NFC North / NFL Thread 2017-18

[MU82]

Running full speed and launching the crown of your helmet into the earhole of another guy that is running full speed towards you but doesn't have any view of you is 100x more dangerous than launching your shoulder into a guy already on the ground stationary.

Both are dirty.  If one is going to cause serious long term damage to a human being it is absolutely Davis's hit on Adams.

Only 100x? Why not 1 million times?

Davis' hit was dirty and uncalled for, and he should have been suspended. I'm not going to try to justify it.

To refresh my memory, I just watched the replay of the Gronk play. The Buffalo player, White, had intercepted the pass and was laying, face-down, out of bounds. The play was over for 3 full seconds. Gronk took a running start, launched his 265-pound body at White, and finished his dirty hit with a forearm shiver to the back of White's head, which bounced off the turf like a soccer ball.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/07/tredavious-white-rob-gronkowski-hit-suspension-patriots-bills

Said the guy on the NFL Network: "That's savage, right there."

I'm not going to claim it was 100x worse than the Thomas Davis hit - because I don't know how to compare the two (and neither do you) - but it was awful and, IMHO, deserved a multiple-game suspension.

[MerrittsMustache]

Running full speed and launching the crown of your helmet into the earhole of another guy that is running full speed towards you but doesn't have any view of you is 100x more dangerous than launching your shoulder into a guy already on the ground stationary.

Both are dirty.  If one is going to cause serious long term damage to a human being it is absolutely Davis's hit on Adams.

Pretty much everything that happens in football is dangerous. The Davis hit was illegal but it was in the course of the action and wasn't even an illegal play a few years ago. Nothing about the Gronk play was anywhere close to legal and never has been.

[wadesworld]

Only 100x? Why not 1 million times?

Davis' hit was dirty and uncalled for, and he should have been suspended. I'm not going to try to justify it.

To refresh my memory, I just watched the replay of the Gronk play. The Buffalo player, White, had intercepted the pass and was laying, face-down, out of bounds. The play was over for 3 full seconds. Gronk took a running start, launched his 265-pound body at White, and finished his dirty hit with a forearm shiver to the back of White's head, which bounced off the turf like a soccer ball.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/07/tredavious-white-rob-gronkowski-hit-suspension-patriots-bills

Said the guy on the NFL Network: "That's savage, right there."

I'm not going to claim it was 100x worse than the Thomas Davis hit - because I don't know how to compare the two (and neither do you) - but it was awful and, IMHO, deserved a multiple-game suspension.

More dangerous. Not worse or more savage or with more intent behind it. But it absolutely, positively was infinitely more dangerous. Even if it was entirely accidental, it would've still be way more dangerous.

In one play, you have one player taking a dive and hitting a guy's head that is laying still on the ground with his shoulder.  No doubt the intent was awful, but the worst case scenario was "just" a concussion, which is what happened. Of course that's awful, but his life wasn't going to be taken on that field.

In the other play you have 2 giant men running full speed towards each other. One sees the other, lowers the crown of his helmet, and launches himself as hard as he can into the other person's earhole. Extremely unlikely Adams dies on the field, but that kind of force to the head could have done that. Adams is incredibly lucky it's "just" his second concussion in a few months and incredibly lucky he actually got up from that hit.

In terms of actual danger, one was way, way worse, and it wasn't Gronk's hit.

[MU82]

More dangerous. Not worse or more savage or with more intent behind it. But it absolutely, positively was infinitely more dangerous. Even if it was entirely accidental, it would've still be way more dangerous.

In one play, you have one player taking a dive and hitting a guy's head that is laying still on the ground with his shoulder.  No doubt the intent was awful, but the worst case scenario was "just" a concussion, which is what happened. Of course that's awful, but his life wasn't going to be taken on that field.

In the other play you have 2 giant men running full speed towards each other. One sees the other, lowers the crown of his helmet, and launches himself as hard as he can into the other person's earhole. Extremely unlikely Adams dies on the field, but that kind of force to the head could have done that. Adams is incredibly lucky it's "just" his second concussion in a few months and incredibly lucky he actually got up from that hit.

