2018 NFC North/NFL thread

[MerrittsMustache]

I mean come on.  Here's an idea Mike...perform.  If you perform well and win, none of this is going to matter.

Ding! Ding! Ding! If Glennon plays well, he gets to keep playing and get to keep making big money. Maybe for the Bears, maybe elsewhere. Perhaps he'll play well enough that the Bears can trade him after the season to recoup a couple of the draft picks traded for Trubisky...or at least I keep telling myself that.

Part of this is why the Trubisky pick was a terrible idea.....the media market in Chicago is going to eat both QBs alive at this point and it is going to make for an awful environment to develop either of them.

If the Bears had traded back and taken Trubisky, it's a relatively different thing because at least they haven't "gone all in" from a fan perspective like they did when they traded up one pick. They have now put a ton of pressure on everyone to meet expectations that I don't think anyone could meet.

If a QB can't handle media/fan scrutiny, he's not going to be a top-tier QB anyway.

[mu03eng]

You can't make personnel decisions based on the media market.

Sure you can, and you should. Maybe it isn't the determining factor but it better be part of the equation.

Half of Ryan Leaf's issues were because he couldn't handle the environment, same with Justin Blackmon. The league is littered with players who couldn't handle the spot light for various reasons. If Trubisky was a can't miss prospect the move makes sense, but he's not and now you are putting him in the most intense situation possible where every mistake or misstep is amplified by how much they gave up to get him.

I'm not saying don't make the move simply because of the media market.....but when you combine that with the holes in the team, what you had to give up, the uncertain nature of his talent, etc....none of it adds up to "please draft him and give up a bunch of value to do it."

[Dr. Blackheart]

Glennon isn't complaining about the competition, but the communication. Awkward to send your new free agent QB on the fan hype circuit (Wrigley, etc.), only to send him to the Bears Draft Party to be embarrassed and where the organization gets booed for their obvious dysfunction. Fox was mostly in the dark, marketing was in the dark, the press is skewering the QB pick AND the Glennon signing together, not just singularly (let's not forget Mark Sanchez as well to add to the cap spent on QB). Perception is reality.

These may be bold moves, but they also reinforce the Clown College in Lake Forest, and that Pace is in way over his head. Great organizations get all departments on the same page. The Bears are on 100 different pages.

[jesmu84]

Sure you can, and you should. Maybe it isn't the determining factor but it better be part of the equation.

Half of Ryan Leaf's issues were because he couldn't handle the environment, same with Justin Blackmon. The league is littered with players who couldn't handle the spot light for various reasons. If Trubisky was a can't miss prospect the move makes sense, but he's not and now you are putting him in the most intense situation possible where every mistake or misstep is amplified by how much they gave up to get him.

I'm not saying don't make the move simply because of the media market.....but when you combine that with the holes in the team, what you had to give up, the uncertain nature of his talent, etc....none of it adds up to "please draft him and give up a bunch of value to do it."

I'll probably get fried for this... but I'm pretty sure the best coach in NFL history (Belicheck) doesn't make his player personnel decisions with any sort of thought to the media

[GGGG]

Glennon isn't complaining about the competition, but the communication. Awkward to send your new free agent QB on the fan hype circuit (Wrigley, etc.), only to send him to the Bears Draft Party to be embarrassed and where the organization gets booed for their obvious dysfunction. Fox was mostly in the dark, marketing was in the dark, the press is skewering the QB pick AND the Glennon signing together, not just singularly (let's not forget Mark Sanchez as well to add to the cap spent on QB). Perception is reality.

These may be bold moves, but they also reinforce the Clown College in Lake Forest, and that Pace is in way over his head. Great organizations get all departments on the same page. The Bears are on 100 different pages.

I understand the Bears are dysfunctional for many of the reasons you state.

But how they have treated Mike Glennon isn't one of them.  The marketing department had no idea who the Bears were considering drafting.  Nor should they.  Maybe they shouldn't have a draft party with current players at all - just invite the alums.  (I mean Steve McMichael is always up for a good time.)

Or maybe Mike Glennon needs to understand that he is an unproven quarterback who was just given $18 million guaranteed, and that ripping on the organization that just gave you that contract is probably a dumb idea.

