Hubris

[Galway Eagle]

Respectfully disagree.  The only year in the entire decade when we had a winning record in which we didn't go to the NCAA or NIT was 1992-93.  That team was 16-13, that is not a firmly on the bubble team.  According to this site, that team was ranked 121st.  Not NIT worthy either.  http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/1992-schedule.html

You're thinking of 91-92, we made the tournament in 92-93

[B. McBannerson]

You're thinking of 91-92, we made the tournament in 92-93

Yes, thank you.  I linked the correct season, but typed the wrong year.  Will fix it.

[frozena pizza]

There is something wrong with college basketball.  It isn't as good as it used to be.  Neither of us are kidding ourselves there.  But the criteria is who is good enough this year, not comparing to what college teams were like 20 years ago or even 10 years ago.  Is there a single college basketball expert or rating system that says we are out?

There is more parity than there has even been, which is a good thing for the sport and what makes the tournament so much fun.  Yes, we're 19-12 but we've also shown that we can beat the best team in the country on the right night.

[frozena pizza]

I hate the play in round and will be pissed if we end up there.  They should either leave the tournament at 64, do a full expansion to 96 and give higher seeds byes, or have play ins at 15/16 seed level and let more at large teams in.  The current system makes no sense.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I hate the play in round and will be pissed if we end up there.  They should either leave the tournament at 64, do a full expansion to 96 and give higher seeds byes, or have play ins at 15/16 seed level and let more at large teams in.  The current system makes no sense.

I hear you but this year I will take what we can get.

Then again it will stink to pick "play in winner" to the sweet 16 for my unrealistic MU pick

[wadesworld]

Calling Keefe a "troll" for expressing concern is so odd. Do you think Our athletic department is already making travel plans? I sincerely doubt it. Maybe Velasquez was trolling when he tweeted about Sunday being a "long day" for Marquette.

We all hope we get in. I'd be surprised and disappointed if we don't. We are not "a lock."

Considering there is no way possible to know where we will be playing next week, I would hope our athletic department isn't booking hotels anywhere right now.

[mujivitz06]

Really ironic the keefe is the one talking about hubris.

+1

[wadesworld]

Maybe you're right.  Maybe this explains my fear that MU's name will not be called on Sunday.

In any case, if MU has to play in Dayton, that is a truly a travesty that would have likely been avoided had MU beaten the Hall in the BE tourney.

I hate the play-in round.  I am probably alone in this, but if a team goes to Dayton and loses, there should be an asterisk next to that team's name as a team that "almost" made the tourrney.  Dayton, as I see it, is like a Wild Card play-in game: yes you technically made the post-season, but no you technically didn't make the post-season.

A travesty?  Come on...

[wadesworld]

This is all interesting but if someone could just tell me if I'm supposed to root for Xavier or Creighton tonight then I can stop reading.  I'm thinking Xavier because that means the Big East almost certainly gets 7 bids but if X makes the final do they move ahead of us in seeding?

Xavier is in, but behind us with an opportunity to jump us in seeding.  Creighton is ahead of us regardless.  So we want Creighton.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Perhaps besides a troll thread, there can be a Debbie Downer thread, or Negative Nancy thread, or "Frequent Irrational amounts of anticipatory fear" thread or "Overreact to every not ideal outcome" thread

Good idea. I will add threads for the "Slurpers", "Fellatiors", "Teabaggers" and "Murky Middlers" too. Then we can give each other a "Wisconsin Handshake".

[Benny B]

Considering there is no way possible to know where we will be playing next week, I would hope our athletic department isn't booking hotels anywhere right now.

Hell, I have 7 hotels booked right now.  Just have to make sure I cancel 6 of them before Wednesday afternoon.

[wadesworld]

I hear you but this year I will take what we can get.

Then again it will stink to pick "play in winner" to the sweet 16 for my unrealistic MU pick

Well we have already seen a play in winner make a Final Four, so...

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

People feel that the 20 win plateau is an important one , whether actual or psychological. 
Hopefully, all marquette fans know that mike broeker and the basketball office only scheduled marquette for 30 regular season games this year, despite the ncaa allowing us 31.  Would another victory help us right about now?  I sure think so.  This coupled with the pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is really beyond pathetic.  It is My hope that all mu alums reach out to our AD and mike broeker and express their dissatisfaction with the disservice they did for this team.

[🏀]

Looks like Scoop is boiling down into to categories:

1. Those that believe MU is dancing based off of projections that are loudly in MU's favor.

2. Those that believe MU is not dancing based off of the 'eye test' by not beating SH yesterday.


You should be in the first category, the second category is a bad look.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

My hope that all mu alums reach out to our AD and mike broeker and express their dissatisfaction with the disservice they did for this team.

Yes!  About time for a Scoop letter writing campaign.  Also let's get the Fan Advisory Council on this too!

