What if Marquette is somehow implicated?

[mug644]

College basketball recruiting has always been dirty and we haven't been immune from it. From what I remember hearing back in the day, Al paid a hefty price for Dean meminger, probably far more than 100k when you factor in inflation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_RYIylWEp4

[wadesworld]

Anyone who think only the sure-fire lottery, one and done recruits have benefited from shoe brand affiliation on the AAU circuit might want to take a look at the bridge I have up for sale. I don't know that any of our former or current players or recruits have received cash "gifts" or had trip expenses or gear paid for, but those who say, "well all our guys are 4 stars so we don't have anything to worry about," while maybe true for this specific case, being a 4 star instead of 5 means very little.

[MUDPT]

Didn't Buzz do some alumni event in LA where he basically said that you have to cut corners to win?  Or am I just imaging it?

[Eldon]

Didn't Buzz do some alumni event in LA where he basically said that you have to cut corners to win?  Or am I just imaging it?

No.  He said that you need to sweep corners in order to win.

[Lennys Tap]

If Marquette is "implicated" (caught, for lack of a better word) reactions will range from denial to people renouncing their fandom. In between those reactions will range from "meh, everybody does it, let's get better at it", to "who do we bring in to clean up this mess?".

If we're not "implicated", reactions will range from holier than thou, "we're better than the rest" to "whew, we dodged that bullet".

And until this blows over, lots of people will pretend to know what Al, Hank, Rick, Dukiet, KO, Deane, Crean, Buzz and Wojo did or didn't do.

[Bocephys]

If Marquette is "implicated" (caught, for lack of a better word) reactions will range from denial to people renouncing their fandom. In between those reactions will range from "meh, everybody does it, let's get better at it", to "who do we bring in to clean up this mess?".

If we're not "implicated", reactions will range from holier than thou, "we're better than the rest" to "whew, we dodged that bullet".

And until this blows over, lots of people will pretend to know what Al, Hank, Rick, Dukiet, KO, Deane, Crean, Buzz and Wojo did or didn't do.

And everyone within all ranges of that spectrum will return to their normally scheduled fandom the second we start winning games.

[Galway Eagle]

If Marquette is "implicated" (caught, for lack of a better word) reactions will range from denial to people renouncing their fandom. In between those reactions will range from "meh, everybody does it, let's get better at it", to "who do we bring in to clean up this mess?".

If we're not "implicated", reactions will range from holier than thou, "we're better than the rest" to "whew, we dodged that bullet".

And until this blows over, lots of people will pretend to know what Al, Hank, Rick, Dukiet, KO, Deane, Crean, Buzz and Wojo did or didn't do.

So you're saying that Hickey and Nagle are clean? That counts for something!

[muwarrior69]

It would make me think we are the worst cheaters in sports

We cheated to have Juan Anderson log major minutes?

He did get free Brewer tickets.

[WarriorFan]

When you're close to something where there's some foul play there are always people who know and it's very possible for things to happen for a long time and even on a large scale before the whistle is blown.  Look at some of the corporate corruption scandals.  The folks who lost business knew they lost to dirty play, but it's just not worth it to do something... but they know who and what and how. 

I'd be reasonably confident it's the same in the world of basketball.  Those on the inside know who and what and how.  If I'm recruiting a new head coach, I know to make sure either
a) he knows how it works if I don't care and want a national championship
b) he's clean as a whistle. 

I'm reasonably certain the current administration of MU would have done deep deep background on Wojo and all of his assistants and went for option b.

[Lennys Tap]

I'd be reasonably confident it's the same in the world of basketball.  Those on the inside know who and what and how.  If I'm recruiting a new head coach, I know to make sure either
a) he knows how it works if I don't care and want a national championship
b) he's clean as a whistle. 

I'm reasonably certain the current administration of MU would have done deep deep background on Wojo and all of his assistants and went for option b.

I think you're making a false assumption when you opine that a coach is either a) willing to do whatever it takes - buy players, AAU coaches, etc., to win a championship or b) "clean as a whistle".

I'm reasonably certain that relatively few D1 coaches dive into the swamp but it's suicide to avoid it altogether because it's where most of the good players are.

