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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: brewcity77 on May 03, 2017, 07:09:19 PM
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Per Jeff Goodman, Ed Morrow is transferring to Marquette.
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Per Jeff Goodman, Ed Morrow is transferring to Marquette.
Heldt yeah!
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Nice! It seems like Wojo and Co have figured out MU's lack of physicality as a problem and fixed it with this transfer and the incoming freshman. Really hard not to like the trajectory of the program right now.
So if Bailey shows up, and there are no other roster changes, we have only one available for next year. (Let me go out on a limb and predict a roster change or two.)
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Damn you guys are fast. I thought I was gunna be first.
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If there aren't roster changes, we really need Markus Howard to stay healthy there next few years. Like more than MU circa 2009 with Dominic James or Creighton this past year with Mo Watson.
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Avg 9.4 pt's and 7.5 boards at 23 minutes last year. Could be a huge help on a team that needs physicality. To bad he will never get to play with Rowsey.
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Nice! It seems like Wojo and Co have figured out MU's lack of physicality as a problem and fixed it with this transfer and the incoming freshman. Really hard not to like the trajectory of the program right now.
So if Bailey shows up, and there are no other roster changes, we have only one available for next year. (Let me go out on a limb and predict a roster change or two.)
Believe you are correct on both the scholarship availability and the roster change(s). Let's get Joey and a stud PG (please, please Grimes, see the good things on the way and join in on the fun) and let's the fun begin!
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Not sure where this is going to leave Hauser at in his Junior year as Morrow left Nebraska because he wanted to play the wing and not the center.
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Alright, alright, alright! Welcome to the family Mr. Morrow
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Not sure where this is going to leave Hauser at in his Junior year as Morrow left Nebraska because he wanted to play the wing and not the center.
Sam Hauser and Ed Morrow are very different players. Sam will be fine as long as he shoots well.
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Great get. Welcome to Marquette Ed!
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Nebraska coach had nice things to say when he announced he was leaving: http://www.omaha.com/huskers/mens-basketball/ed-morrow-s-decision-to-transfer-leaves-husker-coach-tim/article_7449afcc-14dc-11e7-94d1-df0c482dda4a.html
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Stan's tweet
https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/859922938837049350
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Stan's tweet
https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/859922938837049350
For those not on twitter:
Stan Johnson@MUCoachJohnson
We got better today! #mubb
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Welcome to the MU family Ed. Your the tough minded forward we have been missing for some time.
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Between Theo and Ed we're done being pushed around. Hopefully those two guys will make each other better in Kasten next year.
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This means that what i was told about Hauser is true...he is not coming here. Pair this with Anderson committing to Wisconsin on same day. Not a coincidence
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YYYEEESSSSSSS
We needed Big East bodies to compete. Morrow is one.
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This means that what i was told about Hauser is true...he is not coming here. Pair this with Anderson committing to Wisconsin on same day. Not a coincidence
Haha alright bud. Trevor Anderson walking on to Wisconsin is what sways Joey's college choice. I believe you.
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This means that what i was told about Hauser is true...he is not coming here. Pair this with Anderson committing to Wisconsin on same day. Not a coincidence
Lolllllll
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Morrow has to sit a year, right? But we now have an abundance of Big East bigs. Guards, please.
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Morrow has to sit a year, right? But we now have an abundance of Big East bigs. Guards, please.
How quickly things change!
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Morrow has to sit a year, right? But we now have an abundance of Big East bigs. Guards, please.
First we need roster spots.
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Not sure where this is going to leave Hauser at in his Junior year as Morrow left Nebraska because he wanted to play the wing and not the center.
That's what he said publicly, but I'm assuming the reason he left Nebraska is because it's an absolute dumpster fire and their coach is a dead man walking.
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This means that what i was told about Hauser is true...he is not coming here. Pair this with Anderson committing to Wisconsin on same day. Not a coincidence
Badger Clown
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Not sure where this is going to leave Hauser at in his Junior year as Morrow left Nebraska because he wanted to play the wing and not the center.
If he wants to play the wing at MU, he'll be of limited use to us. I'm thinking that PF will be to his liking, though.
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First we need roster spots.
Don't think this will end up being an issue..just a guess, but i really don't.
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Morrow has to sit a year, right? But we now have an abundance of Big East bigs. Guards, please.
Yes,he must sit. 2 years eligibility thereafter.
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This means that what i was told about Hauser is true...he is not coming here. Pair this with Anderson committing to Wisconsin on same day. Not a coincidence
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If he wants to play the wing at MU, he'll be of limited use to us. I'm thinking that PF will be to his liking, though.
If what its true from the article I read, he doesn't want to play in the paint. So hes going to be a stretch 4 if he wants that.
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If what its true from the article I read, he doesn't want to play in the paint. So hes going to be a stretch 4 if he wants that.
Nah. He jumped from a sinking ship. Nothing about his game suggests that he's a stretch 4. He's an old school PF.
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So if Bailey shows up, and there are no other roster changes, we have only one available for next year. (Let me go out on a limb and predict a roster change or two.)
Is there a reason to believe that Bailey won't show up?
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If what its true from the article I read, he doesn't want to play in the paint. So hes going to be a stretch 4 if he wants that.
Okay...I'm sure PT can do a more thorough breakdown, but he's a 6'7", 235 lb bruising forward who excels at rebounding and blocking shots. He's decently efficient, but the next collegiate three he takes will be his first, so calling him a stretch 4 might be a stretch. He shouldn't have to play the 5, but he'll definitely be playing his share of the 4.
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Is there a reason to believe that Bailey won't show up?
There is a lot more tougher competition for playing time now than there was when he originally signed.
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This makes me very happy for many reasons.
Welcome Ed!!
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Love it. Welcome Ed
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Nice get, keep stacking bodies and let the kids decide if they can accept whatever their roles are or move on. Keep getting better.
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When Joey goes elsewhere, Sam will be cut to free up a spot.
Right now, Wojo can be selective. I personally lean towards a guard and BPA. Wojo has no history of oversigning but I wonder if he'll change his line of thinking. Odds are someone will be unhappy in the next 6-12 months and things work themselves out. I won't speculate as to who that will be but historically there has been attrition and future attrition should not be surprising. I'd almost be more surprised if there wasn't attrition.
I am dying to hear Big Daddy gives us an update. Hopefully he can get online after he's done sweeping Kasten.
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When Joey goes elsewhere, Sam will be cut to free up a spot.
Right now, Wojo can be selective. I personally lean towards a guard and BPA. Wojo has no history of oversigning but I wonder if he'll change his line of thinking. Odds are someone will be unhappy in the next 6-12 months and things work themselves out. I won't speculate as to who that will be but historically there has been attrition and future attrition should not be surprising. I'd almost be more surprised if there wasn't attrition.
I am dying to hear Big Daddy gives us an update. Hopefully he can get online after he's done sweeping Kasten.
Sacar or cheatham probably next ones on the chopping list if I'm being honest. There isn't much left of that class to begin with
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Could this be the start of maybe a Chicago Pipeline.
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Sacar or cheatham probably next ones on the chopping list if I'm being honest. There isn't much left of that class to begin with
I'd have to guess it would be the other way around. We have a glut of forwards and a limited number of guards. One of the forwards/centers will be the one to go, probably due to being at the bottom of the depth chart.
Since we haven't seen many of them in action, I have no idea what the depth chart looks like, but if I had to guess it is:
Froling
Morrow
John
Heldt
Eke
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Sacar or cheatham probably next ones on the chopping list if I'm being honest. There isn't much left of that class to begin with
If I'm not mistaken, Sacar would have to eat a year of eligibility if he transferred out since he already took a redshirt year at MU. Doubt that happens.
Cheatham? Who knows
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This means that what i was told about Hauser is true...he is not coming here. Pair this with Anderson committing to Wisconsin on same day. Not a coincidence
It's not officially good news for Marquette until Kenosha somehow turns it into good news for the Badgers!
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I'd have to guess it would be the other way around. We have a glut of forwards and a limited number of guards. One of the forwards/centers will be the one to go, probably due to being at the bottom of the depth chart.
Since we haven't seen many of them in action, I have no idea what the depth chart looks like, but if I had to guess it is:
Froling
Morrow
John
Heldt
Eke
It would be smart if Eke takes a red shirt this upcoming season. We just need to focus on Joey now
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If I'm not mistaken, Sacar would have to eat a year of eligibility if he transferred out since he already took a redshirt year at MU. Doubt that happens.
Cheatham? Who knows
"legislation going into effect in the 2015-16 school year, an undergrad who has redshirted and transfers before his/her senior season would be granted an extra year of eligibility to allow the athlete to sit out and then play"
I'm not sure if this equates for basketball/football though.
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Don't think this will end up being an issue..just a guess, but i really don't.
good problem to have...they WILL fix it...QUICKLY
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I am liking where the program is going. Keep it up Wojo, Stan and others. #WeAreMarquette!!
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"legislation going into effect in the 2015-16 school year, an undergrad who has redshirted and transfers before his/her senior season would be granted an extra year of eligibility to allow the athlete to sit out and then play"
I'm not sure if this equates for basketball/football though.
Ahh interesting. The ins and outs of the "5 year clock" are above my head. I'll defer to the likes of TAMU and other posters who know the specifics.
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Holy crap this is a huge signing!!!!
Fn wojo can recruit!!
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This means that what i was told about Hauser is true...he is not coming here. Pair this with Anderson committing to Wisconsin on same day. Not a coincidence
Sam congratulated him on twitter and Mrs. Hauser liked it.
Sam is clearly transferring to UW as well.
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I'd have to guess it would be the other way around. We have a glut of forwards and a limited number of guards. One of the forwards/centers will be the one to go, probably due to being at the bottom of the depth chart.
Since we haven't seen many of them in action, I have no idea what the depth chart looks like, but if I had to guess it is:
Froling
Morrow
John
Heldt
Eke
Ike is underrated on this site.
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Ike is underrated on this site.
Seems properly rated to me. High upside guy, but hard to bank on much contribution right away.
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Ahh interesting. The ins and outs of the "5 year clock" are above my head. I'll defer to the likes of TAMU and other posters who know the specifics.
Ya we had Otule for 6 years. He played every single year. The 5 year clock is wonky.
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Sam congratulated him on twitter and Mrs. Hauser liked it.
Sam is clearly transferring to UW as well.
what?? teal??
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It would be smart if Eke takes a red shirt this upcoming season. We just need to focus on Joey now
No way it happens this season because then we'd only have John and Heldt in the fall. Maybe a sophomore redshirt like Sacar.
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It would be smart if Eke takes a red shirt this upcoming season. We just need to focus on Joey now
Not this year. But his Sophomore year maybe. Remember that Morrow sits out and Harry isn't eligible until second semester.
Edit. Sorry. Hadn't seen the above post.
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When Joey goes elsewhere, Sam will be cut to free up a spot.
Right now, Wojo can be selective. I personally lean towards a guard and BPA. Wojo has no history of oversigning but I wonder if he'll change his line of thinking. Odds are someone will be unhappy in the next 6-12 months and things work themselves out. I won't speculate as to who that will be but historically there has been attrition and future attrition should not be surprising. I'd almost be more surprised if there wasn't attrition.
I am dying to hear Big Daddy gives us an update. Hopefully he can get online after he's done sweeping Kasten.
Agree totally. The only bench guy that it really can't be is Sacar because of the 5 year rule. But absolutely must respect a guy who volunteers for a RS, may never get above 9th man in his career, and earns his MU degree. Much like DU, those are guys I cheer for if they tell coach they want to grad transfer to get minutes in their final year.
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Wait just a minute. Anybody get Morrow's neck measurement yet?
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Nebraska? I thought we were done with jucos?
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No way it happens this season because then we'd only have John and Heldt in the fall. Maybe a sophomore redshirt like Sacar.
Eh, I'm comfortable with only Heldt and John for the first 8 or 9 games. I don't think Eke will be ready to make a difference when he first gets to campus. But it might be smarter to wait until his sophomore year, the bench will be a lot deeper than.