[🏀]

People feel that the 20 win plateau is an important one , whether actual or psychological. 
Hopefully, all marquette fans know that mike broeker and the basketball office only scheduled marquette for 30 regular season games this year, despite the ncaa allowing us 31.  Would another victory help us right about now?  I sure think so.  This coupled with the pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is really beyond pathetic.  It is My hope that all mu alums reach out to our AD and mike broeker and express their dissatisfaction with the disservice they did for this team.

This narrative again? Hasn't brew destroyed this already, several times.

[Goose]

Frenns

For whatever reason this season I have seen more attacks than previous years. It is funny, I know I piss some folks off on here, but never felt attacks towards me were meant to be hurtful or personal. That to say, this year it seems to be personal and a pissing match. Really takes away any interest in sharing opinions or asking questions.

Cracks me up, a couple times on this thread I was mentioned implying I thought MU would not get a bid. I never said anything of the sort and only stated a win yesterday would have been a great help in making Sunday less stressful. Would be nice if folks read posts before assuming things.

[fjm]

Frenns

For whatever reason this season I have seen more attacks than previous years. It is funny, I know I piss some folks off on here, but never felt attacks towards me were meant to be hurtful or personal. That to say, this year it seems to be personal and a pissing match. Really takes away any interest in sharing opinions or asking questions.

Cracks me up, a couple times on this thread I was mentioned implying I thought MU would not get a bid. I never said anything of the sort and only stated a win yesterday would have been a great help in making Sunday less stressful. Would be nice if folks read posts before assuming things.

I don't know that it is "attacks" per say goose.
But some posters are so negative and are constantly degrading either Wojo, the program, or a single player (see sandknitwit) that it is tiring. Yes. Everyone is welcome to their opinion! But a constant negative narriative is exactly that, constantly negative. People want to talk basketball yet some want to talk how crappy everything is all the time with a negative tone.

Also, I believe someone said if MU played in Dayton it would be a travesty.
Serious question: would you rather play in Dayton or in the NIT?

[mu_hilltopper]

Sweet fancy moses.

The most significant evidence that MU is NOT making the tournament is this thread .. it could only happen in the off-season.

[wadesworld]

People feel that the 20 win plateau is an important one , whether actual or psychological. 
Hopefully, all marquette fans know that mike broeker and the basketball office only scheduled marquette for 30 regular season games this year, despite the ncaa allowing us 31.  Would another victory help us right about now?  I sure think so.  This coupled with the pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is really beyond pathetic.  It is My hope that all mu alums reach out to our AD and mike broeker and express their dissatisfaction with the disservice they did for this team.

So wait, we had a "pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is beyond pathetic"...but you want more "pathetic buy games" to get us to some meaningless number of wins?

Hmm...

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Sweet fancy moses.

The most significant evidence that MU is NOT making the tournament is this thread .. it could only happen in the off-season.

Must be a precipice Hilltopper-- might as well bring back the politics board and burn this season to the ground.

[Goose]

fjm

I am much more of a big picture guy. Play in at Dayton or NIT are both better than nothing. Much more interested in seeing positive trajectory next season than what happens this weekend. Hope they have success, but hoping for "real" success moving forward.

[fjm]

fjm

I am much more of a big picture guy. Play in at Dayton or NIT are both better than nothing. Much more interested in seeing positive trajectory next season than what happens this weekend. Hope they have success, but hoping for "real" success moving forward.

Very fair!

And Goose, I appreciate that you personalize your responses. I don't always agree with you, but I must say, you're a stand up man.

[frozena pizza]

So wait, we had a "pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is beyond pathetic"...but you want more "pathetic buy games" to get us to some meaningless number of wins?

Hmm...

Exactly.  Pretty sure Boeker understands that any OOC game that will be a sure fire win for us in November is going to be against a sub-200 RPI team and that extra victory will actually drop our RPI and SOS and hurt our tournament chances.  Then god forbid we lose and sticks with us all the way to March 12.

[skianth16]

But some posters are so negative and are constantly degrading either Wojo, the program, or a single player (see sandknitwit) that it is tiring.

I think we can all agree that trashing the players is a bad look. Sure, there will be complaints about effort or bad decisions, but to make it about anything beyond that goes too far, in most cases. Gripes about Wojo might annoy some, but he earned his fair share of criticism this year. He's young and learning, and as a result, he'll make mistakes, get outcoached, and lose some games that a more veteran coach likely wouldn't have.

The people that were worried about this season and even the state of the program after some especially bad losses like St John's and Georgetown had every right to be upset. Those games were huge disappointments. And if a win over Nova can be viewed as steps in the right direction, then a bad loss can just as easily be viewed as steps backward. 

Some people vent here, some people celebrate here. It is what it is. But the constant bickering about what should and shouldn't be said here is obnoxious. It's far worse than negative opinions or overly rosey opinions.