[Jockey]

I'll probably get fried for this... but I'm pretty sure the best coach in NFL history (Belicheck) doesn't make his player personnel decisions with any sort of thought to the media

GMs who make decisions on anything other than improving their team get fired.

[Jockey]

Or maybe Mike Glennon needs to understand that he is an unproven quarterback who was just given $18 million guaranteed, and that ripping on the organization that just gave you that contract is probably a dumb idea.

I have not seen anything where Glennon ripped the Bears.

As a matter of fact, I can't find any comments made to the media by Glennon about the draft. Could you provide a link?

[GGGG]

I have not seen anything where Glennon ripped the Bears.

As a matter of fact, I can't find any comments made to the media by Glennon about the draft. Could you provide a link?

You are correct.  Everything is second hand relayed to reporters.

He still should shut up about it.

[MerrittsMustache]

Glennon isn't complaining about the competition, but the communication. Awkward to send your new free agent QB on the fan hype circuit (Wrigley, etc.), only to send him to the Bears Draft Party to be embarrassed and where the organization gets booed for their obvious dysfunction. Fox was mostly in the dark, marketing was in the dark, the press is skewering the QB pick AND the Glennon signing together, not just singularly (let's not forget Mark Sanchez as well to add to the cap spent on QB). Perception is reality.

These may be bold moves, but they also reinforce the Clown College in Lake Forest, and that Pace is in way over his head. Great organizations get all departments on the same page. The Bears are on 100 different pages.

The Bears kept their desire to take Trubisky completely under wraps. Why would they risk that to let the marketing department know?

Also, I don't think anyone is skewering the pick by itself. If the Bears stood pat and took Trubisky at 3, it would have been a surprise but wouldn't have been viewed in the same way that it's currently being viewed. The shock comes from unnecessarily giving up 4 picks to move up 1 spot when you have a team with some glaring holes and a deep draft class. I tend to think that Pace got so excited about keeping The Trubisky Plan quiet that he just HAD to trade up to make sure that everything worked out just as he wanted.

Also, the reports about John Fox not knowing about the pick are false. That rumor has been debunked by Chris Mortensen and several Chicago reporters.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Sure you can, and you should. Maybe it isn't the determining factor but it better be part of the equation.

Half of Ryan Leaf's issues were because he couldn't handle the environment, same with Justin Blackmon. The league is littered with players who couldn't handle the spot light for various reasons. If Trubisky was a can't miss prospect the move makes sense, but he's not and now you are putting him in the most intense situation possible where every mistake or misstep is amplified by how much they gave up to get him.

I'm not saying don't make the move simply because of the media market.....but when you combine that with the holes in the team, what you had to give up, the uncertain nature of his talent, etc....none of it adds up to "please draft him and give up a bunch of value to do it."

It be a factor in your evaluation but in no way do I think it should be a major or determining factor. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

The Bears kept their desire to take Trubisky completely under wraps. Why would they risk that to let the marketing department know?

Also, I don't think anyone is skewering the pick by itself. If the Bears stood pat and took Trubisky at 3, it would have been a surprise but wouldn't have been viewed in the same way that it's currently being viewed. The shock comes from unnecessarily giving up 4 picks to move up 1 spot when you have a team with some glaring holes and a deep draft class. I tend to think that Pace got so excited about keeping The Trubisky Plan quiet that he just HAD to trade up to make sure that everything worked out just as he wanted.

Also, the reports about John Fox not knowing about the pick are false. That rumor has been debunked by Chris Mortensen and several Chicago reporters.

Was it likely Trubisky would have been there at 3?  Possibly.  Maybe even probably.  But there is just no way to know for sure.  Why so many people think that it was a certainty I just don't understand.

[MerrittsMustache]

Was it likely Trubisky would have been there at 3?  Possibly.  Maybe even probably.  But there is just no way to know for sure.  Why so many people think that it was a certainty I just don't understand.

There have been ZERO reports out there identifying other teams who were looking to trade up to #2.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

There have been ZERO reports out there identifying other teams who were looking to trade up to #2.

False.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/01/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-room-bears-trade-reuben-foster-peter-king

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

False.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/01/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-room-bears-trade-reuben-foster-peter-king

I'm sure there were teams interested in the second pick. Methinks the bears were the only team interested in the 2nd pick for trubisky. But who knows?

