What if Marquette is somehow implicated?

[Goose]

Only thing Wojo would need to be concerned about is assistants doing things without his knowledge. Kind of like the Hank era, as previously noted.

[mug644]

I don't expect MU to get (too) caught up in this, as it seems to involved sure-fire NBA-caliber players, and we just haven't had those types often or lately.

That said, it won't surprise me if it is revealed that the entire system is jaded and virtually all programs have one degree of corrupt activities or another.

It would feel a bit like the steriods-era in baseball or in cycling. Truth is, so many people were/are doing it that throwing any one person under the bus becomes nearly meaningless.

It's the lying and hypocrisy that drove me crazy as the scope of steroids in those sports came out...and in the same light that Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Lance Armstrong and others have forever lost my respect (not necessarily because they used steroids but that they lied so sanctimoniously about it), Pitino and any others who have consistently and vehemently denied the corruption will be lost to me.

I'll be sad if MU is caught up in it, and I'll want Wojo held responsible if it's happening under his watch, but I'll only be totally devastated if he denies, denies, denies and then the truth comes out.

[4everwarriors]

Kinda like Braun, den, hey?

[Loose Cannon]

In a broad brush sense, this is probably true. I would say most coaches are not big time cheaters.

Yeah, its really a Broad brush.  I wish Posters (in their opinions) would place %parameters on like Lightweight, Medium, and Heavyweight Cheaters. To me it would give me someone of what the Posters are thinking.

[bilsu]

It would make me think we are the worst cheaters in sports

We cheated to have Juan Anderson log major minutes?

Juan got suspended for 3 games, because a fan took him to a Brewer game. This struck me as harsh given the other things that go on.

[StillAWarrior]

I'd be really disappointed if Marquette got implicated in this.  I'd like to think that they operate a pretty clean program, and I hope that I don't read news reports to the contrary over the next couple months/years.  Depending on the severity, I think I'd likely remain a fan.

[dgies9156]

Again, I'll note what I have said before -- I hope the worst is over.

I just can't believe we're going to get caught in this. Our players haven't been THAT good for a long time. Our NBA guys in large measure were jucos or four-stars. As someone said, the only five-star we had in recent years was Henry. The Hillbilly was a jerk but it's doubtful he cheated at MU. What did he get -- Vander Blue? If you're gonna cheat, you better do a lot better than a four-star.

If Buzz cheated, he would have bought himself a guard after Vander turned pro!

As to the allegation that Al cheated, the university was so cheap in those days that I doubt it. You didn't have to cheat if you were Wooden, Al, Dean Smith or Coach K today. Kids were going to the NBA. Period.

[Goose]

dgies

Wooden was sneaky slick. He was not #1 for a decade by accident,

[DCHoopster]

Again, I'll note what I have said before -- I hope the worst is over.

I just can't believe we're going to get caught in this. Our players haven't been THAT good for a long time. Our NBA guys in large measure were jucos or four-stars. As someone said, the only five-star we had in recent years was Henry. The Hillbilly was a jerk but it's doubtful he cheated at MU. What did he get -- Vander Blue? If you're gonna cheat, you better do a lot better than a four-star.

If Buzz cheated, he would have bought himself a guard after Vander turned pro!

As to the allegation that Al cheated, the university was so cheap in those days that I doubt it. You didn't have to cheat if you were Wooden, Al, Dean Smith or Coach K today. Kids were going to the NBA. Period.

You think the university gave the recruits money, I agree there they did not.  Al had a very good friend that has a ranch in Wyoming, lets just say the guy is loaded,
really loaded with no family or wife.  UCLA had Sam Gilbert.  George and Dean were taken care of, not sure, after that.  Once you can promise kids they can get to the
NBA there really is no reason to do that anymore.

[GWSwarrior]

While I think Wojo is clean he has done some shady sh*t in recruiting, (e.g. Henry and Wally). 

I don't believe we will be implicated but if we are implicated the program will deserve whatever punishment it gets.  I will then support those who are left and not implicated and those who help to rebuild the program.

[hdog1017]

It would make me think we are the worst cheaters in sports

We cheated to have Juan Anderson log major minutes?

Juan Anderson might have been the worst player in the history of college basketball

[Pakuni]

Juan Anderson might have been the worst player in the history of college basketball

This might have been the worst post in the history of Scoop.

[amen426]

In our recent history I can think of two "great recruiters" in the assistant coach ranks. Isaac Chew and Stan Johnson.