In terms of actual danger, one was way, way worse, and it wasn't Gronk's hit.

You're entitled to your opinion. I happen to disagree, as do many others. I'm sure others agree with you. They're just opinions.

As for the worst-case scenario on Gronk's hit, White had his own opinion: "He could have broke my neck."

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/07/tredavious-white-rob-gronkowski-hit-suspension-patriots-bills

[wadesworld]

Pretty much everything that happens in football is dangerous. The Davis hit was illegal but it was in the course of the action and wasn't even an illegal play a few years ago. Nothing about the Gronk play was anywhere close to legal and never has been.

I don't care what was once legal. Thankfully we're becoming more aware of what kind of danger players are being put in with that kind of hit. It's not legal nor should it ever have been legal.

I would guess if you showed every doctor in America the 2 plays and asked them which one they think is more dangerous to the human that is being hit 99.99% of the answers would be the hit to Adams without any hesitation.

[mu03eng]

The Davis hit unquestionably had more force involved then the Gronk hit....i can run the equations if you'd like

[MU82]

The Davis hit unquestionably had more force involved then the Gronk hit....i can run the equations if you'd like

You don't have to. wades already gave everybody a money-back guarantee!

[wadesworld]

You don't have to. wades already gave everybody a money-back guarantee!

Aka "I don't want to KNOW I'm wrong, I just want to keep that doubt out there so I can say wades doesn't know what he's talking about."

I'm totally fine with eng not doing anything to prove what I said. There is no doubt whatsoever which hit was more dangerous and could do more damage.

[Spotcheck Billy]

More dangerous. Not worse or more savage or with more intent behind it. But it absolutely, positively was infinitely more dangerous. Even if it was entirely accidental, it would've still be way more dangerous.

In one play, you have one player taking a dive and hitting a guy's head that is laying still on the ground with his shoulder.  No doubt the intent was awful, but the worst case scenario was "just" a concussion, which is what happened. Of course that's awful, but his life wasn't going to be taken on that field.

In the other play you have 2 giant men running full speed towards each other. One sees the other, lowers the crown of his helmet, and launches himself as hard as he can into the other person's earhole. Extremely unlikely Adams dies on the field, but that kind of force to the head could have done that. Adams is incredibly lucky it's "just" his second concussion in a few months and incredibly lucky he actually got up from that hit.

In terms of actual danger, one was way, way worse, and it wasn't Gronk's hit.

Wasn't Adams practically standing still?

[wadesworld]

Wasn't Adams practically standing still?

No.  He was running towards the defender that was sprinting full speed at him and launching the crown of his helmet into his earhole.

[MerrittsMustache]

I don't care what was once legal. Thankfully we're becoming more aware of what kind of danger players are being put in with that kind of hit. It's not legal nor should it ever have been legal.

I would guess if you showed every doctor in America the 2 plays and asked them which one they think is more dangerous to the human that is being hit 99.99% of the answers would be the hit to Adams without any hesitation.

[GGGG]

https://sports.yahoo.com/sean-diddy-combs-serious-buying-carolina-panthers-colin-kaepernick-playing-big-role-plans-193513977.html

"Combs declared Sunday that he hoped to purchase an NFL team shortly after Panthers owner Jerry Richardson announced he would be putting his controlling share of the franchise up for sale. Kaepernick echoed Combs' interest Sunday and began moving forward with plans this week. According to a source close to the quarterback, Kaepernick has already begun reaching out to a handful of business leaders, venture capitalists and sports icons to discuss an ownership group."

I would laugh my a$$ off if this actually happens...

[4everwarriors]

Must bee xmas. Actually agree with Meshuggeneh. Snowball in fookin' hell's got a betta shot, ai na?