[naginiF]

When you're close to something where there's some foul play there are always people who know and it's very possible for things to happen for a long time and even on a large scale before the whistle is blown.  Look at some of the corporate corruption scandals.  The folks who lost business knew they lost to dirty play, but it's just not worth it to do something... but they know who and what and how. 

I'd be reasonably confident it's the same in the world of basketball.  Those on the inside know who and what and how.  If I'm recruiting a new head coach, I know to make sure either
a) he knows how it works if I don't care and want a national championship
b) he's clean as a whistle. 

I'm reasonably certain the current administration of MU would have done deep deep background on Wojo and all of his assistants and went for option b.

You are selling Wojo short - 0% chance he didn't have this covered in the power point

[Dr. Blackheart]

He did get free Brewer tickets.

His friend's father invited Juan and his son to join him at a game where he had an extra suite ticket for a playoff game. That ranks up there with cream cheese on a free bagel equaling an impermissible (at the time) meal.

The three game ban was a joke.

[GB Warrior]

We paid up for Henry by paying tuition, room and board for Wally.

[real chili 83]

Only thing Wojo would need to be concerned about is assistants doing things without his knowledge. Kind of like the Hank era, as previously noted.

To be blunt, Doc's recruitment was "dirty"?

[Tugg Speedman]

When you're close to something where there's some foul play there are always people who know and it's very possible for things to happen for a long time and even on a large scale before the whistle is blown.  Look at some of the corporate corruption scandals.  The folks who lost business knew they lost to dirty play, but it's just not worth it to do something... but they know who and what and how. 

I'd be reasonably confident it's the same in the world of basketball.  Those on the inside know who and what and how.  If I'm recruiting a new head coach, I know to make sure either
a) he knows how it works if I don't care and want a national championship
b) he's clean as a whistle. 

I'm reasonably certain the current administration of MU would have done deep deep background on Wojo and all of his assistants and went for option b.

How come MU is capable of "deep deep background" on cheating by the NCAA is not?

Maybe MU's administration should run the NCAA investigative division?

[Silkk the Shaka]

We paid up for Henry by paying tuition, room and board for Wally.

Legit LOL

[muwarrior69]

His friend's father invited Juan and his son to join him at a game where he had an extra suite ticket for a playoff game. That ranks up there with cream cheese on a free bagel equaling an impermissible (at the time) meal.

The three game ban was a joke.

My comment was a joke as well. My freshman year '65 there were a lot of free Brave tickets available as that was their final season in Milwaukee. Damn I wish they would have gotten into the World Series that year, probably could have gotten tickets right behind the dugout.

[The Lens]

Look, only Chicos can judge.  Everything else is just speculation.

[Oldgym]

Look, only Chicos can judge.  Everything else is just speculation.

Yes, until 4or5years have gone by.

[Benny B]

How come MU is capable of "deep deep background" on cheating by the NCAA is not?

Maybe MU's administration should run the NCAA investigative division?

Because MU's administration's "investigators" or whatever answer to only one organization: Marquette University.  The NCAA answers to the University of North Carolina, amongst others.


[Damn, we're on fire with the tar heel hate here, yo.  Wojo must be turning us into the Duke of the Midwest.]

[Eldon]

How come MU is capable of "deep deep background" on cheating by the NCAA is not?

Maybe MU's administration should run the NCAA investigative division?

Wojo went through "extreme vetting." 

I probably shouldn't reveal this on a message board, but my friends inside the Al (Vander's tutor being one of them) said that Wojo was waterboarded in the Old Gym.  On multiple occasions.  The dude is clean.

[fjm]

"A clear conscience is a great pillow"
-- Wojo, 2017

[TheGym]

Wojo went through "extreme vetting." 

I probably shouldn't reveal this on a message board, but my friends inside the Al (Vander's tutor being one of them) said that Wojo was waterboarded in the Old Gym.  On multiple occasions.  The dude is clean.

Probably part the the ROTC training program.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Wojo went through "extreme vetting." 

I probably shouldn't reveal this on a message board, but my friends inside the Al (Vander's tutor being one of them) said that Wojo was waterboarded in the Old Gym.  On multiple occasions.  The dude is clean.

Heard he was also forced to march to Jimmy John's in a full metal walking boot

[Newsdreams]

To be blunt, Doc's recruitment was "dirty"?

Heard there was a towel involved.