Dan Dakich was on Russilo on the lunch hour today, and said that probably 100 programs have some sort of " elite recruiter" on their coaching staff that helps do this type of dirty work. He brought a few good examples from a decade ago when he was in Indiana with Kelvin Sampson. Sampson wanted to bring on an assistant coach that had a history of cheating - and the university squashed it. So Sampson ended up bringing on another assistant who was very "like minded", without the poor national reputation. At the end of the day, Sampson wasn't necessarily seeing everything that was going on. But he brought those coaches in for the same reason - to win recruits under the current college basketball recruiting landscape. Whatever that means.

There is some insulation between the Head Coach and the Assistants -- but at the end of the day, the HC knows what is going on, and is responsible for what takes place.

Almost every major program targets assistants like this, and Marquette is no different. Isaac Chew seems like an obvious one. Stan Johnson seems like such a stand up guy, and he's still at Marquette so I'd love to put on rose colored glasses and assume that he is completely legit. But in a landscape where you have to cheat to get big time recruits, it's hard to believe that he can bring Markus Howard and Brendan Bailey to Marquette without any corners being cut.

With that being said -- I think Marquette is much cleaner under the Wojo administration than under Buzz. So if Wojo and his staff are "cheating", than I would guess that Duke, and every program in the top 100 is doing the same.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

What a pathetic string, none more pathetic than the original post that brings up the pure speculation, it does no good and hurts the univeristy and the program. 

Other possible topics? 

What if al mcguire aided and abbetted Jefferey Dahmer.

What if Fr. Wild ran a child porn ring.

Cause you know things like that are happening so we MU might be involved.

Ur an fin pathetic dude, tower.  And others that have chimed in pretty pathetic too

[warriorchick]

What a pathetic string, none more pathetic than the original post that brings up the pure speculation, it does no good and hurts the univeristy and the program. 

Other possible topics? 

What if al mcguire aided and abbetted Jefferey Dahmer.

What if Fr. Wild ran a child porn ring.

Cause you know things like that are happening so we MU might be involved.

Ur an fin pathetic dude, tower.  And others that have chimed in pretty pathetic too

Okay, who are you and how did you get Sand-Knit's password?

[tower912]

He continues to think I am a big meanie.  Luke is gone and he needs to lash out at somebody new.

[Autoengineer]

Again, I'll note what I have said before -- I hope the worst is over.

I just can't believe we're going to get caught in this. ...

Are you a member of one of those Russian troll groups inciting discourse and chaos I've heard about? 

[GGGG]

Almost every major program targets assistants like this, and Marquette is no different. Isaac Chew seems like an obvious one. Stan Johnson seems like such a stand up guy, and he's still at Marquette so I'd love to put on rose colored glasses and assume that he is completely legit. But in a landscape where you have to cheat to get big time recruits, it's hard to believe that he can bring Markus Howard and Brendan Bailey to Marquette without any corners being cut.

Really?  I'm not saying it's 100% not happening, but what corners need to be cut to bring Markus Howard and Brendan Bailey to MU?  They aren't one and done types.

[marquette20]

Really?  I'm not saying it's 100% not happening, but what corners need to be cut to bring Markus Howard and Brendan Bailey to MU?  They aren't one and done types.

Markus and Brendan choosing Marquette had more to deal with the previous relationship that Stan had with the family. My understanding is that Stan and Thurl have known each other for a long time.

[GGGG]

Markus and Brendan choosing Marquette had more to deal with the previous relationship that Stan had with the family. My understanding is that Stan and Thurl have known each other for a long time.

Exactly. 

[MuMark]

Really?  I'm not saying it's 100% not happening, but what corners need to be cut to bring Markus Howard and Brendan Bailey to MU?  They aren't one and done types.

Plus 1......really stupid logic. Stan built a relationship with the families of both players.....that happens all the time.

Are the fans of every program now going to assume that every 4 star recruit they have gotten over the years was paid? I.mean seriously......

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

He continues to think I am a big meanie.  Luke is gone and he needs to lash out at somebody new.

No i just think your a total loser for bringing this type of speculation into the marquette community.

[dgies9156]

4ever

Do you remember Bo driving the convertible Caddy Eldorado on campus during summer of '77?

I believe it was a Thunderbird and the summer of 1977 would be OK, since he had graduated.

I think it was the year before when was stopped by the Milwaukee Police for a misdemeanor, for which he apologized to the student body.

[Smokin' Jae]

College basketball recruiting has always been dirty and we haven't been immune from it. From what I remember hearing back in the day, Al paid a hefty price for Dean meminger, probably far more than 100k when you factor in inflation

[martyconlonontherun]

I am very confident Wojo being a 1st time coach would not risk his down the road goals.  He is at a point in his career where he cannot afford to get pinched.

Wouldn't that make him more likely to cheat? A ton of borderline mlb players get caught with steroids trying to make it. Woj needs to win now because if he fails he probably won't get another big time job any time soon.