New facility questions

[Benny B]

Here's hoping that the intimacy of the new arena adds to the experience.  Because we're never building some folks 'dream' 8,000 seat arena on campus.

You're right... because the Thunderdome is going to seat ~11,000-12,000.  Marquette will still play the bigger conference home games (e.g. Nova, G-Town, Xavier and Duke) at the Fox-hole (which is roughly what the new arena will resemble in 20 years), but I envision that most of the non-con games and several of the weeknight conference games will be at the Thunderdome.

"But Benny.... how can this happen when MU - coming off four national championships in 18 years - most-assuredly will have demand for more than the Thunderdome can hold?"  Quit whining.  Technically, MU already has two classes of STH's: full season and 5-gamers; so when the Thunderdome opens, the change will be minimal... some will get full season and the rest will get Hole-only.

[4everwarriors]

Think big, play big, win big.

GTST, ai na?

[jsglow]

You're right... because the Thunderdome is going to seat ~11,000-12,000.  Marquette will still play the bigger conference home games (e.g. Nova, G-Town, Xavier and Duke) at the Fox-hole (which is roughly what the new arena will resemble in 20 years), but I envision that most of the non-con games and several of the weeknight conference games will be at the Thunderdome.

"But Benny.... how can this happen when MU - coming off four national championships in 18 years - most-assuredly will have demand for more than the Thunderdome can hold?"  Quit whining.  Technically, MU already has two classes of STH's: full season and 5-gamers; so when the Thunderdome opens, the change will be minimal... some will get full season and the rest will get Hole-only.

Yeah, the university construction plan for the next 30+ years is outlined in the Master Plan.  I've seen it in an official capacity.  Funny, I somehow missed that arena thing.   

Sometimes scoop cracks me up.

[mu03eng]

Man, I stepped out of this thread for a hot minute and a lot of insanity happens. I get that there are benefits to having an on-campus arena, but there is no equation or theory of economic benefit that would ever result in a positive recommendation for MU building an on-campus arena.

Just full stop, an on-campus arena for MU men's basketball does not and will never make any economic sense.

[1318WWells]

Everyone is overlooking one of the greatest benefits of playing off campus: alcohol.

Being able to imbibe at a game  has definitely helped our attendance numbers over the years. Nowadays, with almost every game available on TV, you will lose more STHs if you make the game dry on campus.

[MomofMUltiples]

Man, I stepped out of this thread for a hot minute and a lot of insanity happens. I get that there are benefits to having an on-campus arena, but there is no equation or theory of economic benefit that would ever result in a positive recommendation for MU building an on-campus arena.

Just full stop, an on-campus arena for MU men's basketball does not and will never make any economic sense.

Doc, DWade, Jimmy, Jae and a handful of others don't have enough to do with their $millions and decide to donate the money for an on-campus stadium.  Marquette gets all the revenues.  Hey, you didn't say realistic theory of economic benefits!

[GGGG]

Everyone is overlooking one of the greatest benefits of playing off campus: alcohol.

Being able to imbibe at a game  has definitely helped our attendance numbers over the years. Nowadays, with almost every game available on TV, you will lose more STHs if you make the game dry on campus.

You can sell alcohol in on-campus arenas.

[Nukem2]

You can sell alcohol in on-campus arenas.

Yes.  It's just at NCAA events that no alcohol can be served.  On campus, its up to the school.

[mu03eng]

Doc, DWade, Jimmy, Jae and a handful of others don't have enough to do with their $millions and decide to donate the money for an on-campus stadium.  Marquette gets all the revenues.  Hey, you didn't say realistic theory of economic benefits!

Yeah, but even then, if a facility is dropped on campus(replaces the Al let's say) totally paid for out of generosity of NBA player salaries and you once the multiples are fully adulting.....the operating cost of such a facility will exceed the revenue generated by a limited number of "performance" dates on the calendar. Even if you try to use the facility for non-MU events, you are competing with at least 4 or 5 other venues depending on the event type (new BC, old Mecca, Pabst, Marcus, Milwaukee Amphitheater, etc)

Putting up the building isn't the issue so much as running the building.

[mu03eng]

You can sell alcohol in on-campus arenas.

No proof, but I highly doubt MU would allow alcohol sales if it were brought on campus. They can get away with it at the BC because A) off campus B) they can hide behind the lack of knowledge by consumers that the school determines the alcohol sales versus the venue.

[Nukem2]

No proof, but I highly doubt MU would allow alcohol sales if it were brought on campus. They can get away with it at the BC because A) off campus B) they can hide behind the lack of knowledge by consumers that the school determines the alcohol sales versus the venue.

Again, it's really up to the school on campus.

[mu03eng]

Again, it's really up to the school on campus.

I know, but my point is, if it's on campus I bet MU would say no to alcohol....it would be tough for them to justify with their efforts to de-alcohol campus activities

[jsglow]

Man, I stepped out of this thread for a hot minute and a lot of insanity happens. I get that there are benefits to having an on-campus arena, but there is no equation or theory of economic benefit that would ever result in a positive recommendation for MU building an on-campus arena.

