Dekker

[Lennys Tap]

Until today, I did not know that there were different definitions of "starter".
I always thought a starter was.......a starter. They say ya learn something everyday.

In "The World According to Tamu" our starters last year were Sam, Katin, Luke, JJJ and Cheatham. Markus (6th in minutes) doesn't make the cut.

SC was a good player. If he would have been happy being a 15 minute a game specialist he could have helped MU. Starter minutes wouldn't have been available to him, though, so he made the right choice to go to MU West.

[Jay Bee]

Until today, I did not know that there were different definitions of "starter".
I always thought a starter was.......a starter. They say ya learn something everyday.

This happens a lot when people try to argue with me. New definitions... glad to be able to bring out such creativity. SMH

[warriorchick]

I can't go for that.

You're out of touch.

[Galway Eagle]

Didn't someone random often start over Crowder? Or Gardner? In retrospect nobody considers that player a starter because he didn't play starter minutes and essentially was there because our main guy would pick up early fouls. I think TAMU is working from that perspective.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Starters no matta.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Until today, I did not know that there were different definitions of "starter".
I always thought a starter was.......a starter. They say ya learn something everyday.

If you can think of shorthand term for "player who was top five on his team in minutes played" I'd be happy to use it. I used to say "played starter level minutes" but even that is clunky.

Starting no matta....see Williams, Erik.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This happens a lot when people try to argue with me. New definitions... glad to be able to bring out such creativity. SMH

Fair enough, but even by your definition SC was a starter 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

In "The World According to Tamu" our starters last year were Sam, Katin, Luke, JJJ and Cheatham. Markus (6th in minutes) doesn't make the cut.

Makes Markus' scoring all the more impressive doesn't it?

And according to the traditional definition of starter, every scholarship player besides Sandy Cohen was a starer last season. Seems kind of meaningless to me.

SC was a good player. If he would have been happy being a 15 minute a game specialist he could have helped MU. Starter minutes wouldn't have been available to him, though, so he made the right choice to go to MU West.

Which sounds exactly like how this conversation started.

[brewcity77]

Maybe it's just me, but does any program's athletes have more of a complex after graduation than UW's seem to have about Marquette? Both Frank and Dekker take swipes at Marquette every chance they get. One tweet online is enough to get them induced into an hours-long tweet storm of bitterness and angst. Is that a product of their coach, their fans, or just fragile personalities?

I just don't get why they choose to always engage and troll these things. I don't see that from other professional athletes all that much. Maybe the occasional jab, but it usually ends with that. Frank and Sam, on the other hand, are hypertrolls. If they weren't still playing, I imagine they'd be on these message boards as much as we are, posting anti-MU rants with the same frequency as Erik the Red and bbfran combined.

[cheebs09]

Didn't someone random often start over Crowder? Or Gardner? In retrospect nobody considers that player a starter because he didn't play starter minutes and essentially was there because our main guy would pick up early fouls. I think TAMU is working from that perspective.

TAMU mentioned him but wasn't in answering your question. It was Erik Williams. There was someone else too. I want to say Juan filled that role. Otule always started for the jump ball and would be subbed out quickly.

[Loose Cannon]

Until today, I did not know that there were different definitions of "starter".
I always thought a starter was.......a starter. They say ya learn something everyday.

Yep Starters and Alternators.

[Jay Bee]

Fair enough, but even by your definition SC was a starter 

Nope. You said he was an "immediate starter". He was a bench guy until conf play.

"Immediate starter" to a reasonable person would mean a guy who started from day 1. That isn't the fact pattern here

[Nukem2]

In the end, I suspect we can all agree that Scott was a solid contributor at ISU.......

[Bocephys]

Maybe it's just me, but does any program's athletes have more of a complex after graduation than UW's seem to have about Marquette? Both Frank and Dekker take swipes at Marquette every chance they get. One tweet online is enough to get them induced into an hours-long tweet storm of bitterness and angst. Is that a product of their coach, their fans, or just fragile personalities?

I just don't get why they choose to always engage and troll these things. I don't see that from other professional athletes all that much. Maybe the occasional jab, but it usually ends with that. Frank and Sam, on the other hand, are hypertrolls. If they weren't still playing, I imagine they'd be on these message boards as much as we are, posting anti-MU rants with the same frequency as Erik the Red and bbfran combined.

The irony of posting that on this forum two days after said tweet...

[brewcity77]

The irony of posting that on this forum two days after said tweet...

I think you missed my point. I expect fans to act in that way. Fans are more prone to the immature, reactionary type response that leads to threads like this. For us, Marquette/UW is something that continues every year. Every time we play, every recruiting battle we get involved in, every tournament we use as a measuring stick, it's constant. There are Marquette fans on some of our websites that seem to talk about Wisconsin almost as much as they do Marquette and there are definitely Wisconsin fans on the Badger boards that talk about Marquette more than they do Wisconsin. That's the nature of a rivalry and fandom.

