Hubris

[GGGG]

Vinnie, sill must be sleepy.  X beat Butler.

Yep.  Corrected.  Thanks.

[slack00]

After the Georgetown game, a LOT of people thought MU needed to win 4 more games between the 5 remaining regular season games and the BET to get into the tournament.  They did.  Some of those same people still think MU is out of the tournament. 

These are your trolls.


http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53501.0;all

[GGGG]

Despite what I posted above, I do see how Marquette could be playing in Dayton however.

If the committee values RPI more than other metrics, and if MSU, Xavier, Vandy keep winning, it is very possible that we will be playing early next week.  Right now I put the chance at 35%.

But I only put it at about 5% that we are out entirely.

[UticaBusBarn]

"It is only hubris if you fail." J. Cesare

[warriorchick]

Thinking that Marquette is going to make the tournament doesn't take nearly as much hubris as posting nude photos of your fellow Marines on social media even after you have been busted.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/marines-united-photos-investigation/

[mu_hilltopper]

Yes, yes, Marquette is in the dance.

I mean, to miss it now is like being up 9 points with 50 seconds to go, then losing!

Stuff like that never happens to MU.

[fjm]

Yes, yes, Marquette is in the dance.

I mean, to miss it now is like being up 9 points with 50 seconds to go, then losing!

Stuff like that never happens to MU.

Ha! 

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Yes, yes, Marquette is in the dance.

I mean, to miss it now is like being up 9 points with 50 seconds to go, then losing!

Stuff like that never happens to MU.

So doable?

[RushmoreAcademy]

I'm not going to get worried about making it until I start seeing all the cryptic donedeal haikus.

[B. McBannerson]

Nobody wants Marquette to Dance more than I. But I am astonished at the presumption of many that we are guaranteed a spot in the Tourney.

Frankly, there is a very real chance we won't hear our name called on Sunday. Today was important and we failed to answer the call. I want Marquette to make the Show but know that we might very well we disappointed.

Can you or Goose point to a single college basketball expert that says we are not in?  All fans are doing is responding to the information given, what they see (the eye test), what the numbers tell us.  We all learned in November that anything can happen, but this isn't an act of Hubris.  Fans are nervous, uptight, but the unanimous consensus is we go to the dance.  Even the November election there were some (few) pundits that picked the eventual winner, but there are no such experts that say we are not in.  Not that I can find anyway. 

[B. McBannerson]

We were pretty sure, that you know who, was a lock based on scientific polling to be our current President and we all know how that turned out.

A crow in hand is worth two in the bush.

Even then, there were those that said he would win in the last few days.  Can anyone here name as single college basketball expert that says MU is not in the tournament?

[CreanLover]

Calling Keefe a "troll" for expressing concern is so odd. Do you think Our athletic department is already making travel plans? I sincerely doubt it. Maybe Velasquez was trolling when he tweeted about Sunday being a "long day" for Marquette.

We all hope we get in. I'd be surprised and disappointed if we don't. We are not "a lock."

[skianth16]

After the Georgetown game, a LOT of people thought MU needed to win 4 more games between the 5 remaining regular season games and the BET to get into the tournament.  They did.  Some of those same people still think MU is out of the tournament. 

These are your trolls.


http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53501.0;all

Can we get to a point where we don't assume that someone who disagrees with us is a troll? Having a 19 win season does leave room for doubt, even though most predictions have us in. That's a reasonable opinion. Some people are more prone to pessimism, some to optimism, regardless of the facts in front of them.

It's posts like this that make Scoop unreadable, IMO. This board becomes a pissing match (for lack of a better term) way too often. It's tiring to read posts of people trying to one-up each other instead of talking about basketball.

[Goose]

4or5

Where did I say we were not in? I simply stated the odds got slightly smaller after yesterdays game. I think if you 100% believe a 19-12 is a lock there is something wrong with college basketball or you are kidding yourself. Again, they very likely are in and I hope they are in.

[GGGG]

Keefe is not a troll.  Trolls are people who say something for the sake of affect.  MUFINY is a troll.

Keefe isn't even in the same boat as people who only show up here when things are bad.  Like the Dark Glasses guy.  Or hotdog. Etc, etc, etc.  Those guys are annoying because they are always negative and only bother participating in the community when they have something negative to say.  I don't pay much attention to those kind of people in real life, so I'm not going to pay attention to them now.

Keefe is merely a condescending assbag. 