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Eh, I'm comfortable with only Heldt and John for the first 8 or 9 games. I don't think Eke will be ready to make a difference when he first gets to campus. But it might be smarter to wait until his sophomore year, the bench will be a lot deeper than.
It makes more sense to redshirt Eke right away, if he is not ready. A player that is not ready is not going to help the first semester of next year.
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To start next season, assuming the incumbents win the spots (understanding these traditional roles may not exactly match Wojo's system):
PG: Rowsey (Howard, Cheatham)
SG: Howard (Elliott, Sacar)
SF: Cheatham (Elliott, Cain)
PF: Hauser (John, Cain, Eke)
C: Heldt (John, Eke)
Sitting: Harry, Morrow
To start the Big East season and makng some assumptions:
PG: Rowsey (Howard, Cheatham)
SG: Howard (Elliott, Sacar)
SF: Hauser (Elliott, Cheatham, Cain)
PF: John (Froling, Cain, Eke)
C: Froling (Heldt, John)
Sitting: Morrow
The following season if Joey commits:
PG: Howard (Cheatham)
SG: Elliott (Bailey, Sacar)
SF: Sam (Morrow, Cain, Bailey)
PF: Joey (Morrow, John, Eke)
C: Froling (John, Heldt)
That is quite the log jam in the front court and MU is not as/so strong in the backcourt. Very unbalanced roster which seems to be a Wojo trademark. Obviously, guards are a priority to replace Chatham and Heldt when they graduate. So, transfers/releases, red shirts, and leaving early for the pros are possible mitigating factors for speculation on roster composition.
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To start next season, assuming the incumbents win the spots (understanding these traditional roles may not exactly match Wojo's system):
PG: Rowsey (Howard, Cheatham)
SG: Howard (Elliott, Sacar)
SF: Cheatham (Elliott, Cain)
PF: Hauser (John, Cain, Eke)
C: Heldt (John, Eke)
Sitting: Harry, Morrow
To start the Big East season and makng some assumptions:
PG: Rowsey (Howard, Cheatham)
SG: Howard (Elliott, Sacar)
SF: Hauser (Elliott, Cheatham, Cain)
PF: John (Froling, Cain, Eke)
C: Froling (Heldt, John)
Sitting: Morrow
The following season if Joey commits:
PG: Howard (Cheatham)
SG: Elliott (Bailey, Sacar)
SF: Sam (Morrow, Cain, Bailey)
PF: Joey (Morrow, John, Eke)
C: Froling (John, Heldt)
That is quite the log jam in the front court and MU is not as/so strong in the backcourt. Very unbalanced roster which seems to be a Wojo trademark. Obviously, guards are a priority to replace Chatham and Heldt when they graduate. So, transfers/releases, red shirts, and leaving early for the pros are possible mitigating factors for speculation on roster composition.
The lack of concern for PGs is really troubling. When can Traci grad transfer back?
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To start next season, assuming the incumbents win the spots (understanding these traditional roles may not exactly match Wojo's system):
PG: Rowsey (Howard, Cheatham)
SG: Howard (Elliott, Sacar)
SF: Cheatham (Elliott, Cain)
PF: Hauser (John, Cain, Eke)
C: Heldt (John, Eke)
Sitting: Harry, Morrow
To start the Big East season and makng some assumptions:
PG: Rowsey (Howard, Cheatham)
SG: Howard (Elliott, Sacar)
SF: Hauser (Elliott, Cheatham, Cain)
PF: John (Froling, Cain, Eke)
C: Froling (Heldt, John)
Sitting: Morrow
The following season if Joey commits:
PG: Howard (Cheatham)
SG: Elliott (Bailey, Sacar)
SF: Sam (Morrow, Cain, Bailey)
PF: Joey (Morrow, John, Eke)
C: Froling (John, Heldt)
That is quite the log jam in the front court and MU is not as/so strong in the backcourt. Very unbalanced roster which seems to be a Wojo trademark. Obviously, guards are a priority to replace Chatham and Heldt when they graduate. So, transfers/releases, red shirts, and leaving early for the pros are possible mitigating factors for speculation on roster composition.
Bailey as a two guard?
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To start next season, assuming the incumbents win the spots (understanding these traditional roles may not exactly match Wojo's system):
PG: Rowsey (Howard, Cheatham)
SG: Howard (Elliott, Sacar)
SF: Cheatham (Elliott, Cain)
PF: Hauser (John, Cain, Eke)
C: Heldt (John, Eke)
Sitting: Harry, Morrow
To start the Big East season and makng some assumptions:
PG: Rowsey (Howard, Cheatham)
SG: Howard (Elliott, Sacar)
SF: Hauser (Elliott, Cheatham, Cain)
PF: John (Froling, Cain, Eke)
C: Froling (Heldt, John)
Sitting: Morrow
The following season if Joey commits:
PG: Howard (Cheatham)
SG: Elliott (Bailey, Sacar)
SF: Sam (Morrow, Cain, Bailey)
PF: Joey (Morrow, John, Eke)
C: Froling (John, Heldt)
That is quite the log jam in the front court and MU is not as/so strong in the backcourt. Very unbalanced roster which seems to be a Wojo trademark. Obviously, guards are a priority to replace Chatham and Heldt when they graduate. So, transfers/releases, red shirts, and leaving early for the pros are possible mitigating factors for speculation on roster composition.
This is about as balanced of an MU team as I can remember in a really long time. The only need is a backup point guard, and we don't really know if Elliot could handle that as a sophomore or not. Otherwise? Size, shooting, rebounding, defense, ball handling all covered for years to come.
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Bailey as a two guard?
He is a shooter...not a lot of guard depth. Other than the 3/2, where else might he get minutes?
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I don't think any assumptions can be made about future PG play. Exhibit #1, the Milwaukee Bucks.
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Let me flip this around a bit. You guys remember when both Luke and Matty would be in foul trouble and Wojo would look down the bench toward........
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This is about as balanced of an MU team as I can remember in a really long time. The only need is a backup point guard, and we don't really know if Elliot could handle that as a sophomore or not. Otherwise? Size, shooting, rebounding, defense, ball handling all covered for years to come.
That guard depth is thin, and is an injury/early exit away from being very vulnerable.
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To start next season, assuming the incumbents win the spots (understanding these traditional roles may not exactly match Wojo's system):
PG: Rowsey (Howard, Cheatham)
SG: Howard (Elliott, Sacar)
SF: Cheatham (Elliott, Cain)
PF: Hauser (John, Cain, Eke)
C: Heldt (John, Eke)
Sitting: Harry, Morrow
To start the Big East season and makng some assumptions:
PG: Rowsey (Howard, Cheatham)
SG: Howard (Elliott, Sacar)
SF: Hauser (Elliott, Cheatham, Cain)
PF: John (Froling, Cain, Eke)
C: Froling (Heldt, John)
Sitting: Morrow
The following season if Joey commits:
PG: Howard (Cheatham)
SG: Elliott (Bailey, Sacar)
SF: Sam (Morrow, Cain, Bailey)
PF: Joey (Morrow, John, Eke)
C: Froling (John, Heldt)
That is quite the log jam in the front court and MU is not as/so strong in the backcourt. Very unbalanced roster which seems to be a Wojo trademark. Obviously, guards are a priority to replace Chatham and Heldt when they graduate. So, transfers/releases, red shirts, and leaving early for the pros are possible mitigating factors for speculation on roster composition.
I'm thinking that you're overestimating Elliott a bit, and underestimating Cain more than a bit.
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Let me flip this around a bit. You guys remember when both Luke and Matty would be in foul trouble and Wojo would look down the bench toward........
Sam and that small line up was very effective offensively at times. Where the lack of bigs killed us was on defense. That will improve significantly in the future with this roster (considering last year's MU team was the worst in any of our lifetimes).
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I'm thinking that you're overestimating Elliott a bit, and underestimating Cain more than a bit.
Could very well be...although the scuttle is the staff thinks that Elliott is the "next big thing". Certainly, all of this can be blown up as players develop, but MU went from a guard to a big dominated roster in a blink of an eye.
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Let me flip this around a bit. You guys remember when both Luke and Matty would be in foul trouble and Wojo would look down the bench toward........
Yes, but the end of the 2005 season and Western Michigan game were far more troubling to me. #guardsgame
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Sam congratulated him on twitter and Mrs. Hauser liked it.
Sam is clearly transferring to UW as well.
Gard hired Mrs Hauser as an assistant coach this morning.
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Sam and that small line up was very effective offensively at times. Where the lack of bigs killed us was on defense. That will improve significantly in the future with this roster (considering last year's MU team was the worst in any of our lifetimes).
And there's your key. We had 10 fouls to give in the paint and Luke especially was prone. Once those were used, it was a big problem.
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The lack of concern for PGs is really troubling. When can Traci grad transfer back?
We have Howard and Rowsey next year. Don't need Carter.
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Gard hired Mrs Hauser as an assistant coach this morning.
What's Badger Maniac, Red Foreman and Company saying about taking Joey's PG as a walk on?
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Gard hired Mrs Hauser as an assistant coach this morning.
Who got Gardled?
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Ya we had Otule for 6 years. He played every single year. The 5 year clock is wonky.
Very simple and plain vanilla curcumstances surrounding Otule. He was clearly eligible for a 5-year waiver and medical hardship waivers.
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So let me ask this question to those of you who are never happy about anything.
Should we have told Morrow to go to Xavier simply because we're running a little thin at guard following Rowsey's graduation after the upcoming season? Really?
God forbid that we only have until Fall '18 to bolster that position either via the play of Hanni, Elliott or via a new addition either in the coveted Joey slot (if he decides to go elsewhere) or an opening when next year's 11th man decides he'd maximize his prospects elsewhere thereby creating a new slot. Remember, that guy could easily be a grad transfer one year from now especially if minutes are immediately available.
And in the off chance that somehow Wojo totally runs out of scholarships because everything perfectly falls into place, do you really think he'll sacrifice the program before he quietly encourages the last man on the team to find a better fit at UW-GB or Bradley?
I think he's got a handle on this situation.
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Yes, but the end of the 2005 season and Western Michigan game were far more troubling to me. #guardsgame
Or when Jerel got hurt. Or DJ. Or Vander left early leading to Derrick and Jake. I am glad MU has enough size. Get some guards.
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Lolllllll
Thank God this is coming from Nate.
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So let me ask this question to those of you who are never happy about anything.
Should we have told Morrow to go to Xavier simply because we're running a little thin at guard following Rowsey's graduation after the upcoming season? Really?
God forbid that we only have until Fall '18 to bolster that position either via the play of Hanni, Elliott or via a new addition either in the coveted Joey slot (if he decides to go elsewhere) or an opening when next year's 11th man decides he'd maximize his prospects elsewhere thereby creating a new slot. Remember, that guy could easily be a grad transfer one year from now especially if minutes are immediately available.
And in the off chance that somehow Wojo totally runs out of scholarships because everything perfectly falls into place, do you really think he'll sacrifice the program before he quietly encourages the last man on the team to find a better fit at UW-GB or Bradley?
I think he's got a handle on this situation.
The Scooper hand-wrigers are always going to hand-wring.
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So let me ask this question to those of you who are never happy about anything.
Should we have told Morrow to go to Xavier simply because we're running a little thin at guard following Rowsey's graduation after the upcoming season? Really?
God forbid that we only have until Fall '18 to bolster that position either via the play of Hanni, Elliott or via a new addition either in the coveted Joey slot (if he decides to go elsewhere) or an opening when next year's 11th man decides he'd maximize his prospects elsewhere thereby creating a new slot. Remember, that guy could easily be a grad transfer one year from now especially if minutes are immediately available.
And in the off chance that somehow Wojo totally runs out of scholarships because everything perfectly falls into place, do you really think he'll sacrifice the program before he quietly encourages the last man on the team to find a better fit at UW-GB or Bradley?
I think he's got a handle on this situation.
+1
First people complain we're too guard-oriented. Now they complain we'll be too light on guards.
I'm pretty sure Wojo, Nelson, Diener et al understand the importance of having good guards ( ;)), and are doing what they can to balance the roster as well as possible.
