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Quote from: 21rooster on January 28, 2017, 04:10:34 PM
Shots just weren't falling for much of the game.  I know it'll hurt us defensively, but HC's 22 minutes still might have been too much when we need some offense...especially in end of game situations.  I'm not sure the ball was coming out of KR's hands regardless, but another offensive weapon may have opened things things up.  I like Howard and Rowsey both in at the end instead.


HC was off the floor with foul trouble when the offense was at its worst...in the first half. 

GWSwarrior

Quote from: muguru on January 28, 2017, 04:33:35 PM
I guess this teams destination was beating #1...so they got that going for them anyway...I'm sure they are proud. Just a fart in the wind. You lose to a horsecrap team like that at home, and you don't deserve to dance..period. And yes, PC is a horsecrap team, you should NEVER EVER lose a game like that to them at home..really no different than losing to DePaul.

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Goal is National Championship
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4everwarriors

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"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

buckchuckler


Dr. Blackheart

Providence's best Offensive Efficient game of the conference.  As JayBee said pre-game, lose eFG% and you lose this game.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: muguru on January 28, 2017, 04:33:35 PM
I guess this teams destination was beating #1...so they got that going for them anyway...I'm sure they are proud. Just a fart in the wind. You lose to a horsecrap team like that at home, and you don't deserve to dance..period. And yes, PC is a horsecrap team, you should NEVER EVER lose a game like that to them at home..really no different than losing to DePaul.

Well Providence is ranked over 100 spots higher than Depaul but ok.

2/23/13: Lose 60-56 at a very average Nova...went to Elite 8
12/12/12: Lose 49-47 at UWGB...went to Elite 8
2/4/12: Blown out 76-59 at very average Notre Dame...went to Sweet 16
12/29/11: Blown out 74-57 by very average Vandy team...went to Sweet 16
12/19/11: Lose 67-59 at bad LSU team...went to Sweet 16
3/5/11: Lose 85-72 at very bad Seton hall...went to Sweet 16
2/15/11: Lose 80-68 to bad St. John's team...went to Sweet 16
1/20/10: Lose 51-50 at Depaul...went to NCAA tourney
12/5/09: Lose 77-73 to very average NC State team....went to NCAA tourney
2/6/09: Lose 57-56 at very bad South Florida...went to Round of 32
11/29/08: Blown out by bad Dayton team...went to Round of 32
3/8/08: Blown out at very average Syracuse...went to Round of 32
2/14/07: Lost 72-67 at Depaul....went to NCAA tourney
1/4/07: Blown out 74-59 at very average Providence...went to NCAA tourney
12/2/06: Lost 64-60 to North Dakota State...went to NCAA tourney
2/12/06: Lost 91-84 at Rutgers....went to NCAA tourney
11/30/05: Lost 84-74 at very average Nebraska...went to NCAA tourney
11/19/05: Lost 71-64 to Winthrop....went to NCAA tourney

Literally every year of our NCAA tourney streak we lost at least two games that we should have won except for one (in which we only lost one game we shouldn't have). Did all of those teams not deserve to dance?

10-8 gets us into the tournament. Just have to go 5-4 the rest of the way. A 1 point loss to a probable NIT team doesn't mean we won't get there.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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muguru

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 28, 2017, 05:37:59 PM
Well Providence is ranked over 100 spots higher than Depaul but ok.

2/23/13: Lose 60-56 at a very average Nova...went to Elite 8
12/12/12: Lose 49-47 at UWGB...went to Elite 8
2/4/12: Blown out 76-59 at very average Notre Dame...went to Sweet 16
12/29/11: Blown out 74-57 by very average Vandy team...went to Sweet 16
12/19/11: Lose 67-59 at bad LSU team...went to Sweet 16
3/5/11: Lose 85-72 at very bad Seton hall...went to Sweet 16
2/15/11: Lose 80-68 to bad St. John's team...went to Sweet 16
1/20/10: Lose 51-50 at Depaul...went to NCAA tourney
12/5/09: Lose 77-73 to very average NC State team....went to NCAA tourney
2/6/09: Lose 57-56 at very bad South Florida...went to Round of 32
11/29/08: Blown out by bad Dayton team...went to Round of 32
3/8/08: Blown out at very average Syracuse...went to Round of 32
2/14/07: Lost 72-67 at Depaul....went to NCAA tourney
1/4/07: Blown out 74-59 at very average Providence...went to NCAA tourney
12/2/06: Lost 64-60 to North Dakota State...went to NCAA tourney
2/12/06: Lost 91-84 at Rutgers....went to NCAA tourney
11/30/05: Lost 84-74 at very average Nebraska...went to NCAA tourney
11/19/05: Lost 71-64 to Winthrop....went to NCAA tourney

Literally every year of our NCAA tourney streak we lost at least two games that we should have won except for one (in which we only lost one game we shouldn't have). Did all of those teams not deserve to dance?