[MerrittsMustache]

https://sports.yahoo.com/sean-diddy-combs-serious-buying-carolina-panthers-colin-kaepernick-playing-big-role-plans-193513977.html

"Combs declared Sunday that he hoped to purchase an NFL team shortly after Panthers owner Jerry Richardson announced he would be putting his controlling share of the franchise up for sale. Kaepernick echoed Combs' interest Sunday and began moving forward with plans this week. According to a source close to the quarterback, Kaepernick has already begun reaching out to a handful of business leaders, venture capitalists and sports icons to discuss an ownership group."

I would laugh my a$$ off if this actually happens...

Would the owners actually approve of the sale though?

[4everwarriors]

Just as soon as Scoop jumps all over Kate Upton, hey?

[GGGG]

Would the owners actually approve of the sale though?

Oh God no. 

[MU82]

No.  He was running towards the defender that was sprinting full speed at him and launching the crown of his helmet into his earhole.

I was gonna point this out, too, but I didn't really want to go point-by-point with you.

I just now watched the replay 5x. Adams was going nowhere near full speed. He had slowed considerably and was starting to head the other direction. And as he angled for position, he actually was juking a little. He obviously didn't see Davis, who was going full speed or close to it.

You don't need to exaggerate to make your point. Davis was suspended. He deserved to be.

You still have "proven" nothing. We each have an opinion. I respect yours.

[jesmu84]

The hit:



Personally, I would rate gronks as worse for 2 reasons: after the whistle and malicious intent.

Who could have been injured worse? Likely Adams.

[#UnleashSean]

The hit:



Personally, I would rate gronks as worse for 2 reasons: after the whistle and malicious intent.

Who could have been injured worse? Likely Adams.

Davis's hit was more vicious, but it was during a live play on a player who was still actively participating. Had Adams turned more up field like he should have for a tackle, the block would have been less illegal (but still completely savage)

Gronk's on the other hand was after the whistle, on a player on the ground. Gronk clearly was looking to cause injury. His could have easily been seen as assault.

[MU82]

Correct. Davis' was a football play. A dirty, crappy, vicious football play, but it actually involved something related to the action on the field.

Gronk was just pissed long after the play was over, and he decided to assault another player.

[wadesworld]

Davis's hit was far, far more dangerous.

[naginiF]

So 50% chance it was the Vikings getting screwed on something out of their control and 50% chance it's he Vikings screwing themselves. I'd say like 95% chance Vikings screwing themselves ans 5% chance of the Vikings getting screwed.

Here's a little seed to plant in the head of Vikings fans. Right now you're looking at Goff, Keanum, and Wentz quarterbacking the top 3 seeds in the NFC. Let's say the Pack get a road win at the winless Browns this week. Then let's say Rodgers returns and the Pack win their last 3 to get in as a 6 seed. If the Vikings finish as the 2 seed and the Rams/Eagles finish as the 1 and 3 seeds (doesn't matter which is which) are you taking Goff and/or Wentz in their first ever Playoff games over Rodgers, even with the Packers on the road? Would be awesome to see Vikings fans thinking their on their way to a home Superhowl game...only to lose at home to the Packers in the NFC title game.

Whew!  I am so glad i can sleep soundly knowing that the big bad pack won't ruin our season.

note: I know it will be ruined but nobody was really worried about the pack this year........or next.

[wadesworld]

Whew!  I am so glad i can sleep soundly knowing that the big bad pack won't ruin our season.

note: I know it will be ruined but nobody was really worried about the pack this year........or next.

Just like nobody's ever really been worried about the Vikings...well, ever.

[Jockey]

For the defenders of Ted Thompson.

The Packers placed ZERO players on the Pro Bowl roster. ZERO. This is the guy who is considered a great scout and drafter.

So without ARod, there are in company with Cleveland, Chicago, Indy. Wow!

[wadesworld]

For the defenders of Ted Thompson.

The Packers placed ZERO players on the Pro Bowl roster. ZERO. This is the guy who is considered a great scout and drafter.

So without ARod, there are in company with Cleveland, Chicago, Indy. Wow!

Which means pretty much ZERO.