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Seriously, when's the last time we've had a more balanced roster? Off the top of my head the last time I can think of was the 2003 Final Four team.
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Nebraska? I thought we were done with jucos?
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We have Howard and Rowsey next year. Don't need Carter.
You see I am older than you, I can remember back to watching MU trying to bring the ball up in 2017 so I get nervous about the PG position.
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You see I am older than you, I can remember back to watching MU trying to bring the ball up in 2017 so I get nervous about the PG position.
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The lack of concern for PGs is really troubling. When can Traci grad transfer back?
Part of the reason may be that we have one of the best PGs in the country that doesn't exactly have an NBA body.
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So let me ask this question to those of you who are never happy about anything.
Should we have told Morrow to go to Xavier simply because we're running a little thin at guard following Rowsey's graduation after the upcoming season? Really?
God forbid that we only have until Fall '18 to bolster that position either via the play of Hanni, Elliott or via a new addition either in the coveted Joey slot (if he decides to go elsewhere) or an opening when next year's 11th man decides he'd maximize his prospects elsewhere thereby creating a new slot. Remember, that guy could easily be a grad transfer one year from now especially if minutes are immediately available.
And in the off chance that somehow Wojo totally runs out of scholarships because everything perfectly falls into place, do you really think he'll sacrifice the program before he quietly encourages the last man on the team to find a better fit at UW-GB or Bradley?
I think he's got a handle on this situation.
This. It will take care of itself. Landing Morrow is great news. The 18-19 and 19-20 roster will take care of itself.
For now, we still have 1 to play with for next season, but it does appear that will be banked for now.
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Part of the reason may be that we have one of the best PGs in the country that doesn't exactly have an NBA body.
We have one of the best guards in the country. We still need a point.
I like the Morrow signing. I love the current incoming class. I'm not worried about Joey; room is always found if room is needed. I just think we're thin at point.
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So let me ask this question to those of you who are never happy about anything.
Should we have told Morrow to go to Xavier simply because we're running a little thin at guard following Rowsey's graduation after the upcoming season? Really?
God forbid that we only have until Fall '18 to bolster that position either via the play of Hanni, Elliott or via a new addition either in the coveted Joey slot (if he decides to go elsewhere) or an opening when next year's 11th man decides he'd maximize his prospects elsewhere thereby creating a new slot. Remember, that guy could easily be a grad transfer one year from now especially if minutes are immediately available.
And in the off chance that somehow Wojo totally runs out of scholarships because everything perfectly falls into place, do you really think he'll sacrifice the program before he quietly encourages the last man on the team to find a better fit at UW-GB or Bradley?
I think he's got a handle on this situation.
Post of the day, glow. Nicely stated!
I am thrilled that Wojo was aggressive and proactive, and he beat our rivals (and others) for Morrow.
There is plenty of time to address the 2018-19 PG needs.
Peeps need to chill, though I know that isn't the Scoop way.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19305090/nebraska-cornhuskers-transfer-ed-morrow-transfer-marquette-golden-eagles
One quote stood out to me:
"Coach Wojo had something called the Ed Morrow Blueprint," Morrow said... When I got to pick their brains, there was just so much stuff they said that I was looking for. Their role for me was just developing. Getting better. I see myself getting better there.
Kind of sounds like that article that got posted here a while back about how Gonzaga uses the redshirt year to sell transfers on the school.
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I'm thinking that Elliott was brought in to be a PG. Remember, both Wojo and Duke prefers combo guards to "traditional" PGs.
Still, would love to nab Grimes along with Joey just to remove all concern.
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We have one of the best guards in the country. We still need a point.
I like the Morrow signing. I love the current incoming class. I'm not worried about Joey; room is always found if room is needed. I just think we're thin at point.
Ehh. Howard is our point guard. If there is one dude on the team I don't want to erk by bringing in top tier talent at his position, its Howard.
I am not against a PG in the 18-19 class at all (Grimes would be fantastic). I also wanted some of the available freshman / sophomore PG transfers to come to MU as well. But I just don't think its a super duper priority, especially with Elliot in the fold now.
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Under Wojo, we are not going to see PGs who can't shoot. It's combo guards all the way.
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Under Wojo, we are not going to see PGs who can't shoot. It's combo guards all the way.
I'm all for point guards who can shoot. I love Travis & Hutch. I just hope they can also handle the basketball. Saying someone's a combo guard implies they can handle pressure. That's where I worry about us right now.
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I'm all for point guards who can shoot. I love Travis & Hutch. I just hope they can also handle the basketball. Saying someone's a combo guard implies they can handle pressure. That's where I worry about us right now.
We actually handled the press very well last year. Low TO rate in press situations. We're just fans so the times we didn't handle it stand out in our minds. We didn't make opponents pay for pressing us very often, but its not like we fell apart and turned the ball over left and right.
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I think the PGs role is a bit overrated when breaking the press. Our best weapons on the press last year, in my opinion, were Sam and Katin. Both did a good job of getting to the middle and passing or dribbling across half.
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We actually handled the press very well last year. Low TO rate in press situations. We're just fans so the times we didn't handle it stand out in our minds. We didn't make opponents pay for pressing us very often, but its not like we fell apart and turned the ball over left and right.
Yep.
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I think the PGs role is a bit overrated when breaking the press. Our best weapons on the press last year, in my opinion, were Sam and Katin. Both did a good job of getting to the middle and passing or dribbling across half.
+1
Remember clearly screaming 'Get the ball to Katin!'
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I'm all for point guards who can shoot. I love Travis & Hutch. I just hope they can also handle the basketball. Saying someone's a combo guard implies they can handle pressure. That's where I worry about us right now.
Handling the press with an All-Conference PG is one way to go about it. You can also handle the press with a 3 or 4 that handle the ball better than whoever's guarding them (ala Katin this past year and Henry the year before).
The roster next year with positions probably looks something like this:
-Wowsey: 1/2
-Marcus18: 1/2
-Haani: 2/3
-Sacar(wherever he is): 2/3
-Cain: 3
-#SammySplash: 3/4
-The Aussie: 4/5
-Heldt's Kitchen: 5
-Elliot: 1/2
-I like Ike: 4
-John: 4
In 2018 it looks like this:
-Marcus18: 1/2
-Elliot: 1/2
-Haani: 2/3
-Sacar(wherever he is): 2/3
-Cain: 2/3
-#SammySplash: 3/4
-The Aussie: 5
-Heldt's Kitchen: 5
-I like Ike: 4
-John: 4
-Bailey: 3/4
-Morrow: 4/5
-open spot that is Joey's for the taking: 4/5
There are enough ball handlers this coming season for sure, and likely next season that we'll be ok.....having said that I would be totally shocked if the 18 roster looks like I've detailed it and someone isn't gone/not here and a PG who can shoot is in that roster spot
Bottom line, the roster looks awesome for this coming season and in pretty good shape for '18 so I'm going to take it and run.
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The bigger problem from the point guard position wasn't the press, it was getting into the lane without a plan. Markus would get bailed out, or would bail himself out, but that's where he would get into trouble. Experience is going to solve this problem.
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Nebraska? I thought we were done with jucos?
Hot fiyahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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The bigger problem from the point guard position wasn't the press, it was getting into the lane without a plan. Markus would get bailed out, or would bail himself out, but that's where he would get into trouble. Experience is going to solve this problem.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/550/771/7ac.jpg)
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The bigger problem from the point guard position wasn't the press, it was getting into the lane without a plan. Markus would get bailed out, or would bail himself out, but that's where he would get into trouble. Experience is going to solve this problem.
Yep. That was the other thing I was screaming. "Where ARE you going?' ?-(
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It would be smart if Eke takes a red shirt this upcoming season. We just need to focus on Joey now
This is something I expect to happen...I hope to happen. We were the best program that offered Eke...If he wants to play at this level he should redshirt for a year.
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This is something I expect to happen...I hope to happen. We were the best program that offered Eke...If he wants to play at this level he should redshirt for a year.
Ike had offers from Pitt and Xavier . We got him early in the process. Ike is going to be a huge contributor to our success in the future.
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Ike had offers from Pitt and Xavier . We got him early in the process. Ike is going to be a huge contributor to our success in the future.
With Heldt/Froling ahead of him in the depth chart this year I still think a redshirt is a better use of year 1 rather than 5 MPG....
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With Heldt/Froling ahead of him in the depth chart this year I still think a redshirt is a better use of year 1 rather than 5 MPG....
Why is Froling ahead of Ike in the depth chart? I see it the other way around. Ike can play defense , rebound run the floor and he can also shoot. I view Froling as the project , not Ike.
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Ike had offers from Pitt and Xavier . We got him early in the process. Ike is going to be a huge contributor to our success in the future.
Huh. I did not know that, but it looks to be accurate. I typically like Xavier's bigs so the fact that Mack offered makes me optimistic.
Froling is definitely ahead of Ike on the depth chart. He was getting minutes on a top-25 SMU team last year before he transferred, and that's with him being out of shape. Add in that he's already vastly improved his strength and conditioning and has 5 more months to do so? I would guess he gets a lot of minutes once he's eligible.
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Why is Froling ahead of Ike in the depth chart? I see it the other way around. Ike can play defense , rebound run the floor and he can also shoot. I view Froling as the project , not Ike.
Ummmm. I haven't seen Ike play live, but I think Froling is going to be much less of project. IMO, Froling is going to be one of our better players when eligible next year.
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So let me ask this question to those of you who are never happy about anything.
Should we have told Morrow to go to Xavier simply because we're running a little thin at guard following Rowsey's graduation after the upcoming season? Really?
God forbid that we only have until Fall '18 to bolster that position either via the play of Hanni, Elliott or via a new addition either in the coveted Joey slot (if he decides to go elsewhere) or an opening when next year's 11th man decides he'd maximize his prospects elsewhere thereby creating a new slot. Remember, that guy could easily be a grad transfer one year from now especially if minutes are immediately available.
And in the off chance that somehow Wojo totally runs out of scholarships because everything perfectly falls into place, do you really think he'll sacrifice the program before he quietly encourages the last man on the team to find a better fit at UW-GB or Bradley?
I think he's got a handle on this situation.
Who is complaining? The roster balance has swung from guard heavy to big heavy. It isn't balanced by grade or position. Fact. MU is one injury away at guard to being vulnerable. Fact
Morrow isn't coming here to sit either. Wojo is still heavily recruiting guards. I am sure he knows what the situation is behind the scenes. More to come is all.
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I am in the 'Froling will be better than Ike next season' camp. But it will be a lot of fun if I am wrong.
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Pretty silly for anyone to be commenting on depth charts since its May, and there is no ball for 6 months. These guys haven't practiced together and some of them haven't even shown up on campus yet.
But I guess prognosticators gonna prognosticate.
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Who is complaining? The roster balance has swung from guard heavy to big heavy. It isn't balanced by grade or position. Fact. MU is one injury away at guard to being vulnerable. Fact
Morrow isn't coming here to sit either. Wojo is still heavily recruiting guards. I am sure he knows what the situation is behind the scenes. More to come is all.
So your saying we should have passed on Morrow?
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Ummmm. I haven't seen Ike play live, but I think Froling is going to be much less of project. IMO, Froling is going to be one of our better players when eligible next year.
People are seriously underestimating what Ike is all about. This kid is hyper athletic, has an incredible body that will only get better and he has a very smooth outside shot. He played and performed well in one of the best leagues in the country. 6-10 long arms mobility and court vision with great foot work. He can guard multiple positions. Ike was an absolute steal for us . The young man is a winner.
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Why is Froling ahead of Ike in the depth chart? I see it the other way around. Ike can play defense , rebound run the floor and he can also shoot. I view Froling as the project , not Ike.
Care to wager?
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Who is complaining? The roster balance has swung from guard heavy to big heavy. It isn't balanced by grade or position. Fact. MU is one injury away at guard to being vulnerable. Fact
Morrow isn't coming here to sit either. Wojo is still heavily recruiting guards. I am sure he knows what the situation is behind the scenes. More to come is all.
I think it shows the inequitable nature of the whole NCAA system that Ed Morrow, who will turn 21 next season, will now be in the same "class" as Marcus Howard, who, as we know, is only 14 years old.
