Who are you rooting for, Final 4 version

[Jay Bee]

Are you kidding me? UNC misses four FTs and then goes all Seton Hall v Marquette on the glass?

Fun fact, the over under was 153...final score 153. Vegas cleaned up.

FTsNoMatta

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Both winning teams scored 77 tonight.  How about that?

[brewcity77]

FTsNoMatta

They did to Vegas.

[AZMarqfan]

Brewcity, how do you know Vegas cleaned up?  They pushed the wagers.  Was the vast majority of the money on UNDER, meaning Vegas got lucky?

[AZMarqfan]

I mean..on the over?

[brewcity77]

Brewcity, how do you know Vegas cleaned up?  They pushed the wagers.  Was the vast majority of the money on UNDER, meaning Vegas got lucky?

On a push, Vegas cleans up because they get their percentage and don't have to pay winners.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Hope wojo is watching south Carolina play. He needs plenty of pointers on coaching defense.

I'm getting kinda sick of this. Yes we were bad on defense this year. But we were also incredible on offense. Wojo maxed the roster he had with the pieces that were available this year. We've upgraded the talent and win total every year he's been here, and I see that trend continuing. We have new pieces coming in that I think fit Wojo's plan/system better than what is leaving. In my view, Wojo has taken a patient, long term approach to roster/prorgam building, and it is starting to pay off. Yes it was painful getting here, but those continuing to whine are gonna look real dumb pretty soon.

[jsglow]

On a push, Vegas cleans up because they get their percentage and don't have to pay winners.

Exactly. We were there one year when some major bet on the Super Bowl pushed.  Mint for the casinos.  All the commissions, none of the payout.

[rocky_warrior]

You guys must understand something I don't about a push.  In a push everybody gets their money back.  Nobody gets more than they bet, but they also don't get less.  How does that benefit a casino more than a win? 

[jsglow]

You guys must understand something I don't about a push.  In a push everybody gets their money back.  Nobody gets more than they bet, but they also don't get less.  How does that benefit a casino more than a win?

I suppose I misspoke.  What it means is that the casino doesn't have ANY dog in the fight (and thus be on the winning or losing side in that specific bet which they invariably always do because the dollars on each side are never perfectly even).  So it's simply collecting the commission without having to make any unintended wager on their part.  All reward, no risk.  Priceless.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

You guys must understand something I don't about a push.  In a push everybody gets their money back.  Nobody gets more than they bet, but they also don't get less.  How does that benefit a casino more than a win?

The casino gets paid a commission on all bets. This is known as "the rake."  When there is a push, a $10 bet actually gets back slightly less than $10.  How much depends on the rake.  A 3% commission pays back $9.70 on a $10 bet that pushes.

[rocky_warrior]

I suppose I misspoke.  What it means is that the casino doesn't have ANY dog in the fight (and thus be on the winning or losing side in that specific bet which they invariably always do because the dollars on each side are never perfectly even).  So it's simply collecting the commission without having to make any unintended wager on their part.  All reward, no risk.  Priceless.

OK, yes, that makes more sense.

[muwarrior69]

So what are the odds for tomorrows game. I like the Zags; they pass the eye test for me.

[warriorchick]

So what are the odds for tomorrows game. I like the Zags; they pass the eye test for me.

Yep, they definitely played better yesterday than the Tarheels.

[brewcity77]

So what are the odds for tomorrows game. I like the Zags; they pass the eye test for me.

Vegas odds opened at UNC -2.5, Pomeroy model has Zags by 4. Looks like the Vegas line has dropped to -1.5, so early betting is in for the Zags.

As far as game analysis, Gonzaga is one of the few teams with the strength up front (Karnowski, Collins, Williams) to keep UNC off the offensive glass and I've no idea how Berry, gimpy as he is, can keep up with Williams-Goss.

Maybe I'm looking through Jesuit goggles, but I'd give the edge to the Zags.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Six of the last nine NCAA championship games have now included a Big East or AAC remnant (mid major to the Elites). This includes four national championships. If the Zags get there as a mid, seven out of ten or five out of ten NCs if all the way.

For the money spent on football, one would expect better. The BIG hasn't won since 2000, the PAC since 1997.

Seven out of last ten championship games now with a "mid-major" in it. Go Zags!

#power5nomatta

[AZMarqfan]

Brewcity77 et al, you don't get sports wagering.  Whether I bet $100 on under or over, I get my money back on a push.  They collect no Juice!  Same goes for blackjack, baccarat, etc.  However, given the line movements, I'll bet Vegas lost quite a bit on the over.  The line started lower and moved up.  I attached the MGM casinos line movements. 

[GGGG]

Article on Dan Monson and Mark Few.  Very cool.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19061143/dan-monson-one-started-all-gonzaga-including-mark-ever-forget-that

[Lennys Tap]

Brewcity77 et al, you don't get sports wagering.  Whether I bet $100 on under or over, I get my money back on a push.  They collect no Juice!  Same goes for blackjack, baccarat, etc.  However, given the line movements, I'll bet Vegas lost quite a bit on the over.  The line started lower and moved up.  I attached the MGM casinos line movements.

You and Rocky are right, Brew, Lazar, etc. are wrong. No vig or "rake" on a push. 100% of the money wagered is returned to the bettor.

[rocket surgeon]

On a push, Vegas cleans up because they get their percentage and don't have to pay winners.

they get all the juice at 153. no chicken dinners.  the over/under really fluctuated as well.  at 153.5, 55% bet over according to odds shark.  all depends on where ya bought in

[Lennys Tap]

they get all the juice at 153. no chicken dinners.  the over/under really fluctuated as well.  at 153.5, 55% bet over according to odds shark.  all depends on where ya bought in

Wrong. They get zero juice on a push. All the money wagered is returned to the bettors.

[wadesworld]

Wrong. They get zero juice on a push. All the money wagered is returned to the bettors.

But will 100% of the people who made a bet on the over/under redeem their "winnings" (or just money back)?

[wadesworld]

Vegas odds opened at UNC -2.5, Pomeroy model has Zags by 4. Looks like the Vegas line has dropped to -1.5, so early betting is in for the Zags.

As far as game analysis, Gonzaga is one of the few teams with the strength up front (Karnowski, Collins, Williams) to keep UNC off the offensive glass and I've no idea how Berry, gimpy as he is, can keep up with Williams-Goss.

Maybe I'm looking through Jesuit goggles, but I'd give the edge to the Zags.

Even if Berry 100% healthy UNC would be really dumb to not have Pinson or Jackson on Williams-Goss.

And for as much as people are saying Gonzaga is the one team that has the strength up front to give UNC trouble, UNC has seen big boys in the ACC all year.  Gonzaga is the team that hasn't seen the size and strength of a team like UNC all year.  Every time I watch them when they get in trouble they just lob a ball into a double teamed Karnowski or Collins, a 3rd defender goes to triple, and they finish over the top anyway (or, against Xavier, kick it to a wide open 3 point shooter).

I think Pinson/Jackson gives Williams-Goss fits, Collins struggles with UNC's strength, Karnowski struggles to keep up with the pace of UNC, and UNC wins this one by 6 or 8.

[brewcity77]

You and Rocky are right, Brew, Lazar, etc. are wrong. No vig or "rake" on a push. 100% of the money wagered is returned to the bettor.

This is right, handled differently by a local...erm...gambling aficionado.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Wrong. They get zero juice on a push. All the money wagered is returned to the bettors.

Well I stand corrected.