Need some honest thoughts here

[tower912]

Holy crap, that was 4ever?!?!?!?   Recognizable as English, punctuation, capitalization, coherent.   Feeling a little unsettled.

[4everwarriors]

Yeah dudes, i'm pissed. Winter sucks donkey balls 'round here wen Warrior hoops blow, ai na?

[keefe]

Keefe

I wish everyone on here knew MU ball history and had expectations for the future as Lenny does. He's in my Scoop HOF.

Joe

There are a handful of us who have been involved in the program actively since the Glory Years. You and Lenny are in that group and have a keen appreciation for what basketball means for the university.

We have expectations and they are far from being met. And as we both know, there is increasing frustration within the core cadre of backers who make Marquette hoops run. This season has been a major disappointment. The off season will come early once again and it will be interesting to see what transpires.

[keefe]

Goose -

Everybody has high hopes.

But not high expectations.

Big difference.

Anyone harboring hopes for this team is absurdly delusional. Until very recently we expected to run roughshod over the St John's and Providence's of the world. Now, every game is a crapshoot.

When you go into combat you look to destroy the enemy with extreme prejudice. Anything less than that is unacceptable. The current coach has not instilled that killer instinct in his team.

[withoutbias]

Joe

There are a handful of us who have been involved in the program actively since the Glory Years. You and Lenny are in that group and have a keen appreciation for what basketball means for the university.

We have expectations and they are far from being met. And as we both know, there is increasing frustration within the core cadre of backers who make Marquette hoops run. This season has been a major disappointment. The off season will come early once again and it will be interesting to see what transpires.

You know less than what you want other people to believe you know if you think anything might "transpire" this offseason or if you think people who make those decisions are unhappy with the direction of the program.

For people who are so well traveled and claim to be super tough bad boys there sure is a lot of whining coming from some posters about a child's game played by 17-22 year old kids.

Many people whining about a lack of toughness on the team. Oh the irony.

[keefe]

You know less than what you want other people to believe you know if you think anything might "transpire" this offseason or if you think people who make those decisions are unhappy with the direction of the program.

For people who are so well traveled and claim to be super tough bad boys there sure is a lot of whining coming from some posters about a child's game played by 17-22 year old kids.

Many people whining about a lack of toughness on the team. Oh the irony.

Whining?

Hardly. This team is not competitive. And the program is mired in mediocrity.

And there are people very unhappy with this season.

[Herman Cain]

Talent level on this year's team is pathetically mediocre. They are very slow-a-foot and have similar strengths and weaknesses, which includes a below average basketball IQ for players on this level. There is no on-the-floor leader. Instead we have a team that plays not to lose, rather than fighting to win. For those thinking the season will somehow be salvaged in the remaining games, think with your head and not your heart. Your eyes are not deceiving you.

Could you please translate that . Thanks.

[bilsu]

Posters keep saying the comparison to Buzz is unfair, because he did not have to rebuild. He did inherit a great team. However, the next year he had to replace four starters which included three of our top 10 all-time scorers. That was one quick rebuild.

[GoldenDieners32]

This off season Wojo better talk to Coach K and get some advice

[brewcity77]

I'll grant you that a "one and done" is a different animal. He doesn't help a rebuild much but as a coach you can't really say no. The other two guys you consider "impact" players, though...I don't think impact players leave the Big East for LaSalle - they go the other direction. And the idea that Haanif Cheatham is an impact player in the Big East is laughable.

The kid's from Philly. Villanova wasn't an option. Not sure what "other way" was there. Penn State? Maryland? Do they even have scholarships open? If he truly wanted to be home, the A-10 was pretty much the highest league there.

Haanif has had a step down. But he was a starter and I don't think anyone had any question he was an impactful frosh. I'm not calling him a star, I'm saying he had a significant positive impact on this team last year. He's regressed in many ways, mostly shooting the basketball, but in other ways he's improved. He's definitely far from a perfect player, but also far from a finished product.