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People are seriously underestimating what Ike is all about. This kid is hyper athletic, has an incredible body that will only get better and he has a very smooth outside shot. He played and performed well in one of the best leagues in the country. 6-10 long arms mobility and court vision with great foot work. He can guard multiple positions. Ike was an absolute steal for us . The young man is a winner.
I think we all hope you're right. But I also think we see a kid who hasn't played basketball that long, looks very raw, isn't ranked by any recruiting service, and his HS stats don't exactly pop out at you.
I am in no way downing Eke. I love that we have him. He is exactly the type of dude you see on a mid to low major team team as junior or senior and say - how in the world did they get that guy? I have no doubt he'll be very good before his MU career is over, but I am not sure how much he is going to produce as a freshman.
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People are seriously underestimating what Ike is all about. This kid is hyper athletic, has an incredible body that will only get better and he has a very smooth outside shot. He played and performed well in one of the best leagues in the country. 6-10 long arms mobility and court vision with great foot work. He can guard multiple positions. Ike was an absolute steal for us . The young man is a winner.
I'm excited about Ike. Think he has crazy high upside because of what you described. But I don't think he will put it all together next year. He might never put it all together as long as the demotivator is coaching him!
National scouts rank him in mid 300s. Local scouts didn't even list him as a top 10 player in the state (note, includes all classes, not just SR class). There are surprises in every class but I can't think of any kids who were ranked this low and made as much of an impact on a top 50 team their freshman year that you seem to think Eke will give us in his first year.
I think you are extremely underestimating Froling as well. Big man with his shooting touch? He has already proven that he can play meaningful minutes on a top team. He was the second guy off the bench for a top 25 SMU team. Give him a year to get in shape and practice with the team? I think he ends up being a major contributor, probably even a starter.
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Under Wojo, we are not going to see PGs who can't shoot. It's combo guards all the way.
We have. (Traci)
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We have. (Traci)
Compared to his predecessor, Traci was a friggin marksman.
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Ike had offers from Pitt and Xavier . We got him early in the process. Ike is going to be a huge contributor to our success in the future.
At least you aren't keeping us guessing on who your new obsession is with the matriculation of JJJ
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People are seriously underestimating what Ike is all about. This kid is hyper athletic, has an incredible body that will only get better and he has a very smooth outside shot. He played and performed well in one of the best leagues in the country. 6-10 long arms mobility and court vision with great foot work. He can guard multiple positions. Ike was an absolute steal for us . The young man is a winner.
Are you describing Ike or Mbao? Ike has a lot to learn and apply at a high level. But he has the tools which can't be taught. Now to learn how to use the tools at a high consistent level. If he has the dedication and motivation to work hard all year round... great things could be in store for him in the future. It sounds like he does, and that is why Wojo went after him early.
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Handling the press with an All-Conference PG is one way to go about it. You can also handle the press with a 3 or 4 that handle the ball better than whoever's guarding them (ala Katin this past year and Henry the year before).
The roster next year with positions probably looks something like this:
-Wowsey: 1/2
-Marcus18: 1/2
-Haani: 2/3
-Sacar(wherever he is): 2/3
-Cain: 3
-#SammySplash: 3/4
-The Aussie: 4/5
-Heldt's Kitchen: 5
-Elliot: 1/2
-I like Ike: 4
-John: 4
In 2018 it looks like this:
-Marcus18: 1/2
-Elliot: 1/2
-Haani: 2/3
-Sacar(wherever he is): 2/3
-Cain: 2/3
-#SammySplash: 3/4
-The Aussie: 5
-Heldt's Kitchen: 5
-I like Ike: 4
-John: 4
-Bailey: 3/4
-Morrow: 4/5
-open spot that is Joey's for the taking: 4/5
There are enough ball handlers this coming season for sure, and likely next season that we'll be ok.....having said that I would be totally shocked if the 18 roster looks like I've detailed it and someone isn't gone/not here and a PG who can shoot is in that roster spot
Bottom line, the roster looks awesome for this coming season and in pretty good shape for '18 so I'm going to take it and run.
I like your nickname for Rowsey,
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So your saying we should have passed on Morrow?
I am saying "more to come" to the story...
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Ike won't play a minute next season, nor should he see any significant minutes until his Junior season.
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Ike won't play a minute next season, nor should he see any significant minutes until his Junior season.
i've got to archive this one
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I am saying "more to come" to the story...
So Evil, hoos leavin', hey?
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i've got to archive this one
Put it in your signature
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One take away from this thread....based on the various levels of talent evaluation we have this board we should have an embarrassment of riches in the talent department next year.
It's good to be good again.
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Handling the press with an All-Conference PG is one way to go about it. You can also handle the press with a 3 or 4 that handle the ball better than whoever's guarding them (ala Katin this past year and Henry the year before).
The roster next year with positions probably looks something like this:
-Wowsey: 1/2
-Marcus18: 1/2
-Haani: 2/3
-Sacar(wherever he is): 2/3
-Cain: 3
-#SammySplash: 3/4
-The Aussie: 4/5
-Heldt's Kitchen: 5
-Elliot: 1/2
-I like Ike: 4
-John: 4
In 2018 it looks like this:
-Marcus1819: 1/2
-Elliot: 1/2
-Haani: 2/3
-Sacar(wherever he is): 2/3
-Cain: 2/3
-#SammySplash: 3/4
-The Aussie: 5
-Heldt's Kitchen: 5
-I like Ike: 4
-John: 4
-Bailey: 3/4
-Morrow: 4/5
-open spot that is Joey's for the taking: 4/5
There are enough ball handlers this coming season for sure, and likely next season that we'll be ok.....having said that I would be totally shocked if the 18 roster looks like I've detailed it and someone isn't gone/not here and a PG who can shoot is in that roster spot
Bottom line, the roster looks awesome for this coming season and in pretty good shape for '18 so I'm going to take it and run.
There FIFY
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In 2018 it looks like this:
-Marcus18: 1/2
-Elliot: 1/2
-Haani: 2/3
-Sacar(wherever he is): 2/3
-Cain: 2/3
-#SammySplash: 3/4
-The Aussie: 5
-Heldt's Kitchen: 5
-I like Ike: 4
-John: 4
-Bailey: 3/4
-Morrow: 4/5
-open spot that is Joey's for the taking: 4/5
There are enough ball handlers this coming season for sure,
Given how good that team is at all other positions (compete for BE title, Top 15 overall) going in to the season with 1 point guard (what looks to be a great one but only 1 guy) and your only sub at that position is a guy who didn't play point in HS and wasn't projected as a point, I would have some real concerns. Point is the most important position on a college team. I'd like to go into each year with 2 proven #1s and an incoming freshman #1 for a total of 3. We've seen what happens when you have a very solid front line and no one to get them the ball. I hope we haven't over compensated for not enough rebounding and height up front this year by putting ourselves in the position that a 1 or 2 game injury to Markus or even foul problems for Markus cost us games in what could otherwise have been a special season 2 years from now.
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Hate to break it to people, but an injury to Markus in 2 seasons is probably going to cost us some games whether we have Quentin Grimes and Traci Carter or Elliott and Cheatham as his backup. Very few teams out there won't take a hit when their best player goes down, no matter how deep they are.
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i've got to archive this one
You gonna archive the comment about Ike being better than Froling next year too? Or just call someone out when they pick a POV you don't like?
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Given how good that team is at all other positions (compete for BE title, Top 15 overall) going in to the season with 1 point guard (what looks to be a great one but only 1 guy) and your only sub at that position is a guy who didn't play point in HS and wasn't projected as a point, I would have some real concerns. Point is the most important position on a college team. I'd like to go into each year with 2 proven #1s and an incoming freshman #1 for a total of 3. We've seen what happens when you have a very solid front line and no one to get them the ball. I hope we haven't over compensated for not enough rebounding and height up front this year by putting ourselves in the position that a 1 or 2 game injury to Markus or even foul problems for Markus cost us games in what could otherwise have been a special season 2 years from now.
I don't think a pure PG is as important as it use to be. I think we have plenty of ball handlers across all the positions. Losing Marcus would suck no matter whether we have a strictly PG back-up or a make shift one.
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I don't think a pure PG is as important as it use to be. I think we have plenty of ball handlers across all the positions. Losing Marcus would suck no matter whether we have a strictly PG back-up or a make shift one.
A pure pg? No. But a quality pg? I think that's still vitally important. See Buzz'last season.
I am concerned about the PG position in 18-19. If Markus gets hurt, transfers or goes pro, that could drop us from final four contender to out of the tournament. Unless Haanie, Sacar, or Elliott can be solid points, I think you need to add one more in 2018. Luckily, I think Elliott might just be the guy
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Agree that PG is our biggest risk. I am NOT worried about the 2/3 switchable once Rowsey is gone or if he goes down this year. Obviously we suffer without his sharpshooting, but we have people who can fill those (notably, Cain, who I think people are WAY underselling), and they're typically easier to find.
This team is exciting, but even holding down the fort at point could be a challenge when Markus is on the bench. The lack of anyone with a really strong handle can affect the speed at which we play and can be a waterfall effect on our offense's effectiveness in those (hopefully limited) minutes.
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Ike is a distant third in the depth chart at the 5 behind Harry and Heldt and probably behind Theo at this point as well if he splits minutes between the 4 and 5.
Considering none of those players graduate within the next two years, and with Morrow and maybe Joey coming next year, there's practically no minutes for Ike in the front court.
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Ike is a distant third in the depth chart at the 5 behind Harry and Heldt and probably behind Theo at this point as well if he splits minutes between the 4 and 5.
Considering none of those players graduate within the next two years, and with Morrow and maybe Joey coming next year, there's practically no minutes for Ike in the front court.
that's a reasonable explanation. far better than some of the others. i hope you're right about joey. gotta think about injuries, unforeseen "team rules" issues, etc etc
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Coming from Simeon, does Morrow's commitment open some new doors in recruiting Chicago?
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Coming from Simeon, does Morrow's commitment open some new doors in recruiting Chicago?
Nah
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Coming from Simeon, does Morrow's commitment open some new doors in recruiting Chicago?
That's not how you open doors to recruiting Chicago
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Ehh. Howard is our point guard. If there is one dude on the team I don't want to erk by bringing in top tier talent at his position, its Howard.
I am not against a PG in the 18-19 class at all (Grimes would be fantastic). I also wanted some of the available freshman / sophomore PG transfers to come to MU as well. But I just don't think its a super duper priority, especially with Elliot in the fold now.
I'm skeptical about Elliot at the point. I remember when Sandy Cohen was a HS senior some posted enthusiastically about his ability to play PG......
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Ike had offers from Pitt and Xavier . We got him early in the process. Ike is going to be a huge contributor to our success in the future.
Kostas II?
All kidding aside, what most don't realise about Ike is that he has very little time as a basketball player. He's a very athletic big who has big upside potential because he is still improving at a high rate due to his lack of early exposure to the game.
On the other hand, he did commit early and since then he's been recruited over twice. My worst case scenario is that he gets impatient and MU winds up developing Eke for someone else's benefit.
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Why is Froling ahead of Ike in the depth chart? I see it the other way around. Ike can play defense , rebound run the floor and he can also shoot. I view Froling as the project , not Ike.
OK, now I know we're dealing with Kostas II.
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Kostas II?
All kidding aside, what most don't realise about Ike is that he has very little time as a basketball player. He's a very athletic big who has big upside potential because he is still improving at a high rate due to his lack of early exposure to the game.
On the other hand, he did commit early and since then he's been recruited over twice. My worst case scenario is that he gets impatient and MU winds up developing Eke for someone else's benefit.
Recruited over twice? Are you putting Froling into that sentence? Not the same player or position.
Now I'll put this scenario out there. With 10 players available the first semester, Ike is going to get minutes. If Wojo and the staff feel he needs development when Morrow becomes eligible, Ike becomes Amal McCaskill and redshirts his sophomore year.