In the end it comes down to one thing.  If trubisky becomes a franchise qb it was a good move.   If Trubisky becomes another in a long line of meh Chicago qbs,  it was dumb. My money is on dumb.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't really understand this story line at all.  It's Mike Glennon who at best has been a mediocre quarterback in the NFL.  Since when should his job be considered "safe?"  And the people inviting players to the draft party have no idea what the people conducting the draft are doing.  You think Ryan Pace is clearing the invite list?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/report-mike-glennon-feels-cheated-on-after-mitchell-trubisky-pick/

I mean come on.  Here's an idea Mike...perform.  If you perform well and win, none of this is going to matter.

Most of the article is nonsense,  but trading up to draft a rookie qb definitely does send a message to the incumbent and not a positive one. Ever seen draft day?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I'm sure there were teams interested in the second pick. Methinks the bears were the only team interested in the 2nd pick for trubisky. But who knows?

In the end it comes down to one thing.  If trubisky becomes a franchise qb it was a good move.   If Trubisky becomes another in a long line of meh Chicago qbs,  it was dumb. My money is on dumb.

Agreed, although I won't pass judgment on Trubisky yet. 

[Jockey]

You are correct.  Everything is second hand relayed to reporters.

He still should shut up about it.

So you don't think he should talk about his feelings to his friends? Isn't that what friends are for?

You are telling him to shut up to his friends

[Jockey]

The Bears kept their desire to take Trubisky completely under wraps. Why would they risk that to let the marketing department know?

Also, I don't think anyone is skewering the pick by itself. If the Bears stood pat and took Trubisky at 3, it would have been a surprise but wouldn't have been viewed in the same way that it's currently being viewed. The shock comes from unnecessarily giving up 4 picks to move up 1 spot when you have a team with some glaring holes and a deep draft class. I tend to think that Pace got so excited about keeping The Trubisky Plan quiet that he just HAD to trade up to make sure that everything worked out just as he wanted.

Also, the reports about John Fox not knowing about the pick are false. That rumor has been debunked by Chris Mortensen and several Chicago reporters.

I pretty much agree with you. Pace thinks this is his guy and put his career on the line for it. I guess that is admirable. Did he give up too much? Who knows. None of us know what other offers the 49ers were receiving for the pick.

But the bottom line is this. Trubisky has to be, at minimum, a multi-year Pro-Bowler or else this draft will be the poster child for every case study on worst draft ever.

If Trubisky fails and the TE turns out to be the White Supremicist that he brags to be, well..........

[MerrittsMustache]

False.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/01/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-room-bears-trade-reuben-foster-peter-king

Where in that story was another team identified?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Where in that story was another team identified?

No nerves, but no pleasantries either. Marathe, who talks very fast and with great confidence, called another team with interest in the second slot and said, "We got some good action on the pick." Marathe talked to the club official (he would not disclose the official, or the team) for maybe a minute, just to crystallize that if Garrett was there at two, the Niners would either pick or take a ransom for the pick.

[MerrittsMustache]

That's not actually IDing another team. That's saying that another team contacted the 49ers about the pick, which is not at all unusual for just about every pick. There's been no indication that anyone was willing to give up anything close to what the Bears gave up nor any indication as to what other team was seriously considering trading up.

Trubisky was going to be there at 3.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

That's not actually IDing another team. That's saying that another team contacted the 49ers about the pick, which is not at all unusual for just about every pick. There's been no indication that anyone was willing to give up anything close to what the Bears gave up nor any indication as to what other team was seriously considering trading up.

Trubisky was going to be there at 3.

Oh I agree. I'm just pointing out what was being referenced.

[mu03eng]

It be a factor in your evaluation but in no way do I think it should be a major or determining factor.

To each their own, but some times the how matters and not just the what

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Where in that story was another team identified?

What does that matter?  Unless you are calling Lynch, etc. liars, there was at least one other team interested in the pick.  Maybe that team was interested in Trubisky or maybe not - but it is certainly possible. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

That's not actually IDing another team. That's saying that another team contacted the 49ers about the pick, which is not at all unusual for just about every pick. There's been no indication that anyone was willing to give up anything close to what the Bears gave up nor any indication as to what other team was seriously considering trading up.

Trubisky was going to be there at 3.