[shoothoops]

Perhaps besides a troll thread, there can be a Debbie Downer thread, or Negative Nancy thread, or "Frequent Irrational amounts of anticipatory fear" thread or "Overreact to every not ideal outcome" thread

[Eldon]

Yes, yes, Marquette is in the dance.

I mean, to miss it now is like being up 9 points with 50 seconds to go, then losing!

Stuff like that never happens to MU.

Exactly. 

Count the chickens once they hatch.  Almost every year there is some snub a la "what?!? we didn't get into the Dance, but they did?!?!?"  Off the top of my head, Temple, Virginia Tech, and Florida State come to mind (going back to the past 5-10 years or so) as teams that had "their bid" stolen ("stolen") by some seemingly less-deserving team.

[B. McBannerson]

I have to agree.

There was one year in the early to mid 90's when we were firmly on the bubble. Not only did we get left out, the NIT snubbed us, too. I pray we don't have a repeat.

Respectfully disagree.  The only year in the entire decade when we had a winning record in which we didn't go to the NCAA or NIT was 1991-92.  That team was 16-13, that is not a firmly on the bubble team.  According to this site, that team was ranked 121st.  Not NIT worthy either.  http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/1992-schedule.html

[B. McBannerson]

4or5

Where did I say we were not in? I simply stated the odds got slightly smaller after yesterdays game. I think if you 100% believe a 19-12 is a lock there is something wrong with college basketball or you are kidding yourself. Again, they very likely are in and I hope they are in.

There is something wrong with college basketball.  It isn't as good as it used to be.  Neither of us are kidding ourselves there.  But the criteria is who is good enough this year, not comparing to what college teams were like 20 years ago or even 10 years ago.  Is there a single college basketball expert or rating system that says we are out? 

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

We were pretty sure, that you know who, was a lock based on scientific polling to be our current President and we all know how that turned out.

A crow in hand is worth two in the bush.

There are no electoral votes for spots in the NCAA tourney that I am aware of, else the Presidential Polls were spot on.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Keefe is not a troll.  Trolls are people who say something for the sake of affect.  MUFINY is a troll.

Keefe is merely a condescending assbag.

When did it become cool to attack people here?

[Eldon]

Left unsaid here is perspective. Because of the new NBA CBA, many left early in the past couple of years to cash in who may not have been ready, depleting the college ranks of young talent. Transfers and graduate transfers moved from mid and low majors up to fill voids. Result, no clear elite teams, softest bubble in years, no bevy of bid stealers, a lot of parity/mediocrity.

Constrast that with MU tradionalists posting here, who don't see a NCAA quality team.

End of the day, MU is in, as imperfect as it is. Embrace it.

Maybe you're right.  Maybe this explains my fear that MU's name will not be called on Sunday.

In any case, if MU has to play in Dayton, that is a truly a travesty that would have likely been avoided had MU beaten the Hall in the BE tourney.

I hate the play-in round.  I am probably alone in this, but if a team goes to Dayton and loses, there should be an asterisk next to that team's name as a team that "almost" made the tourrney.  Dayton, as I see it, is like a Wild Card play-in game: yes you technically made the post-season, but no you technically didn't make the post-season.

[slack00]

Can we get to a point where we don't assume that someone who disagrees with us is a troll? Having a 19 win season does leave room for doubt, even though most predictions have us in. That's a reasonable opinion. Some people are more prone to pessimism, some to optimism, regardless of the facts in front of them.

It's posts like this that make Scoop unreadable, IMO. This board becomes a pissing match (for lack of a better term) way too often. It's tiring to read posts of people trying to one-up each other instead of talking about basketball.

I was actually agreeing with him.  The original poster was not in that thread. 

[frozena pizza]

This is all interesting but if someone could just tell me if I'm supposed to root for Xavier or Creighton tonight then I can stop reading.  I'm thinking Xavier because that means the Big East almost certainly gets 7 bids but if X makes the final do they move ahead of us in seeding?

[B. McBannerson]

Exactly. 

Count the chickens once they hatch.  Almost every year there is some snub a la "what?!? we didn't get into the Dance, but they did?!?!?"  Off the top of my head, Temple, Virginia Tech, and Florida State come to mind (going back to the past 5-10 years or so) as teams that had "their bid" stolen ("stolen") by some seemingly less-deserving team.

And all those teams were considered last four in going into the conference tournaments.  We don't sit in that situation.