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Coming from Simeon, does Morrow's commitment open some new doors in recruiting Chicago?
steve taylor jr. was from simeon-played with jabari parker briefly. just a little "aside" frankie k and his team from benet, beat simeon (taylor/parker) in 2011, 58-54. simeon was ranked #1 locally and 3 nationally while benet was 3 and 24
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steve taylor jr. was from simeon-played with jabari parker briefly. just a little "aside" frankie k and his team from benet, beat simeon (taylor/parker) in 2011, 58-54. simeon was ranked #1 locally and 3 nationally while benet was 3 and 24
FWIW, CPS coaches have really taken a liking to Underwood at Illinois. They really hated Groce.
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I am saying "more to come" to the story...
So, no Joey Hauser.
Got it.
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Yes, of course an injury to Markus would put us in a bind. The more immediate problem is that he needs to learn to play D without fouling so he can stay on the floor.
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Yes, of course an injury to Markus would put us in a bind. The more immediate problem is that he needs to learn to play D without fouling so he can stay on the floor.
FIFY ;)
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I'm not sure Marquette really needs or wants the CPS scene anyway.
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Yes--Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and whomever Stan has contacts with seem to be the recruiting grounds.
Morrow coming here says more about transfers (Grad and traditional) being welcome here than it does about a Simeon guy coming here.
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A pure pg? No. But a quality pg? I think that's still vitally important. See Buzz'last season.
I am concerned about the PG position in 18-19. If Markus gets hurt, transfers or goes pro, that could drop us from final four contender to out of the tournament. Unless Haanie, Sacar, or Elliott can be solid points, I think you need to add one more in 2018. Luckily, I think Elliott might just be the guy
I think they could have benefited from a PG who didn't just sit at the top of the key staring at the hoop while dribbling the ball for 28 seconds ::) ?-(
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FIFY ;)
Nah the best defense is putting up 40 on offense. See James harden
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So, no Joey Hauser.
Got it.
Didn't say that nor do I believe it.
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I'm not sure Marquette really needs or wants the CPS scene anyway.
Chicago basketball is so much more than the CPS scene and MU has missed out big time from the Catholic schools: Frank, O'Mara, Pryor, Ulis, Matthews, etc.
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Chicago basketball is so much more than the CPS scene and MU has missed out big time from the Catholic schools: Frank, O'Mara, Pryor, Ulis, Matthews, etc.
I agree. I specifically said the CPS scene for a reason.
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Chicago basketball is so much more than the CPS scene and MU has missed out big time from the Catholic schools: Frank, O'Mara, Pryor, Ulis, Matthews, etc.
I seem to recall us on O'Mara's list, no?
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I think we recruited Ulis and Matthews (I'm assuming that's Charles) in addition to O'Mara.
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Chicago basketball is so much more than the CPS scene and MU has missed out big time from the Catholic schools: Frank, O'Mara, Pryor, Ulis, Matthews, etc.
Pryor wasn't really being recruited by any major schools at that time. In fact, he wasn't even the primary option on that Notre Dame team, it was Quinton Chievous.
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I think they could have benefited from a PG who didn't just sit at the top of the key staring at the hoop while dribbling the ball for 28 seconds ::) ?-(
While that is an exaggeration, that's what I was saying. Great talent around the PG. Terrible PG. Terrible PG won out.
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Great talent around the PG. Terrible PG. Terrible PG won out.
My point exactly. If we want to be able to look towards a really special season in 18-19 and beyond AND we are fortunate enough for Joey to take our last scholarship currently available something must give and that something will need to open the door for a guy who can be counted on to provide 8-10 minutes of solid PG play. Lots of stuff can happen on a team over 16+ months but we currently will not have sufficient depth at PG to be a top 15 team in 18-19.
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My point exactly. If we want to be able to look towards a really special season in 18-19 and beyond AND we are fortunate enough for Joey to take our last scholarship currently available something must give and that something will need to open the door for a guy who can be counted on to provide 8-10 minutes of solid PG play. Lots of stuff can happen on a team over 16+ months but we currently will not have sufficient depth at PG to be a top 15 team in 18-19.
I disagree with this. Currently, we have plenty of depth at PG to be a top 15 team in 18-19. Junior Markus starting and a combo of Haanif/Elliott as the backup is more than sufficient. If we land Joey, I fully expect to be a top 10 team that year at this point.
IF something were to happen to Howard (yes, I knocked on wood) then we wouldn't have enough depth at PG.
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So, no Joey Hauser.
Got it.
Please post like an adult.
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My point exactly. If we want to be able to look towards a really special season in 18-19 and beyond AND we are fortunate enough for Joey to take our last scholarship currently available something must give and that something will need to open the door for a guy who can be counted on to provide 8-10 minutes of solid PG play. Lots of stuff can happen on a team over 16+ months but we currently will not have sufficient depth at PG to be a top 15 team in 18-19.
My point is that if Howard goes down, we are going to be in trouble no matter what.....it's not a position thing, it's a talent thing. By your logic we should (potentially) not have a more talented front court player so we can have a back-up PG in case Howard goes down. Roster balance is important but not at the cost of talent acquisition. I'd rather maximize the talent on the roster and assume whoever the back-up is plus the rest of the roster talent is sufficient to minimize the impact of Howard's loss...because the loss is his talent not that he's a PG per se.
Thought experiment. Let's assume Howard is going to be injured. Do we want to trade say, Theo John, for a back-up that is better than Elliot/Haanif but far less talented than Howard? If fictional back-up is better talent than Theo John, maybe otherwise what's the point?
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This thread is ridiculous.
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Please post like an adult.
What ever do you mean? People talk in cryptic language so is it wrong of me to jump to conclusions?
Why can't people just be clear about what they are talking about?
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What ever do you mean? People talk in cryptic language so is it wrong of me to jump to conclusions?
Why can't people just be clear about what they are talking about?
Kind of agree. You can post with qualifiers to avoid the pitchforks.
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My point is that if Howard goes down, we are going to be in trouble no matter what.....it's not a position thing, it's a talent thing. By your logic we should (potentially) not have a more talented front court player so we can have a back-up PG in case Howard goes down. Roster balance is important but not at the cost of talent acquisition. I'd rather maximize the talent on the roster and assume whoever the back-up is plus the rest of the roster talent is sufficient to minimize the impact of Howard's loss...because the loss is his talent not that he's a PG per se.
Thought experiment. Let's assume Howard is going to be injured. Do we want to trade say, Theo John, for a back-up that is better than Elliot/Haanif but far less talented than Howard? If fictional back-up is better talent than Theo John, maybe otherwise what's the point?
Talent always wins. The Cavs never win the championship without LJ. The Pack never wins a SB without ARodg. You don't give that up ever.
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Talent always wins. The Cavs never win the championship without LJ. The Pack never wins a SB without ARodg. You don't give that up ever.
(https://img.memesuper.com/a7ec157b18cc030e2b98e084cb6742d2_1000-images-about-i-agree-memes_678-751.jpeg)
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My point is that if Howard goes down, we are going to be in trouble no matter what.....it's not a position thing, it's a talent thing. By your logic we should (potentially) not have a more talented front court player so we can have a back-up PG in case Howard goes down. Roster balance is important but not at the cost of talent acquisition. I'd rather maximize the talent on the roster and assume whoever the back-up is plus the rest of the roster talent is sufficient to minimize the impact of Howard's loss...because the loss is his talent not that he's a PG per se.
Thought experiment. Let's assume Howard is going to be injured. Do we want to trade say, Theo John, for a back-up that is better than Elliot/Haanif but far less talented than Howard? If fictional back-up is better talent than Theo John, maybe otherwise what's the point?
PG is a more vital position than the others. I 100% believe that your star PG going down is much more detrimental to a team than a star SG, SF, PF, or C. Quadruply so if you don't have a quality backup PG.
That being said, I don't think you turn down a talented player just because your PG might get injured in two seasons. That's absurd. One, its far more likely than not that Howard will be just fine (yes, I knocked on wood) and two, we have plenty of time to address that need. By the beginning of the season, the coaches will know if Joey is coming or not, and they will know who the 13th man on the roster is going to be.
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Made me chuckle, GBW.
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Talent always wins. The Cavs never win the championship without LJ. The Pack never wins a SB without ARodg. You don't give that up ever.
Unless, of course, the Pack has Favre.....or Starr.
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Absolutely talent wins out...you don't not take Morrow because of worries about roster issues. He isn't some end of the bench guy..probably at least in my opinion one of the top 5 available players this offseason.
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Absolutely talent wins out...you don't not take Morrow because of worries about roster issues. He isn't some end of the bench guy..probably at least in my opinion one of the top 5 available players this offseason.
and if all goes according to plan, he fills one of our needs very very well
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My point is that if Howard goes down, we are going to be in trouble no matter what.....it's not a position thing, it's a talent thing. By your logic we should (potentially) not have a more talented front court player so we can have a back-up PG in case Howard goes down. Roster balance is important but not at the cost of talent acquisition. I'd rather maximize the talent on the roster and assume whoever the back-up is plus the rest of the roster talent is sufficient to minimize the impact of Howard's loss...because the loss is his talent not that he's a PG per se.
Thought experiment. Let's assume Howard is going to be injured. Do we want to trade say, Theo John, for a back-up that is better than Elliot/Haanif but far less talented than Howard? If fictional back-up is better talent than Theo John, maybe otherwise what's the point?
I actually agree with you. I'm of the opinion that you should stack the roster with as much talent as possible. Positioning will work itself out- Wojo will figure it out
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I agree. I specifically said the CPS scene for a reason.
I know. This has been a burr on my side about Chicago. Perception is that CPS is Chicago but there is much more. Buzz was on these Catholic kids. Ulis was begging to come here. Pryor was at Evanston before ND but Buzz was on him but the SLU admin decided no as they didn't like the grades or JUCO. Losing Matthews may have been the last straw for Buzz. I think Buzz looked hard at O'Mara but passed. Benford was making inroads in the CPS.
MU needs Chicago to win. Wojo has been hesitant.
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What ever do you mean? People talk in cryptic language so is it wrong of me to jump to conclusions?
Why can't people just be clear about what they are talking about?
Conversely, why do people jump to <wrong> conclusions when posters are being cryptic?
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I know. This has been a burr on my side about Chicago. Perception is that CPS is Chicago but there is much more. Buzz was on these Catholic kids. Ulis was begging to come here. Pryor was at Evanston before ND but Buzz was on him but the SLU admin decided no as they didn't like the grades or JUCO. Losing Matthews may have been the last straw for Buzz. I think Buzz looked hard at O'Mara but passed. Benford was making inroads in the CPS.
MU needs Chicago to win. Wojo has been hesitant.
I will just add Brunson. Saw that kid in 6th grade and he was a stud. I think Buzz always thought he was a Philly lean (good guess with Daddy) but MU should have played. Too much demurring.
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I know. This has been a burr on my side about Chicago. Perception is that CPS is Chicago but there is much more. Buzz was on these Catholic kids. Ulis was begging to come here. Pryor was at Evanston before ND but Buzz was on him but the SLU admin decided no as they didn't like the grades or JUCO. Losing Matthews may have been the last straw for Buzz. I think Buzz looked hard at O'Mara but passed. Benford was making inroads in the CPS.
MU needs Chicago to win. Wojo has been hesitant.
Thing is..Wojo went into Chicago with Duke..so he should have connections there. I'm with you..Chicago hasnt seemed to be as big of a priority for MU ever since Crean left and I'm not sure why..
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Absolutely talent wins out...you don't not take Morrow because of worries about roster issues. He isn't some end of the bench guy..probably at least in my opinion one of the top 5 available players this offseason.
Eh....maybe top 10 traditional transfer. Top 20-25 including grad transfers. But it was pretty good transfer class this year.
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Eh....maybe top 10 traditional transfer. Top 20-25 including grad transfers. But it was pretty good transfer class this year.
Sorry..but you're wrong on this one TAMU..maybe you look at it from a "fit" perspective..and if you're in the "MU needs another PG" camp..then you dont see the need with Morrow. The ONLY two grad transfers i thought were clearly better than Morrow are Egor and Cam Johnson. Thats it. I'd have to look at the trad transfer list again to make a judgment on that one..but no one seems to understand how good Morrow is.
