Morrow to Marquette

[Hards Alumni]

I am saying "more to come" to the story...

So, no Joey Hauser.

Got it.

[mileskishnish72]

Yes, of course an injury to Markus would put us in a bind. The more immediate problem is that he needs to learn to play D without fouling so he can stay on the floor.

[GB Warrior]

Yes, of course an injury to Markus would put us in a bind. The more immediate problem is that he needs to learn to play D without fouling so he can stay on the floor.

FIFY 

[GGGG]

I'm not sure Marquette really needs or wants the CPS scene anyway.

[We R Final Four]

Yes--Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and whomever Stan has contacts with seem to be the recruiting grounds.

Morrow coming here says more about transfers (Grad and traditional) being welcome here than it does about a Simeon guy coming here.

[#UnleashSean]

A pure pg? No.  But a quality pg? I think that's still vitally important. See Buzz'last season.

I am concerned about the PG position in 18-19. If Markus gets hurt, transfers or goes pro, that could drop us from final four contender to out of the tournament. Unless Haanie, Sacar,  or Elliott can be solid points,  I think you need to add one more in 2018. Luckily,  I think Elliott might just be the guy

I think they could have benefited from a PG who didn't just sit at the top of the key staring at the hoop while dribbling the ball for 28 seconds 

[#UnleashSean]

FIFY 

Nah the best defense is putting up 40 on offense. See James harden

[Dr. Blackheart]

So, no Joey Hauser.

Got it.

Didn't say that nor do I believe it.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I'm not sure Marquette really needs or wants the CPS scene anyway.

Chicago basketball is so much more than the CPS scene and MU has missed out big time from the Catholic schools: Frank, O'Mara, Pryor, Ulis, Matthews, etc.

[GGGG]

Chicago basketball is so much more than the CPS scene and MU has missed out big time from the Catholic schools: Frank, O'Mara, Pryor, Ulis, Matthews, etc.

I agree.  I specifically said the CPS scene for a reason.

[barfolomew]

Chicago basketball is so much more than the CPS scene and MU has missed out big time from the Catholic schools: Frank, O'Mara, Pryor, Ulis, Matthews, etc.

I seem to recall us on O'Mara's list, no?

[cheebs09]

I think we recruited Ulis and Matthews (I'm assuming that's Charles) in addition to O'Mara.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Chicago basketball is so much more than the CPS scene and MU has missed out big time from the Catholic schools: Frank, O'Mara, Pryor, Ulis, Matthews, etc.

Pryor wasn't really being recruited by any major schools at that time. In fact, he wasn't even the primary option on that Notre Dame team, it was Quinton Chievous.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I think they could have benefited from a PG who didn't just sit at the top of the key staring at the hoop while dribbling the ball for 28 seconds 

While that is an exaggeration, that's what I was saying. Great talent around the PG. Terrible PG. Terrible PG won out.

[NotAnAlum]

Great talent around the PG. Terrible PG. Terrible PG won out.

My point exactly.  If we want to be able to look towards a really special season in 18-19 and beyond AND we are fortunate enough for Joey to take our last scholarship currently available something must give and that something will need to open the door for a guy who can be counted on to provide 8-10 minutes of solid PG play.  Lots of stuff can happen on a team over 16+ months but we currently will not have sufficient depth at PG to be a top 15 team in 18-19.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

My point exactly.  If we want to be able to look towards a really special season in 18-19 and beyond AND we are fortunate enough for Joey to take our last scholarship currently available something must give and that something will need to open the door for a guy who can be counted on to provide 8-10 minutes of solid PG play.  Lots of stuff can happen on a team over 16+ months but we currently will not have sufficient depth at PG to be a top 15 team in 18-19.

I disagree with this. Currently, we have plenty of depth at PG to be a top 15 team in 18-19. Junior Markus starting and a combo of Haanif/Elliott as the backup is more than sufficient. If we land Joey, I fully expect to be a top 10 team that year at this point.