10-8 gets us into the tournament. Just have to go 5-4 the rest of the way. A 1 point loss to a probable NIT team doesn't mean we won't get there.


The difference being, a majority of those MU teams(at least in my mind) were lock city before the season even started, a bad loss or two wasn't going to hurt them. This team can't afford these types of losses...can't lose to crap teams AT HOME. Sure, going 5-4 may get them in, but with the way this schedule had set up, they had a legit(or at least decent) chance of finishing 2nd..so much for that.
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wadesworld

Rowsey had the hot hand against Pitt and got the ball at the end of the game and people wanted to fire Wojo for it. Now the ball goes to the guy who made the winning free throws on a similar play against the number 1 team in the country just 4 days ago and we're complaining the ball went back to him instead of to Rowsey? Figures.

Disappointing game. Have to bring it every night in the BE, no matter who it is against. As teamdee said, "focus on the game not the name on the front of the jersey."

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: muguru on January 28, 2017, 05:51:26 PM

The difference being, a majority of those MU teams(at least in my mind) were lock city before the season even started, a bad loss or two wasn't going to hurt them. This team can't afford these types of losses...can't lose to crap teams AT HOME. Sure, going 5-4 may get them in, but with the way this schedule had set up, they had a legit(or at least decent) chance of finishing 2nd..so much for that.

I mean I'm upset at the loss too. But preseason I picked us to finish 7th in conference....so did the coaches. The fact that we are even in a position to be disappointed by losing our chance at a 2nd place finish is amazing.

If this turns into a streak, then I'll be disappointed. But if our worst loss of the season is home vs. Providence, I'll be a pretty happy camper.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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T-Bone

Didn't seem hungry, they did. Kat and Fish need to stop eating at Mortons.

Loved Rowsey's left handed shot put 3 while getting fouled.  Highlight of the game for me.
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Looking back at the game again, I think the secret to PC's win was Ryan Fazekas. Except when Young is on the floor (13 minutes this game) every Friar in the game can shoot the three. Makes it very hard to use help defense when guys like Bullock and Cartwright are driving or Holt is in the post. You have to pick your poison and choose the least dangerous shooter to leave so you can help.

Wojo picked Fazekas tonight. Kid averages 13 minutes and 3 points a game and shoots 37% from the floor. His defender was the one who would step in to help. Credit Fazekas for stepping up and making Marquette pay by nailing 3 treys and a long 2 point jumper in 20 minutes of action. I think he was the difference maker for the Friars.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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rocket surgeon

this has been one very very crazy week in the world of ncaa hoops-lots of dogs either winning and/or covering.  we unfortunately became one of the vicitms of the dog and as 4everW always so astutely pointed out-we were the hydrant today. 

    FS 1 on southwest had depaul at creighton-probably good thing it wasn't on my flight as i watch/listen on bluetooth and tend to blurt out stuff without realizing.  the wife doesn't like that too much as well as everyone else around me :-[ :-[
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muguru

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 28, 2017, 06:07:19 PM
Looking back at the game again, I think the secret to PC's win was Ryan Fazekas. Except when Young is on the floor (13 minutes this game) every Friar in the game can shoot the three. Makes it very hard to use help defense when guys like Bullock and Cartwright are driving or Holt is in the post. You have to pick your poison and choose the least dangerous shooter to leave so you can help.

Wojo picked Fazekas tonight. Kid averages 13 minutes and 3 points a game and shoots 37% from the floor. His defender was the one who would step in to help. Credit Fazekas for stepping up and making Marquette pay by nailing 3 treys and a long 2 point jumper in 20 minutes of action. I think he was the difference maker for the Friars.

Actually in the post game, Wojo was NOT happy about the guys leaving Fazekas..Said that was part of the scouting report..to make him a dribbler rather than a shooter.
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

Smokin' Jae

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Quote from: wadesworld on January 28, 2017, 05:58:00 PM
Rowsey had the hot hand against Pitt and got the ball at the end of the game and people wanted to fire Wojo for it. Now the ball goes to the guy who made the winning free throws on a similar play against the number 1 team in the country just 4 days ago and we're complaining the ball went back to him instead of to Rowsey? Figures.

Disappointing game. Have to bring it every night in the BE, no matter who it is against. As teamdee said, "focus on the game not the name on the front of the jersey."
It's fair criticism wades. That shot against Pitt went in and out. That was also a 3 point game, today was a 1 point game; someone had to take a 3. I don't know why you wouldn't give the ball to rowsey, the kid had an incredible game today. I don't have a problem with giving it to Reinhardt on an isolation play by itself. However, I do have a problem with running the same exact "play" with 6 seconds left after he took a hard fall the play before. I like wojo and think the team is absolutely headed in the right direction but that is not the right call at the end of this game, the ball needed to be in rowsey's hands.

MU82

When I heard the whistle on Katin's first drive, I thought he was going to get the foul call. He definitely got bodied. But I don't blame the refs for not calling it.