He'd have been the second leading rebounder in the BE last year. If no one wants that..they're crazy.
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Eh....maybe top 10 traditional transfer. Top 20-25 including grad transfers. But it was pretty good transfer class this year.
I find this highly unlikely as he was ranked around 50 in his class out of high school and almost averaged a double double last season.
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I know. This has been a burr on my side about Chicago. Perception is that CPS is Chicago but there is much more. Buzz was on these Catholic kids. Ulis was begging to come here. Pryor was at Evanston before ND but Buzz was on him but the SLU admin decided no as they didn't like the grades or JUCO. Losing Matthews may have been the last straw for Buzz. I think Buzz looked hard at O'Mara but passed. Benford was making inroads in the CPS.
MU needs Chicago to win. Wojo has been hesitant.
Marrquette does not "need" Chicago to win. It would be helpful, but Buzz's run of three S16s included one bit player from Chicago. Not a necessity.
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I find this highly unlikely as he was ranked around 50 in his class out of high school and almost averaged a double double last season.
Wrong. ESPN had Morrow at 62, Rivals 105, and Scout was an unranked 3 star. So one service, which in my opinion is the worst of the three, had him maybe kinda somewhat close to 50. The rest, not even close.
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Just bc I want a PG doesn't mean I don't want Morrow or Joey. I want them all. What I'm saying is we still need a PG. For all I care you can slap Sacar with a kielbasa sausage and send him back to Scandanavia; I really don't care how it happens, I just think this team needs PG.
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So why did Morrow go to Aksarben to begin with?
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So why did Morrow go to Aksarben to begin with?
His parents are Nebraska alums and Nebraska was coming off a NCAA tournament appearance.
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Wrong. ESPN had Morrow at 62, Rivals 105, and Scout was an unranked 3 star. So one service, which in my opinion is the worst of the three, had him maybe kinda somewhat close to 50. The rest, not even close.
Lol you're a peach.
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Lol you're a peach.
Additionally 247 had Morrow at 116.
Morrow can play though. Be interesting to see how his game develops to play some wing on occasion
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Additionally 247 had Morrow at 116.
Morrow can play though. Be interesting to see how his game develops to play some wing on occasion
The RSCI composite ranking had him at 85.
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So why did Morrow go to Aksarben to begin with?
Maybe, he thought it was in Michigan.
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The RSCI composite ranking had him at 85.
Nukem, I am unaware of the RSCI, can you explain?
I was just going off this from 247: http://247sports.com/Player/Ed-Morrow-33911?Institution=10187
112 national comp & 116 by 247
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Nukem, I am unaware of the RSCI, can you explain?
"Recruiting Services Consensus Index" It is a composite ranking based on several of the services that rank prospects.
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Additionally 247 had Morrow at 116.
Morrow can play though. Be interesting to see how his game develops to play some wing on occasion
Most on this board feel that MU has finally found the answer to the lack of an effective inside presence who can defend and rebound and you want to move him to the wing?
#hausersonthebench
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Marrquette does not "need" Chicago to win. It would be helpful, but Buzz's run of three S16s included one bit player from Chicago. Not a necessity.
Eight* out of the last 10 NCAA champions had Chicago players. Bo made his run with Chicago players (Frank and Brust). Al's championship teams were made with Chicago (and NYC) talent. Crean's run was driven by Chicago talent. So, when you say it is not a "need" or "necessity", I simply do not agree, whether back in the day or today. And this excuse (not yours but one I keep hearing) about the CPS swamp for not recruiting Chicago is just that, an excuse. Glad to have Morrow.
*Sherron Collins, Frasor, Scheyer, Anthony Davis, Blackshear, Boatright, Parker/Okafor, Brunson.
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Sorry..but you're wrong on this one TAMU..maybe you look at it from a "fit" perspective..and if you're in the "MU needs another PG" camp..then you dont see the need with Morrow. The ONLY two grad transfers i thought were clearly better than Morrow are Egor and Cam Johnson. Thats it. I'd have to look at the trad transfer list again to make a judgment on that one..but no one seems to understand how good Morrow is.
He'd have been the second leading rebounder in the BE last year. If no one wants that..they're crazy.
I agree with you here. Seems people here don't know how good Morrow can be if healthy. Unfortunately, he hasn't been healthy very much in his college career. The year off should help.
This guy is much better than his numbers would indicate. We got a good one.
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Lol you're a peach.
Thanks. I am thrilled to have Morrow. But I think facts matter and I wanted to share his rankings so scoopers don't perpetuate a myth about Morrow being a borderline top 50 Hs player.
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I find this highly unlikely as he was ranked around 50 in his class out of high school and almost averaged a double double last season.
He was ranked outside the top 100 by most services. He averaged almost a double double but it was for a very meh Nebraska team. He is an elite rebounder, but a poor offensive and defensive player. Inefficient on offense and very inefficient on defense.
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Conversely, why do people jump to <wrong> conclusions when posters are being cryptic?
My initial response was pure bait, and I knew it would get taken... just like yours did.
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Thanks. I am thrilled to have Morrow. But I think facts matter and I wanted to share his rankings so scoopers don't perpetuate a myth about Morrow being a borderline top 50 Hs player.
Here are the RSCI rankings (or others if over 100) of MU's currently signed players:
Top 100: Bailey (62), Howard (71 but I think JayBee said he was Top 25 before he graded up), Morrow (85), Cheatham (87), S. Hauser (94), Cain (95), Heldt (96).
Others (247): Froling (132), Anim (193), John (201), Elliott (218), Eke (344)
NR: Rowsey (2 star on ESPN, 22nd in his state)
Joey is a Top 50 rated player for in every RSCI service (17-41).
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Eight* out of the last 10 NCAA champions had Chicago players. Bo made his run with Chicago players (Frank and Brust). Al's championship teams were made with Chicago (and NYC) talent. Crean's run was driven by Chicago talent. So, when you say it is not a "need" or "necessity", I simply do not agree, whether back in the day or today. And this excuse (not yours but one I keep hearing) about the CPS swamp for not recruiting Chicago is just that, an excuse. Glad to have Morrow.
*Sherron Collins, Frasor, Scheyer, Anthony Davis, Blackshear, Boatright, Parker/Okafor, Brunson.
Calling Lisle and Arlington Heights "Chicago" is pretty laughable... These are kids from the burbs.
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Sorry..but you're wrong on this one TAMU..maybe you look at it from a "fit" perspective..and if you're in the "MU needs another PG" camp..then you dont see the need with Morrow. The ONLY two grad transfers i thought were clearly better than Morrow are Egor and Cam Johnson. Thats it. I'd have to look at the trad transfer list again to make a judgment on that one..but no one seems to understand how good Morrow is.
He'd have been the second leading rebounder in the BE last year. If no one wants that..they're crazy.
No one said that they didn't want Morrow. We are all very excited about Morrow. He is an elite rebounder. But that's the only thing he's elite in. The advanced numbers on his offense are meh and the advanced numbers on his defense are poor. Do not take that as me saying Morrow is a bad player. But I'm trying to give all the facts so we don't jump the scoop like we always do and tear Morrow apart when he's not an all world player right away.
You underestimate the rest of the transfer pool as well. Like I said it was a good transfer class this year. Here are a few that I had ranked above Morrow. And it was by overall ability not fit with Marquette.
Cam Johnson
Egor Koulochov
Al Freeman
Elijah Brown
Mark Alstork
Darius Thompson
Dedric Lawson
Tevin Mack
Devon Daniels
Charlie Moore
Mike Lewis II
Noah Dickerson
KJ Lawson
Mikey Dixon
Marcus Evans
Here are few that were ranked around the same:
James Daniel III
Henry Caruso
Geno Thorpe
Nisre Zouzoua
Michael Weathers
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Here are the RSCI rankings (or others if over 100) of MU's currently signed players:
Top 100: Bailey (62), Morrow (85), Cheatham (87), S. Hauser (94), Cain (95), Heldt (96).
Others (247): Froling (132), Anim (193), John (201), Elliott (218), Eke (344)
NR: Rowsey (2 star on ESPN, 22nd in his state)
Joey is a Top 50 rated player for in every RSCI service (17-41).
Now obviously, we all know rankings are not the be all end all, but if MU could push the "others" category to all top 150's(or higher)..THEN I think MU is in business.
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Calling Lisle and Arlington Heights "Chicago" is pretty laughable... These are kids from the burbs.
I'll switch Dwyane's, Jerel's and Todd's addresses to RFD.
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Eight* out of the last 10 NCAA champions had Chicago players. Bo made his run with Chicago players (Frank and Brust). Al's championship teams were made with Chicago (and NYC) talent. Crean's run was driven by Chicago talent. So, when you say it is not a "need" or "necessity", I simply do not agree, whether back in the day or today. And this excuse (not yours but one I keep hearing) about the CPS swamp for not recruiting Chicago is just that, an excuse. Glad to have Morrow.
*Sherron Collins, Frasor, Scheyer, Anthony Davis, Blackshear, Boatright, Parker/Okafor, Brunson.
Parker was not on the title team. He was a year earlier on the team that lost to a 14 seed.
But like you said, Chicagoland has a lot of talent. If we get players from there, great. But I don't care where players are from. Markus Howard is great no matter where he's from. Same with a kid like Henry Ellenson or Joey Hauser. If we can land a better player elsewhere, do it.
Plus, the upper upper echelon of Chicago talent is in high demand. Looking at the list you provided, lots of players went to blue bloods...Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, Duke...those are the schools MU has to beat out for guys like Davis and Okafor. Very stiff competition.
I feel MU can compete for the next tier of talent with the Louisville, UConn, Nova types. Not easy but doable. So Chicagoland should be one of our recruiting grounds, as should Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, and national recruits too.
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At this point what do the rankings matter. He's here and we have him.
To Quote that Mid 20th century Philosopher, Doris Day "Que Sera-Sera"
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No one said that they didn't want Morrow. We are all very excited about Morrow. He is an elite rebounder. But that's the only thing he's elite in. The advanced numbers on his offense are meh and the advanced numbers on his defense are poor. Do not take that as me saying Morrow is a bad player. But I'm trying to give all the facts so we don't jump the scoop like we always do and tear Morrow apart when he's not an all world player right away.
You underestimate the rest of the transfer pool as well. Like I said it was a good transfer class this year. Here are a few that I had ranked above Morrow. And it was by overall ability not fit with Marquette.
Cam Johnson
Egor Koulochov
Al Freeman
Elijah Brown
Mark Alstork
Darius Thompson
Dedric Lawson
Tevin Mack
Devon Daniels
Charlie Moore
Mike Lewis II
Noah Dickerson
KJ Lawson
Mikey Dixon
Marcus Evans
Here are few that were ranked around the same:
James Daniel III
Henry Caruso
Geno Thorpe
Nisre Zouzoua
Michael Weathers
Whileheartedly disagree with this list
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Calling Lisle and Arlington Heights "Chicago" is pretty laughable... These are kids from the burbs.
One thing I've learned in traveling is that people in the greater Chicago and Milwaukee areas simply say they're from the cities. When someone says Chicago, I say "Chicago Chicago or suburb Chicago". Same goes for Milwaukee
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Whileheartedly disagree with this list
Please tell me who you disagree with and I'll be happy to explain why I put them there.
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He was ranked outside the top 100 by most services. He averaged almost a double double but it was for a very meh Nebraska team. He is an elite rebounder, but a poor offensive and defensive player. Inefficient on offense and very inefficient on defense.
The big questions is what can he be for MU? In EYBL play, he had a tremendous eFG% of 67.7%, an ORtg of 126.8 and this was on a 19% usage. OR% was very good at 12%.. DR% bleh at 15%. Turnover rate just 13%.
As a freshman, things looked similar directionally, other than turnover rate. 105 ORtg on 17% usage, turnover rate jumped to an awful 27%, but he shot 63.4% eFG%.(never takes 3-pointers)
Sophomore year, things were rough.. had to do a lot more..23% usage.. and shot only 51.4% eFG%. ORtg falls to 100... big ten ORtg: FR 114; SO 95.. how much due to injury? How much due to increased usage? But the rebounding #'s improved.. 14.3% OR% (top 30).. 20.6% DR%, including 18.5% in B1G.. suggesting he might be around top 10 in BEast.. but not a lot of minutes.