But again, I specifically said "impactful frosh". Both Traci and Haanif were starters on a competitive Big East team as freshmen. Not as good a team as we'd hope, but one that was clearly better than year one. I chose those words carefully, and picked them specifically because Wojo's track record with freshmen can be used to give hope (the point of this thread) to the poster that Cain, Eke, or John might be more college-ready than we expect and provide meaningful, valuable minutes in their first year.

It had nothing to do whatsoever with what either Traci or Haanif did this year. Nothing. Re-read my post if it's that confusing. I picked my words with care and was as straight-forward as I could be. Your entire diatribe about what happened the next year completely missed the point of the paragraph.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Whining?

Hardly. This team is not competitive. And the program is mired in mediocrity.

And there are people very unhappy with this season.

Others may have a different definition but whining to me means complaining about a problem without offering a solution. You have identified the problem. Its a problem we all have. What is your solution?

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Take away their practice unis for starters.
Until they play like Warriors.

[Lennys Tap]

Your entire diatribe about what happened the next year completely missed the point of the paragraph.

My "entire diatribe?" Seriously? Yours is the diatribe, replete with personal attacks (silly, inane, unfounded, etc.) and misstatements of facts. You claim to "choose your words carefully". Maybe - but incorrectly.

[Golden Avalanche]

You know less than what you want other people to believe you know if you think anything might "transpire" this offseason or if you think people who make those decisions are unhappy with the direction of the program.

For people who are so well traveled and claim to be super tough bad boys there sure is a lot of whining coming from some posters about a child's game played by 17-22 year old kids.

Many people whining about a lack of toughness on the team. Oh the irony.

+1

[79Warrior]

Whining?

Hardly. This team is not competitive. And the program is mired in mediocrity.

And there are people very unhappy with this season.

Yep. And so far the cavalry is not coming next year with several unproven players coming in. Wait till next year is becoming the mantra for MU fans.

[Goose]

79Warriors

Spot on. I am surprised with the number of folks expecting next year to be much improved. I think replacing the three departing guys will be very difficult. All three are legit D1 players and are in any rotation in the country. They may lack leadership skills but they are basketball players.

[Hubert Davis]

Hey ya'll. Buzz had to rebuild a program as well and in year 3 looks poised to get an NCAA tournament bid. Marquette and wojo? Not so much. The guy just can't get it done.

[GoldenDieners32]

Next season we might take a minor step back but the year after i think we will be majorly improved. Just have to be patient

[Hubert Davis]

Next season we might take a minor step back but the year after i think we will be majorly improved. Just have to be patient

That would be absurd and prove the incompetence of our athletic department. A head coach at Marquette should not get until year FIVE to make the post season. ridiculous any way you spin it...

[GoldenDieners32]

That would be absurd and prove the incompetence of our athletic department. A head coach at Marquette should not get until year FIVE to make the post season. ridiculous any way you spin it...

I think we will make the postseason this year

[Hubert Davis]

I think we will make the postseason this year

My only thinking is that we did not make the NIT last season with 20 wins... we're looking like we're not even there this year

[GoldenDieners32]

My only thinking is that we did not make the NIT last season with 20 wins... we're looking like we're not even there this year

look at the new bracket joe came out with, look at bracketmatrix

[GGGG]

My only thinking is that we did not make the NIT last season with 20 wins... we're looking like we're not even there this year

We are in a much better position RPI wise than we were last year.  According to RPI Wizard, if we finish 3-2 (winning home games) and even with a loss in the first round of the BET, we are sitting at 75.  Last year we were at 110.

[GoldenDieners32]

We are in a much better position RPI wise than we were last year.  According to RPI Wizard, if we finish 3-2 (winning home games) and even with a loss in the first round of the BET, we are sitting at 75.  Last year we were at 110.

I feel like RPI is overrated

[GGGG]

I feel like RPI is overrated

I agree with you, but the NCAA and NIT selection committees use it as a tool.