IF something were to happen to Howard (yes, I knocked on wood) then we wouldn't have enough depth at PG.

[Dawson Rental]

So, no Joey Hauser.

Got it.

Please post like an adult.

[mu03eng]

My point exactly.  If we want to be able to look towards a really special season in 18-19 and beyond AND we are fortunate enough for Joey to take our last scholarship currently available something must give and that something will need to open the door for a guy who can be counted on to provide 8-10 minutes of solid PG play.  Lots of stuff can happen on a team over 16+ months but we currently will not have sufficient depth at PG to be a top 15 team in 18-19.

My point is that if Howard goes down, we are going to be in trouble no matter what.....it's not a position thing, it's a talent thing. By your logic we should (potentially) not have a more talented front court player so we can have a back-up PG in case Howard goes down. Roster balance is important but not at the cost of talent acquisition. I'd rather maximize the talent on the roster and assume whoever the back-up is plus the rest of the roster talent is sufficient to minimize the impact of Howard's loss...because the loss is his talent not that he's a PG per se.

Thought experiment. Let's assume Howard is going to be injured. Do we want to trade say, Theo John, for a back-up that is better than Elliot/Haanif but far less talented than Howard? If fictional back-up is better talent than Theo John, maybe otherwise what's the point?

[Boozemon Barro]

This thread is ridiculous.

[Hards Alumni]

Please post like an adult.

What ever do you mean?  People talk in cryptic language so is it wrong of me to jump to conclusions?

Why can't people just be clear about what they are talking about?

[Windyplayer]

What ever do you mean?  People talk in cryptic language so is it wrong of me to jump to conclusions?

Why can't people just be clear about what they are talking about?

Kind of agree. You can post with qualifiers to avoid the pitchforks.

[jsglow]

My point is that if Howard goes down, we are going to be in trouble no matter what.....it's not a position thing, it's a talent thing. By your logic we should (potentially) not have a more talented front court player so we can have a back-up PG in case Howard goes down. Roster balance is important but not at the cost of talent acquisition. I'd rather maximize the talent on the roster and assume whoever the back-up is plus the rest of the roster talent is sufficient to minimize the impact of Howard's loss...because the loss is his talent not that he's a PG per se.

Thought experiment. Let's assume Howard is going to be injured. Do we want to trade say, Theo John, for a back-up that is better than Elliot/Haanif but far less talented than Howard? If fictional back-up is better talent than Theo John, maybe otherwise what's the point?

Talent always wins.  The Cavs never win the championship without LJ.  The Pack never wins a SB without ARodg.  You don't give that up ever.

[mu03eng]

Talent always wins.  The Cavs never win the championship without LJ.  The Pack never wins a SB without ARodg.  You don't give that up ever.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

My point is that if Howard goes down, we are going to be in trouble no matter what.....it's not a position thing, it's a talent thing. By your logic we should (potentially) not have a more talented front court player so we can have a back-up PG in case Howard goes down. Roster balance is important but not at the cost of talent acquisition. I'd rather maximize the talent on the roster and assume whoever the back-up is plus the rest of the roster talent is sufficient to minimize the impact of Howard's loss...because the loss is his talent not that he's a PG per se.

Thought experiment. Let's assume Howard is going to be injured. Do we want to trade say, Theo John, for a back-up that is better than Elliot/Haanif but far less talented than Howard? If fictional back-up is better talent than Theo John, maybe otherwise what's the point?

PG is a more vital position than the others. I 100% believe that your star PG going down is much more detrimental to a team than a star SG, SF, PF, or C. Quadruply so if you don't have a quality backup PG.

That being said, I don't think you turn down a talented player just because your PG might get injured in two seasons. That's absurd. One, its far more likely than not that Howard will be just fine (yes, I knocked on wood) and two, we have plenty of time to address that need. By the beginning of the season, the coaches will know if Joey is coming or not, and they will know who the 13th man on the roster is going to be.

[mileskishnish72]

Made me chuckle, GBW.