Just full stop, an on-campus arena for MU men's basketball does not and will never make any economic sense.

Pretty smart for a dumb engineer.   

[mu03eng]

Pretty smart for a dumb engineer.   

[GooooMarquette]

I'm amazed how many people in this thread can't distinguish somebody saying "it would be cool if" from "let's break ground on this sucker."

Most of us who have been talking about a nice 10,000-12,000 seat on campus arena have only been saying "it would be cool if...."

[warriorchick]

I'm amazed how many people in this thread can't distinguish somebody saying "it would be cool if" from "let's break ground on this sucker."

Most of us who have been talking about a nice 10,000-12,000 seat on campus arena have only been saying "it would be cool if...."

Not everyone. 

As I said in one of the many, many other threads addressing this topic, even if someone swooped in and offered to pay for costs of the construction of the building, along with establishing an endowment that would pay for upkeep into perpetuity, I am confident that Marquette pull out all the stops to try to steer them into a more worthwhile project.   

And no one has been able to answer this question:  Where would Marquette put the damn thing? There is literally no practical place closer than the new arena.

Also, it would be really cool if tuition were free. But that's not going to happen, either.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I'm amazed how many people in this thread can't distinguish somebody saying "it would be cool if" from "let's break ground on this sucker."

Most of us who have been talking about a nice 10,000-12,000 seat on campus arena have only been saying "it would be cool if...."

Just my opinion, but I actually don't think it would be that cool...on top of the practical limitations.

[GooooMarquette]

Not everyone. 

As I said in one of the many, many other threads addressing this topic, even if someone swooped in and offered to pay for costs of the construction of the building, along with establishing an endowment that would pay for upkeep into perpetuity, I am confident that Marquette pull out all the stops to try to steer them into a more worthwhile project.   

And no one has been able to answer this question:  Where would Marquette put the damn thing? There is literally no practical place closer than the new arena.

Also, it would be really cool if tuition were free. But that's not going to happen, either.

You made my point.  By asking practical, real-world questions (like "where would they put the damn thing?"), you're acting as though I'm saying "let's break ground on this sucker."

[GooooMarquette]

Not everyone. 

As I said in one of the many, many other threads addressing this topic, even if someone swooped in and offered to pay for costs of the construction of the building, along with establishing an endowment that would pay for upkeep into perpetuity, I am confident that Marquette pull out all the stops to try to steer them into a more worthwhile project.   

And no one has been able to answer this question:  Where would Marquette put the damn thing? There is literally no practical place closer than the new arena.

Also, it would be really cool if tuition were free. But that's not going to happen, either.

You made my point.  By asking practical, real-world questions (like "where would they put the damn thing?"), you're acting as though I'm saying "let's break ground on this sucker."  I'm not....

[mu_hilltopper]

Partner with Potawatomi Casino, put it in Valley Fields.  Call it .. "The Pot." 

Then they can fill the venue with all the Supertramp tribute bands they want the other 345 dates a year.

[Litehouse]

I'm amazed how many people in this thread can't distinguish somebody saying "it would be cool if" from "let's break ground on this sucker."

Most of us who have been talking about a nice 10,000-12,000 seat on campus arena have only been saying "it would be cool if...."

Difference of opinion I suppose, but I just don't think an on-campus arena would be that cool.  I really like all the conveniences of using the Bucks arena, including easy parking, 50+ bars/restaurants within a few blocks, multiple hotels within a few blocks, great concessions, great scoreboard.  We have a really unique game-day experience with the downtown location and a college/pro hybrid atmosphere.  I think we'd lose that with an on-campus arena, and then we'd just be a below average college atmosphere.

[muwarrior69]

Partner with Potawatomi Casino, put it in Valley Fields.  Call it .. "The Pot." 

Then they can fill the venue with all the Supertramp tribute bands they want the other 345 dates a year.

....but only after we go back to WARRIORS!

[mu03eng]

I'm amazed how many people in this thread can't distinguish somebody saying "it would be cool if" from "let's break ground on this sucker."

Most of us who have been talking about a nice 10,000-12,000 seat on campus arena have only been saying "it would be cool if...."

OK, so just rename the thread the utterly useless mental masturbation thread and then we can move on. I mean what the hell is the point of talking about all the possible benefits of some thing that will never, ever happen.....especially if everyone taking part in the conversation knows it won't happen?

[GGGG]

OK, so just rename the thread the utterly useless mental masturbation thread and then we can move on. I mean what the hell is the point of talking about all the possible benefits of some thing that will never, ever happen.....especially if everyone taking part in the conversation knows it won't happen?

You do realize that you aren't required to read every post made here right?

[warriorchick]

You do realize that you aren't required to read every post made here right?

Maybe he keeps hoping it will be an actual post about the new facility.