But how often do the athletes get caught up in it? Athletes specifically, with their own pro careers to worry about? And when they do, how often does it carry over to years and years after their college careers are over? When's the last time Jae, Jimmy, or Wade got to bashing Wisconsin on social media? Sure, there was the jab from Wes Matthews at the 100th, but that was a private event. Do ex UNC/Duke guys go out of their way to bash the other schools on social media? Does the UK/Louisville rivalry continue over Twitter years after the fact?

Maybe I'm ignorant to it because this is the rivalry I tend to focus on, but it seems like most of these guys are wise enough to not play the petty fan game after their college career is over.

[GGGG]

I think Bocephys is right.  They know they can get a rise out of the Marquette fanbase and do it intentionally.

[Bocephys]

I think you missed my point. I expect fans to act in that way. Fans are more prone to the immature, reactionary type response that leads to threads like this. For us, Marquette/UW is something that continues every year. Every time we play, every recruiting battle we get involved in, every tournament we use as a measuring stick, it's constant. There are Marquette fans on some of our websites that seem to talk about Wisconsin almost as much as they do Marquette and there are definitely Wisconsin fans on the Badger boards that talk about Marquette more than they do Wisconsin. That's the nature of a rivalry and fandom.

But how often do the athletes get caught up in it? Athletes specifically, with their own pro careers to worry about? And when they do, how often does it carry over to years and years after their college careers are over? When's the last time Jae, Jimmy, or Wade got to bashing Wisconsin on social media? Sure, there was the jab from Wes Matthews at the 100th, but that was a private event. Do ex UNC/Duke guys go out of their way to bash the other schools on social media? Does the UK/Louisville rivalry continue over Twitter years after the fact?

Maybe I'm ignorant to it because this is the rivalry I tend to focus on, but it seems like most of these guys are wise enough to not play the petty fan game after their college career is over.

When we stop acting like children in response, we can chide them for provoking.

[We R Final Four]

If you can think of shorthand term for "player who was top five on his team in minutes played" I'd be happy to use it. I used to say "played starter level minutes" but even that is clunky.

Starting no matta....see Williams, Erik.

I've got one...........a non-starter. Short and sweet.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I've got one...........a non-starter. Short and sweet.

So Cam Marotta was one of the top 5 minute getters on the team last season? Because I know he was a non-starter. In fact, he, Deon Franklin, and Sandy Cohen were the only non-starters last season.

[mu03eng]

Is this the most Scoop in the summer thread or the mostest Scoop in the summer thread?

[brewcity77]

When we stop acting like children in response, we can chide them for provoking.

UW fans are the same and go nuts, but you don't see Marquette players provoking. The point is that I can't think of any other group of players so motivated to provoke.

[We R Final Four]

So Cam Marotta was one of the top 5 minute getters on the team last season? Because I know he was a non-starter. In fact, he, Deon Franklin, and Sandy Cohen were the only non-starters last season.

Scott C was not an immediate starter at ISU, as you said. He did not start immediately. You can attempt to redefine starter all you wish, but SC was not an immediate starter as you said.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Is this the most Scoop in the summer thread or the mostest Scoop in the summer thread?

You know this all your fault Eng. We haven't had the meme tournament to distract us this summer

[Dawson Rental]

I've got one...........a non-starter. Short and sweet.

Short and sweet.....but deceptive.  Everyone's got an opinion, TAMUs got a good argument for his.  Can we agree to disagree?  Can we all just get along?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Scott C was not an immediate starter at ISU, as you said. He did not start immediately. You can attempt to redefine starter all you wish, but SC was not an immediate starter as you said.

I'm not getting into another definitions fight with you. Starter to me means the 5 players who play "starter level minutes." I know what I meant and I stand by it. If you don't like it:



I don't know why we do this on Scoop constantly. We pick out individual tiny details of each other's arguments that we disagree with and focus on those, instead of focusing on the actual argument that all (or at least most of us) agree with. I'm guilty of it too. The argument I made in this case was that SC could have been a nice player for us but Buzz didn't think he matched our play style and both sides were probably better for it. Jay Bee has agreed with this, Lenny has agreed with this despite both disagreeing with my assertion that SC was an immediate starter for IAST. I think most people agree with the main argument. Why waste time writing repeated posts about vocabulary? Jay Bee challenged it, which made sense. I explained what I meant. He acknowledged we had different definitions but agreed with main argument. That could have easily been the entire conversation. What's the point of repeatedly asserting that someone else is wrong about a small detail when that person has already explained what they meant and isn't going to change their mind? Can we get scoop points for getting someone else to admit they were wrong on the internet?

Short and sweet.....but deceptive.  Everyone's got an opinion, TAMUs got a good argument for his.  Can we agree to disagree?  Can we all just get along?

Amen brother 4everC.

With that, I'll get off my soapbox.