stand ready to assist incarcerated citizens and their families within the limits of our authority, in accordance with international law. We can and do monitor conditions in foreign prisons and immediately protest allegations of abuse against U.S. citizen prisoners. We work with prison officials to ensure treatment consistent with internationally recognized standards of human rights and to ensure that U.S. citizens are afforded due process under local laws."

I am glad the Department of State is there to provide these services to US Citizens. These young men deserve due process especially in light of their celebrity status.

[GB Warrior]

I am glad the Department of State is there to provide these services to US Citizens. These young men deserve due process especially in light of their celebrity status.

[MU82]

Tough situation for these young men. They need to get Trump on their side to make the deal to get out.  Otherwise they are in for a world of hurt.

I am sure our dear leader will quickly intercede on their behalf.

It's not as if they did something truly heinous ... like take a knee during the national anthem.

[warriorchick]

I am sure our dear leader will quickly intercede on their behalf.

It's not as if they did something truly heinous ... like take a knee during the national anthem.

I can only imagine what would happen in China if someone took a knee during their national anthem.  Probably wind up with the same fate as this dude.