Utah nurse arrested

[jesmu84]

http://www.fox10tv.com/story/36268986/nurse-arrested-after-refusing-cops-order-to-draw-blood-from-unconscious-patient?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=meredithHub

Not all cops do bad things. Cops doing improper things does make it tougher for other cops to do their jobs well. It also makes it harder for communities/societies to buy into their involvement.

Not sure what the proper outcome here should be.

Good on the nurse for doing the right thing.

[🏀]

Those the the actions of a cop used to getting his way, his time has passed.

[jsglow]

Yep. He's in big trouble and was waaaaaaaay out of bounds.  My charge nurse daughter had this up on FB in about a nanosecond yesterday.  That nurse's rules were very clear and not subject to negotiation without a proper court order.

[MUBurrow]

Kudos to her. May she sue the police department and win all the money.

[reinko]

Kudos to her. May she sue the police department and win all the money.

Wouldn't the greater good be police departments learning their boundaries and not doing things like these in the future?

[forgetful]

Any other person in America would have been arrested for assault and unlawful detainment.  The cop in this case was not arrested, was not fired and is still getting paid.

That is why people have issues with police.  In cases where a clear abuse of power occurs they should be treated like any other civilian and charged with crimes immediately.  If they would do so, a lot of distrust in police would vanish.  These actions are used to justify distrust.

[MUBurrow]

Wouldn't the greater good be police departments learning their boundaries and not doing things like these in the future?

Totally. And that's exactly why I hope she wins a monster judgment. There's no way this is an oops or an isolated incident. For every instance as grotesquely unambiguous and publicized at this, how many have there been involving that officer and department in the past that didn't have this perfect storm of publicity and real-time video footage? The punishment for this type of stuff, multiplied by the likelihood of being found out, has to be severe enough for to deter the conduct in the future - and the only language that works is $$$.

[GB Warrior]

My wife is in nursing leadership and she was very disturbed by this. The hospital policies and police laws are very clear. Good for her for knowing them and doing the right thing. I'm not sure why no security or other personnel were there to support her.

She will get a monster judgement.

[wadesworld]

Would be in the department's best interest to settle this quickly outside of court. And to fire the officer after the internal investigation.

[GooooMarquette]

She's gonna get some money, and he should lose his job post haste.  This wasn't some impulsive, split-second decision gone bad; he was clearly trying to intimidate her, and then got aggressive when she didn't play along.  Inexcusable.

[rocket surgeon]

Any other person in America would have been arrested for assault and unlawful detainment.  The cop in this case was not arrested, was not fired and is still getting paid.

That is why people have issues with police.  In cases where a clear abuse of power occurs they should be treated like any other civilian and charged with crimes immediately.  If they would do so, a lot of distrust in police would vanish.  These actions are used to justify distrust.

i'm a little surprised this cop hasn't been, at a bare minimum, suspended with/without pay.  i don't know how due process works within the public sector, but this happened at the end of july!  now that it has hit social media, watch how fast "something" happens

just tripped over this-

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/02/utah-cop-put-on-leave-after-bodycam-video-shows-him-cuffing-nurse-for-refusing-to-draw-blood-on-unconscious-patient.html

i'm sure there will be more to come

[mu_hilltopper]

She will get a monster judgement.

One call, that's all.   She'll be able to buy a new hospital.

[Herman Cain]

The nurse did the right thing.

[Benny B]

The answer is simple... get rid of those who protect and defend bad cops.  Male police officers liable for their own "malpractice" insurance or whatever, i.e. make them pay for their own defense.

[rocket surgeon]

One call, that's all.   She'll be able to buy a new hospital.

tax payer subsidized too, ein'er?

[jesmu84]

She has stated that she doesn't want to pursue legal action as long as corrective action is taken by his department. Noble choice.

Of course, if legal action is taken, seems likely any monetary judgement would be paid for by the taxpayers, right?

[real chili 83]

She has stated that she doesn't want to pursue legal action as long as corrective action is taken by his department. Noble choice.

Of course, if legal action is taken, seems likely any monetary judgement would be paid for by the taxpayers, right?

Curious, what is her actual loss?

[GGGG]

You can sue for wrongful arrest. 

[Pakuni]

Curious, what is her actual loss?

She can file a civil rights claims for false arrest and excessive force against the arresting officer, and failure to intervene against the officers who stood by and let it happen. Her actual losses could include mental suffering and deprivation of rights.
Of course, in a case like this the punitive damages would likely outweigh the compensatory damages.

[B. McBannerson]

The answer is simple... get rid of those who protect and defend bad cops.  Male police officers liable for their own "malpractice" insurance or whatever, i.e. make them pay for their own defense.

You're abdicating getting rid of a public sector union.   This is part of what unions do, protect all membership, good and bad.

[Lennys Tap]

If the cop and his boss lose their jobs, great.

If the case serves as a cautionary tale to police forces everywhere, even better.

Whether it should be a winning lottery ticket for the nurse is another matter. I'd argue "no" and to her credit the nurse seems to agree.

[Pakuni]

Whether it should be a winning lottery ticket for the nurse is another matter. I'd argue "no" and to her credit the nurse seems to agree.

Where does reasonable compensation for an injustice end and "winning lottery ticket" begin?

[B. McBannerson]

Wouldn't the greater good be police departments learning their boundaries and not doing things like these in the future?

Most do, but whenever you have individuals involved they sometimes go overboard.  Look at some of the school teachers involved with ANTIFA in Berkeley.  We can isolate individuals and extrapolate to broader organizations but often the small tail wagging the dog.  If Salt Lake City policing was an issue, it will come out, but more likely one cop who got agitated and went way overboard. He will pay the price ultimately, once they go through investigation.

Someone earlier upset that he is being paid, that's collectively bargained for as part of the union agreement.

[rocket surgeon]

anyone understand why this cop was so adamant about getting a blood draw?  if he doesn't know the law, regardless of the abuse he put the nurse through, he should not be a cop.  other than being a power-hungry d!ck head, me thinks not very bright is the easy answer.  this isn't like a little oopsie-doopsie, having a bad day thing

[jsglow]

I'm sure one of our attorney friends can say more but the imposition of a financial penalty on the department and the officer is intended to alter behavior going forward.  Isn't that the intended objective?  One could argue that the officer actually committed a crime and should face criminal prosecution.  Not sure that's necessarily appropriate in the same way cops inb the field mitigate situations where no formal charge becomes necessary.