I have no problem with him taking the next shot, too. Just wish it went in.

muguru, who was on sabbatical after the Nova win, is back after a disappointing loss. What a shock. And he's back to being Mr. Sunshine again. Again, shocking. "Deserve" has nothing to do with anything. As TAMU showed with his list, we have had many, many "killer" losses in past seasons and survived them. It's easy to say now that those earlier teams were destined for the dance. Believe me (as Comrade Twitler would say), at the time it didn't feel like the team that lost to Green Bay was destined for greatness.

I'm not surprised we lost this one - a classic "letdown" scenario. Should that happen? Of course not. But it's sports ... there is no "should." Look around college basketball. I mean, North Carolina, which had been rolling and which Bilas just said was a viable national champ pick, just got KILLED by a Miami team that just a week earlier had gotten killed by a bad Wake Forest team.

We lost this game. It wasn't fun but it wasn't fatal. We will dance. And when our name is called, we will have "deserved" it.
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bilsu

Quote from: Smokin' Jae on January 28, 2017, 03:26:41 PM
I hate the last two calls by wojo. Rowsey absolutely earned the right to have the ball in his hands and we went isolation to Reinhardt out of both timeouts, Reinhardt is not an isolation player. Oh well, tough loss, get the next two and everything will be alright.
I agree with you. Rowsey was hot and they kept fouling him.

GoldenZebra

It sucks to lose at home, obviously. But it sucks even more when you hear the team + coach talk about how beating #1 wasnt enough, how it wasnt enough to beat 2 ranked teams in a week, and then they lose at home?

bilsu

Quote from: WayOfTheWarrior on January 28, 2017, 04:07:34 PM
Anyone else think that layup by Haanif could have been a three-point play? He got knocked down but no call.

Radio interview with Wojo after the game, he said he just wanted a drive to the basket. Didn't really say if he drew it up for KR specifically, but yeah I was disappointed Rowsey didn't at least get his mitts on it once. Gotta go with the hot hand.

That 4 point play was magical. Got the place goin!

Gotta win these next two, let's do it!
I thought Haanif was fouled.

Spaniel with a Short Tail

Disappointed in the last 2 shots. Looked like Hauser was open in the corner when KR drove on the first attempt. TV showed KR looking a little shaken up on the floor after the block. Then, when it had been telegraphed to PC that KR is getting the ball, Wojo goes back to him. Didn't like that at all.

Plus it seemed that all the teams we had leapfrogged won today pushing us back on the bubble.'

Having noted that, this loss isn't bothering me that much. Not sure why.

Smokin' Jae

Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 28, 2017, 06:55:18 PM
Disappointed in the last 2 shots. Looked like Hauser was open in the corner when KR drove on the first attempt. TV showed KR looking a little shaken up on the floor after the block. Then, when it had been telegraphed to PC that KR is getting the ball, Wojo goes back to him. Didn't like that at all.

Plus it seemed that all the teams we had leapfrogged won today pushing us back on the bubble.'

Having noted that, this loss isn't bothering me that much. Not sure why.
Exactly what I've said. Win the next two and it doesn't matter, we'll be alright.

brewcity77

Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 28, 2017, 06:55:18 PM
Disappointed in the last 2 shots. Looked like Hauser was open in the corner when KR drove on the first attempt. TV showed KR looking a little shaken up on the floor after the block. Then, when it had been telegraphed to PC that KR is getting the ball, Wojo goes back to him. Didn't like that at all.

Plus it seemed that all the teams we had leapfrogged won today pushing us back on the bubble.'

Having noted that, this loss isn't bothering me that much. Not sure why.

I'd have to rewatch, but I think the wide open guy in the corner was Cheatham.

As far as disappointment, I think I'm more disappointed that Providence beat us in Milwaukee for the first time. We're still on track for a bid, and for me, that's enough this year. Of course I'd take more, but get the next two and we're still in great shape.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: muguru on January 28, 2017, 06:18:55 PM
Actually in the post game, Wojo was NOT happy about the guys leaving Fazekas..Said that was part of the scouting report..to make him a dribbler rather than a shooter.

Whoops, well that makes me look silly. I wonder what the plan was then. Trust everyone to stay in front of their man with no help? Or was a different player supposed to come over to help? I think Fazekas would be the right choice. He and Diallo are the worst shooters on the team.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Spaniel with a Short Tail

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 28, 2017, 07:13:21 PM
I'd have to rewatch, but I think the wide open guy in the corner was Cheatham.

As far as disappointment, I think I'm more disappointed that Providence beat us in Milwaukee for the first time. We're still on track for a bid, and for me, that's enough this year. Of course I'd take more, but get the next two and we're still in great shape.


Still on track for the bid is all that counts. Keeping an eye on the prize.

MerrittsMustache

The team stats for the game are nearly identical. However, PC shot 55% from 3, nearly 20% higher than their average. Ball game.

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