Could see his profile looking a lot more efficient on offense as a RS Jr. Maybe 110 ORtg, 20-ish % usage. eFG% jumps back up, turnovers cut down just a bit.. rebounding similar... would be lovely.
Block rates in EYBL and in college have been around 5%. His FC/
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The big questions is what can he be for MU? In EYBL play, he had a tremendous eFG% of 67.7%, an ORtg of 126.8 and this was on a 19% usage. OR% was very good at 12%.. DR% bleh at 15%. Turnover rate just 13%.
As a freshman, things looked similar directionally, other than turnover rate. 105 ORtg on 17% usage, turnover rate jumped to an awful 27%, but he shot 63.4% eFG%.(never takes 3-pointers)
Sophomore year, things were rough.. had to do a lot more..23% usage.. and shot only 51.4% eFG%. ORtg falls to 100... big ten ORtg: FR 114; SO 95.. how much due to injury? How much due to increased usage? But the rebounding #'s improved.. 14.3% OR% (top 30).. 20.6% DR%, including 18.5% in B1G.. suggesting he might be around top 10 in BEast.. but not a lot of minutes.
Could see his profile looking a lot more efficient on offense as a RS Jr. Maybe 110 ORtg, 20-ish % usage. eFG% jumps back up, turnovers cut down just a bit.. rebounding similar... would be lovely.
Block rates in EYBL and in college have been around 5%. His FC/
Good thoughts, Jay Bee. All to be seen, but the team he'll be on once eligible should allow him to be a complimentary player and outside shooting should give him more room to operate. Year off hopefully helps.
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Absolutely talent wins out...you don't not take Morrow because of worries about roster issues. He isn't some end of the bench guy..probably at least in my opinion one of the top 5 available players this offseason.
Congrats, guru. That was a nice, positive post that wasn't filled with angst about athletes Wojo couldn't get.
Maybe there's hope for you yet!
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Congrats, guru. That was a nice, positive post that wasn't filled with angst about athletes Wojo couldn't get.
Maybe there's hope for you yet!
What he meant was that Morrow is not some end of bench guy like Luke Fischer
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The big questions is what can he be for MU? In EYBL play, he had a tremendous eFG% of 67.7%, an ORtg of 126.8 and this was on a 19% usage. OR% was very good at 12%.. DR% bleh at 15%. Turnover rate just 13%.
As a freshman, things looked similar directionally, other than turnover rate. 105 ORtg on 17% usage, turnover rate jumped to an awful 27%, but he shot 63.4% eFG%.(never takes 3-pointers)
Sophomore year, things were rough.. had to do a lot more..23% usage.. and shot only 51.4% eFG%. ORtg falls to 100... big ten ORtg: FR 114; SO 95.. how much due to injury? How much due to increased usage? But the rebounding #'s improved.. 14.3% OR% (top 30).. 20.6% DR%, including 18.5% in B1G.. suggesting he might be around top 10 in BEast.. but not a lot of minutes.
Could see his profile looking a lot more efficient on offense as a RS Jr. Maybe 110 ORtg, 20-ish % usage. eFG% jumps back up, turnovers cut down just a bit.. rebounding similar... would be lovely.
Block rates in EYBL and in college have been around 5%. His FC/
So JB, tell me what that means. Does that put him in the 'come off the bench, grab some rebounds, all in 15 minutes of work' range? So in other words, Joey doesn't even blink when a player like this signs?
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I do not think Morrow comes here, if he does not think he is going to start. That means he expects to be better than the players that are already here. Of course I would of said the same thing about Reinhardt and he ended up being a key player off the bench.
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Morrow may not start, but he clearly will play. There isn't someone with his skillset on this team.
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I do not think Morrow comes here, if he does not think he is going to start. That means he expects to be better than the players that are already here. Of course I would of said the same thing about Reinhardt and he ended up being a key player off the bench.
Huh? :o
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I do not think Morrow comes here, if he does not think he is going to start. That means he expects to be better than the players that are already here. Of course I would of said the same thing about Reinhardt and he ended up being a key player off the bench.
Little early for bongs.
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I do not think Morrow comes here, if he does not think he is going to start. That means he expects to be better than the players that are already here. Of course I would of said the same thing about Reinhardt and he ended up being a key player off the bench.
Punctuation means something, hey?
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Punctuation means something, hey?
Punctuation! no, matta?
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I reread. Understand. ;D
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So JB, tell me what that means. Does that put him in the 'come off the bench, grab some rebounds, all in 15 minutes of work' range? So in other words, Joey doesn't even blink when a player like this signs?
I would think more in the 22-26 range if he's doing that.
But, still think you can sell Joey on "players a, b and c will be more at the 5... you're not just a 4, we want you handling the ball, showing your versatility"
As far as 'competing minutes' thoughts... a guy like Theo would be the one blinking.
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I'm not sure players like Joey worry about competition for minutes. They've played against the best all their lives and proven that they belong on the court. And I think the best players recognize that success comes when you're surrounded by the best teammates.
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I would think more in the 22-26 range if he's doing that.
But, still think you can sell Joey on "players a, b and c will be more at the 5... you're not just a 4, we want you handling the ball, showing your versatility"
As far as 'competing minutes' thoughts... a guy like Theo would be the one blinking.
Gotcha, thanks.
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I'm not sure players like Joey worry about competition for minutes. They've played against the best all their lives and proven that they belong on the court. And I think the best players recognize that success comes when you're surrounded by the best teammates.
Agreed.
It's not as if he's going to find lesser competition for minutes at Michigan State, Notre Dame or Virginia, than he is at Marquette.
Maybe Wisconsin, but even then, there will be other fours on the roster.
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I'm not sure players like Joey worry about competition for minutes. They've played against the best all their lives and proven that they belong on the court. And I think the best players recognize that success comes when you're surrounded by the best teammates.
Agree 100%. Players want to play with the best because they will win that way. Wojo has done a great job getting the best talent possible. The future is bright. The Warriors will dominate!
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...and if I'm Ed.. I'm thinking I want to expand my game... but if I'm his teammate.. I'm thinking "this mf'r is a workhorse, ready to get nasty and grimy"
And now we have a couple of those types. It's all quite lovely.
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The panda eats, shoots and leaves. Whatttt!?!?!
The panda eats shoots and leaves. True.
#CommasMatta.
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The panda eats, shoots and leaves. Whatttt!?!?!
The panda eats shoots and leaves. True.
#CommasMatta.
#igiveafckaboutanoxfordcomma
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#igiveafckaboutanoxfordcomma
Let's eat Grandma.
Let's eat, Grandma.
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#igiveafckaboutanoxfordcomma
I'd like to thank my parents, Mother Teresa and the pope.
I'd like to thank my parents, Mother Teresa, and the pope.
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I'd like to thank my parents, Mother Teresa and the pope.
I always suspected they were a couple.
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I always suspected they were a couple.
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For anyone that is interested..Ed Morrow's per 40 stats figure out to be, 16.5 PPG and just under 13.0 RPG. That's...All American good. Pretty sure MU has never had anyone who's per 40 stats were that good..
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/edward-morrow-1.html#all_players_per_min (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/edward-morrow-1.html#all_players_per_min)
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For anyone that is interested..Ed Morrow's per 40 stats figure out to be, 16.5 PPG and just under 13.0 RPG. That's...All American good. Pretty sure MU has never had anyone who's per 40 stats were that good..
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/edward-morrow-1.html#all_players_per_min (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/edward-morrow-1.html#all_players_per_min)
Just a year ago, Henry was 20.0 and 11.2
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For anyone that is interested..Ed Morrow's per 40 stats figure out to be, 16.5 PPG and just under 13.0 RPG. That's...All American good. Pretty sure MU has never had anyone who's per 40 stats were that good..
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/edward-morrow-1.html#all_players_per_min (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/edward-morrow-1.html#all_players_per_min)
If you are talking specifically rebounds per 40, you might be right. In terms of overall per 40 stats? I would put Markus, Rowsey, Luke, and JJJ's per 40 stats last season above Morrow's.
Per 40 stats are the most useless of advanced stats. I'm not even sure I would categorize them as an advanced stat. Morrow is exactly what I said. Elite rebounder, average offensive player, below average defensive player. Someone you definitely want on your team. Jay Bee posted some of his AAU stats that showed some hopeful potential for Morrow's offense and defense. Hopefully the year off gives him a chance to get healthy and expand his game. Even if he doesn't, he still will be an extremely valuable player and will likely start once eligible. I could see 9 and 8 as a reasonable prediction for his first year for us.
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Would the defense stats be the most unreliable part? The best defender gets the best offensive player, which might make the defenders stats look worse than he is. The worse defender gets the worst offensive player, which migh make the defenders stats look better than they should. Also, your defense is affected by the other players on the team and whether you are playing out of position. The team's style also matters.
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Just a year ago, Henry was 20.0 and 11.2
Jae Crowder: 21.3 and 10.2.
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#igiveafckaboutanoxfordcomma
#butitsnottheoxfordcomma
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Let's eat Grandma.
Let's eat, Grandma.
ew
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We invited the strippers, Obama, and Trump.
We invited the strippers, Obama and Trump.
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Jae Crowder: 21.3 and 10.2.
And IIRC, very few TOs.
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#butitsnottheoxfordcomma
#correctiwouldhaveputoneaftershootsaswellwhichwouldbeanoxfordcomma
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#correctiwouldhaveputoneaftershootsaswellwhichwouldbeanoxfordcomma
#ThisIsKindaAwesome
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If you are talking specifically rebounds per 40, you might be right. In terms of overall per 40 stats? I would put Markus, Rowsey, Luke, and JJJ's per 40 stats last season above Morrow's.
Per 40 stats are the most useless of advanced stats. I'm not even sure I would categorize them as an advanced stat. Morrow is exactly what I said. Elite rebounder, average offensive player, below average defensive player. Someone you definitely want on your team. Jay Bee posted some of his AAU stats that showed some hopeful potential for Morrow's offense and defense. Hopefully the year off gives him a chance to get healthy and expand his game. Even if he doesn't, he still will be an extremely valuable player and will likely start once eligible. I could see 9 and 8 as a reasonable prediction for his first year for us.
I hate per-40 stats.
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I hate per-40 stats.
#StatHatin
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I hate per-40 stats.
Agreed. There's something to be said about being available to be on the court as much as the players around you.
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I hate per-40 stats.
Agreed, they are useless. A guy like Deon Franklin could play the last minute, score one basket on an offensive board, and suddenly he's an 80/40 guy per 40.
Minutes matter because very few players are able to replicate their efficiency numbers as minutes go up. And a player is only as valuable as what they actually do contribute, not what a hypothetical projection would say.
But most important, his real numbers ARE his per 40 numbers. The games were 40 minutes long and what he produced was what he produced, including his mpg total.
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https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/861944048814366720
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Agreed, they are useless. A guy like Deon Franklin could play the last minute, score one basket on an offensive board, and suddenly he's an 80/40 guy per 40.
Minutes matter because very few players are able to replicate their efficiency numbers as minutes go up. And a player is only as valuable as what they actually do contribute, not what a hypothetical projection would say.
But most important, his real numbers ARE his per 40 numbers. The games were 40 minutes long and what he produced was what he produced, including his mpg total.
Of course, they are not useless. They, like all other stats, are to be used together and weighted appropriately to arrive at a balanced assessment.
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All Stats Matta (except FTs)
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All Stats Matta (except number of minutes per practice devoted to FTs)
Fixed. I think. Or is it the other way around?
No Stats Matta except number of minutes per practice devoted to FTs.
I can't remember.
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Of course, they are not useless. They, like all other stats, are to be used together and weighted appropriately to arrive at a balanced assessment.
What does a per 40 stat tell you that other stats do not?
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What does a per 40 stat tell you that other stats do not?
How good a player would be playing in a communist society in which everyone received equal rather than equitable playing time.
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How good a player would be playing in a communist society in which everyone received equal rather than equitable playing time.
Nicely done.
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What does a per 40 stat tell you that other stats do not?
If the argument is it's a useless stat because no one plays 40 mins in a single game..that's valid..however I see per 100 posessions cited often by posters here..and doesnt the same thing apply? When is there ever 100 possessions in a game?
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I'd like to thank my parents, Mother Teresa and the pope.
I'd like to thank my parents, Mother Teresa, and the pope.
My Pope is spelled with a capitol "P", Mr. Comma Correct.
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My Pope is spelled with a capitol "P", Mr. Comma Correct.
I used to enjoy Father Guido Sarducci's "Find the Pope in the Pizza" contest!
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If the argument is it's a useless stat because no one plays 40 mins in a single game..that's valid..however I see per 100 posessions cited often by posters here..and doesnt the same thing apply? When is there ever 100 possessions in a game?
No, it doesn't apply. Possessions are not measured in time.
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I used to enjoy Father Guido Sarducci's "Find the Pope in the Pizza" contest!
Finda da Pope in da pizza was a fun segment.
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Finda da Pope in da pizza was a fun segment.
Thank you for correcting my poor spelling!
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Per 100 possessions is really just moving the decimal point over two places to make the numbers more readable for the average person.
1.278 points per possession = 127.8 points per 100 possession
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My Pope is spelled with a capitol "P", Mr. Comma Correct.
AP Style says I am right. As a proper title, it should be capitalized. For example, Pope John II. But in my example, lowercase is recommended.
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AP Style says I am right. As a proper title, it should be capitalized. For example, Pope John II. But in my example, lowercase is recommended.
The fake AP news also won't focus on the illegal release of confidential information instead of our WH's ties to Russia. Checkmate.
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If the argument is it's a useless stat because no one plays 40 mins in a single game..that's valid..however I see per 100 posessions cited often by posters here..and doesnt the same thing apply? When is there ever 100 possessions in a game?
3 or 4 years ago a Providence player averaged more than 40 minutes a game due to overtimes.
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3 or 4 years ago a Providence player averaged more than 40 minutes a game due to overtimes.
Not quite over 40. Bryce Cotton averaged 39.9 mpg in 2012-2013. I think that was the year of the bat.
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My Pope is spelled with a capitol "P", Mr. Comma Correct.
At least we can finally agree punctuation matters.
I feel you're nuts.
I feel your nuts.
Nuff said.
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At least we can finally agree punctuation matters.
I feel you're nuts.
I feel your nuts.
Nuff said.
dis not example of punctuation, ainner?
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At least we can finally agree punctuation matters.
I feel you're nuts.
I feel your nuts.
Nuff said.
Lol.
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CLEAN IT UP!
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At least we can finally agree punctuation matters.
I feel you're nuts.
I feel your nuts.
Nuff said.
Somehow, there is a Mother Theresa joke in there. Ewwwww.
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dis not example of punctuation, ainner?
Speak English please.
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http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/05/09/mu-officially-announces-addition-ed-morrow/101462474/
Does nobody check for actual stories about actual players any more?
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What's most impressive about that article is that Matty V went to Morrow's teammate's workout with the Bucks to ask him about Ed. Great work.
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What's most impressive about that article is that Matty V went to Morrow's teammate's workout with the Bucks to ask him about Ed. Great work.
Matt is doing Buck's work now and is probably the heir to the newly retired beat guy for the Bucks, Charles Gardner. He was there for the Bucks. Still, good work.
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Gotcha--didn't know that. Thank you.
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Matt is doing Buck's work now and is probably the heir to the newly retired beat guy for the Bucks, Charles Gardner. He was there for the Bucks. Still, good work.
Sadly I'm guessing our days of Matty V are numbered. He's up there with Rosiak as a HOFer. Hopefully they hire another young and hungry beat guy for us and don't go the Enlund, Hunt route.
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Sadly I'm guessing our days of Matty V are numbered. He's up there with Rosiak as a HOFer. Hopefully they hire another young and hungry beat guy for us and don't go the Enlund, Hunt route.
Yup.
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http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/05/09/mu-officially-announces-addition-ed-morrow/101462474/
Does nobody check for actual stories about actual players any more?
Was going to post but didn't have a chance to earlier. Two Wojo quotes stood out to me with my remarks in blue:
"But in certain situations, as we told him when he was here, there are some teams in our league that are smaller and there may be a time when he's the biggest guy on the floor." So much for the narrative that Morrow doesn't want to play the 5. I know he said it, but, like I expected, occasionally playing the 5 is better than riding the bench.
"In terms of scholarship situations, obviously we're aware of them, but in today's day and age those things tend to work themselves out." Yep. Get a guard and Joey. And if Joey says no, get a guard and BPA. The rest will work itself out.
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Sadly I'm guessing our days of Matty V are numbered. He's up there with Rosiak as a HOFer. Hopefully they hire another young and hungry beat guy for us and don't go the Enlund, Hunt route.
Haven't you heard? Smuggles is gonna take over because, as he insists, Matt was a lousy reporter.
Smuggles might find out that there is more to reporting than pasting somebody else's report into a comment stream of a chat room, but he's got time to hone his craft. I mean, he perfected his Apple stock evaluation skills, didn't he?
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http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/05/09/mu-officially-announces-addition-ed-morrow/101462474/
Does nobody check for actual stories about actual players any more?
recruits no matta.
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http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/05/09/mu-officially-announces-addition-ed-morrow/101462474/
Does nobody check for actual stories about actual players any more?
I was just waiting for the article about his boot fitting, which is when MU recruits REALLY become official.
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Sadly I'm guessing our days of Matty V are numbered. He's up there with Rosiak as a HOFer. Hopefully they hire another young and hungry beat guy for us and don't go the Enlund, Hunt route.
To be fair there are almost no Enlund, Hunt types at any newspapers anymore (long in the tooth with visions of past glories in their eyes which made their "current" roles beneath them).
I think Matty V is an awesome reporter and its been great to have him but if he does move on, I would think another young and hungry reporter takes it up.
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I'm betting that Matty V will continue to cover MU hoops but will have to take over covering other teams also.
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I'm betting that Matty V will continue to cover MU hoops but will have to take over covering other teams also.
At this rate, by the end of next year he'll literally be writing the entire sports section, and probably branching out to the Cue section as well (or whatever they call it now).
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Matt is doing Buck's work now and is probably the heir to the newly retired beat guy for the Bucks, Charles Gardner. He was there for the Bucks. Still, good work.
Chitown, have you applied yet??????
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I'm betting that Matty V will continue to cover MU hoops but will have to take over covering other teams also.
I have to think Matty V becomes the Bucks #1 and a guy like Rosiak helps out with the Bucks beat. And as Eng03 pointed out MU will get a young guy.
If they really wanted to half @ss it, they could make Haudricourt (Brewers) do Nov - Jan and have Michael Cohen (youngest Packers) do Feb & Mar.
Another name to look it could be https://twitter.com/daveboehler
He's a free lancer now who covers select UWM games & Admirals Hockey for MJS.
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Pretty sure Cohen's crib is in Green Bay. Knot likely ta bee assigned to da Warriors. Wood bee nice to get a dude like him, 'cuz he's capable and duz a fine job, hey?
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If the JS follows the trend of the Charlotte Observer and many others, they won't hire full-time replacements but will instead go with freelance "stringers."
The Observer uses stringers for most UNC-Charlotte and Davidson sports (the only D1 universities in town), Triple-A baseball, local golf, most prep coverage and even sometimes the Hornets.
Charlotte is now the 17th largest city in the country and is one of the fastest-growing U.S. cities and the newspaper of record has exactly 6 full-time sportswriters: 2 Panthers, 1 Hornets, 1 columnist, 1 auto racing and 1 prep. The auto racing guy retired and hasn't been replaced yet. The Hornets guy must be ill or something because I haven't seen his byline in months; a stringer covered the last several games of the season.
Rough times for a hurtin' business.
So if Matt moves on to bigger and better things - and I hope he does, because he's earned it - he might not be replaced by a full-time sportswriter.
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If the JS follows the trend of the Charlotte Observer and many others, they won't hire full-time replacements but will instead go with freelance "stringers."
The Observer uses stringers for most UNC-Charlotte and Davidson sports (the only D1 universities in town), Triple-A baseball, local golf, most prep coverage and even sometimes the Hornets.
Charlotte is now the 17th largest city in the country and is one of the fastest-growing U.S. cities and the newspaper of record has exactly 6 full-time sportswriters: 2 Panthers, 1 Hornets, 1 columnist, 1 auto racing and 1 prep. The auto racing guy retired and hasn't been replaced yet. The Hornets guy must be ill or something because I haven't seen his byline in months; a stringer covered the last several games of the season.
Rough times for a hurtin' business.
So if Matt moves on to bigger and better things - and I hope he does, because he's earned it - he might not be replaced by a full-time sportswriter.
sportwriters no matta.
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ND sucks
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sportwriters no matta.
Yes, I was told that several years ago by the company that employed me!
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I asked Matt and he tweeted back that of right now nothing had changed
https://twitter.com/matt_velazquez/status/862865873073311744
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I asked Matt and he tweeted back that of right now nothing had changed
https://twitter.com/matt_velazquez/status/862865873073311744
Isn't putting MUScoop and panic in the same tweet the Office of Redundancy Office?
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Isn't putting MUScoop and panic in the same tweet the Office of Redundancy Office?
Well played!
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Actually, if Matty changes assignments he can join scoop nation as he won't have any conflict.
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Actually, if Matty changes assignments he can join scoop nation as he won't have any conflict.
Why would he do that to himself?
To paraphrase John Winger: "we're all dogfaces, we're all very, very different, but there is one thing that we all have in common: we were all stupid enough to join MUScoop. We're mutants. There's something wrong with us, something very, very wrong with us. Something seriously wrong with us - we're Scoopers."
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Why would he do that to himself?
To paraphrase John Winger: "we're all dogfaces, we're all very, very different, but there is one thing that we all have in common: we were all stupid enough to join MUScoop. We're mutants. There's something wrong with us, something very, very wrong with us. Something seriously wrong with us - we're Scoopers."
;D
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To paraphrase John Winger: "we're all dogfaces, we're all very, very different, but there is one thing that we all have in common: we were all stupid enough to join MUScoop. We're mutants. There's something wrong with us, something very, very wrong with us. Something seriously wrong with us - we're Scoopers."
"... But we're MU Scoopers. We've been kicking a$$ for 11 years! We are 19-13! Now, post what I post. And gif what I gif. And make me proud. FALL IN!"
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"... But we're MU Scoopers. We've been kicking a$$ for 11 years! We are 19-13! Now, post what I post. And gif what I gif. And make me proud. FALL IN!"
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Isn't putting MUScoop and panic in the same tweet the Office of Redundancy Office?
So true, my apologies :)
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So true, my apologies :)
Been hitting the mamajuana early today, eh??????
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Been hitting the mamajuana early today, eh??????
No, mucho vino last night doing some nice thick steaks on the BBQ. 8-)
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No, mucho vino last night doing some nice thick steaks on the BBQ. 8-)
Sounds like a good night.
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Every post is full of nonsense....is this an MU board or what???
WHAT ARE YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT????
I read through all this foolishness looking for MU basketball news and I am baffled at what I have to sift through here. Is this a social board?
Whose serious here!?
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Every post is full of nonsense....is this an MU board or what???
WHAT ARE YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT????
I read through all this foolishness looking for MU basketball news and I am baffled at what I have to sift through here. Is this a social board?
Whose serious here!?
Chill, it's this period called the offseason. Outside of the rare recruiting news there's not much to talk about. There's only so much you can talk about a 19win First round tournament blowout.
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Whose serious here!?
Who's vs. whose
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I mean, all the posts were about Morrow until like page 5. All the posts were about Marquette basketball until like page 11. That's probably a scoop record.
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Every post is full of nonsense....is this an MU board or what???
WHAT ARE YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT????
I read through all this foolishness looking for MU basketball news and I am baffled at what I have to sift through here. Is this a social board?
Whose serious here!?
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