PC of crap

[muwarrior69]

Is PC better without Kris Dunn?

[brewcity77]

The team stats for the game are nearly identical. However, PC shot 55% from 3, nearly 20% higher than their average. Ball game.

The ridiculous 77.8% they shot in the first half was a killer. Just couldn't quite ever get over that hump.

[GGGG]

Is PC better without Kris Dunn?

No.

[muwarrior69]

PC seems a better "team" without Kris Dunn.

[GGGG]

PC seems a better "team" without Kris Dunn.

You mean other than having a worse record, RPI and KenPom ranking?

[muwarrior69]

You mean other than having a worse record, RPI and KenPom ranking?

Well they sure looked better than the stats today.

[Herman Cain]

This conference is a bear. Every possession is a battle. The other team won one more possession. I respect Ed Cooley and Company and they beat us fair and square. We just have to make some adjustments and get them on the road now.

[GoldenDieners32]

I feel like this was a good loss for the players to learn from. They can learn they can't let up any game no matter who they are playing. The next 3 games are huge for marquette.
@St Johns
@Depaul
Vs Butler

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Is PC better without Kris Dunn?

Not even close

[MerrittsMustache]

I feel like this was a good loss for the players to learn from. They can learn they can't let up any game no matter who they are playing. The next 3 games are huge for marquette.
@St Johns
@Depaul
Vs Butler

The players didn't let up. They just got beat.

Big picture, the Nova win means significantly more than the PC loss. 

[MU82]

PC seems a better "team" without Kris Dunn.

Teal?

[MUfan12]

Win the next two, come into that Butler game at 7-4, and let's have it.

If they win the next three they're in great shape. SJU scares the piss out of me. MU can punish their lack of discipline with their shooting, but containing their drives will be a challenge.

[fjm]

Butler
Creighton
Nova
Providence

Out of that four game stretch almost all expected 1-3 or MAYBE 2-2.
We are still ahead of where most thought we would be.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If they win the next three they're in great shape. SJU scares the piss out of me. MU can punish their lack of discipline with their shooting, but containing their drives will be a challenge.

St. John's is a weird Fing team. Schizo as hell. I think they are a good matchup because they play a fast tempo (too fast for their own good sometimes) and they are a very small team now that Sima has transferred. Should be able to abuse them on offense. If we can frustrate them even a little on defense, they will devolve into playground ball.

[MUfan12]

St. John's is a weird Fing team. Schizo as hell. I think they are a good matchup because they play a fast tempo (too fast for their own good sometimes) and they are a very small team now that Sima has transferred. Should be able to abuse them on offense. If we can frustrate them even a little on defense, they will devolve into playground ball.

I just have flashbacks to how their press completely screwed with MU last year, and MU has been susceptible to pressure at times this season.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I just have flashbacks to how their press completely screwed with MU last year, and MU has been susceptible to pressure at times this season.

Honestly, I think as a whole we've been very effective against the press this season.

[MUfan12]

Honestly, I think as a whole we've been very effective against the press this season.

They've been decent enough avoiding turnovers, but haven't attacked it well. And it slows them down on the offensive end, which isn't great.

[wadesworld]

They've been decent enough avoiding turnovers, but haven't attacked it well. And it slows them down on the offensive end, which isn't great.

That's the entire point of 99% of the presses we've seen.  Teams aren't pressing to get us out of control fast and turn us over.  They're pressing us to get us starting our offense with 22 seconds on the shot clock rather than 28.  And you can't really attack a press that isn't running at you, but rather keeping everything in front.

Press defense has not been an issue at all for us.

[MUfan12]

That's the entire point of 99% of the presses we've seen.  Teams aren't pressing to get us out of control fast and turn us over.  They're pressing us to get us starting our offense with 22 seconds on the shot clock rather than 28. And you can't really attack a press that isn't running at you, but rather keeping everything in front.

This part I disagree with. Once they get it over halfcourt, MU has been content to get the ball to the wing out high, and regroup. There's room to attack those driving lanes most of the time, they're just not doing it.

St. John's won't have the discipline to keep everything in front, they'll try to turn MU over. I'll be interested to see how MU handles it.

[vogue65]

St. John's is a weird Fing team. Schizo as hell. I think they are a good matchup because they play a fast tempo (too fast for their own good sometimes) and they are a very small team now that Sima has transferred. Should be able to abuse them on offense. If we can frustrate them even a little on defense, they will devolve into playground ball.

Does MU have a team psychologist?  Talking about "schizo" teams, we are in that category.  I see an issue with group psychology on our team and it is not a coach problem.  We like to think that everything is correctable by the coach, I  disagree, there may be a need for an outside expert.

[nyg]

St. John's is a weird Fing team. Schizo as hell. I think they are a good matchup because they play a fast tempo (too fast for their own good sometimes) and they are a very small team now that Sima has transferred. Should be able to abuse them on offense. If we can frustrate them even a little on defense, they will devolve into playground ball.

SJ is really not the small, with exception for the two guards, Ponds and Lovett. Owens is 6ft 11, Yawke is 6ft 8, Ahmed, 6ft 7, etc.  I believe they lead the country in blocked shots with Owens at #1.  They tend to foul a bunch because they are aggressive on defense and employ a full court press.  Lets hope Rowsey can break the press and not continue to pick up his dribble before half court. 

The two guards are extremely quick (you saw what Cartwright did yesterday) and take over 60% of their shots.  These two also like to jack up threes, but can be reckless at times, so have to shut down them down somehow.

[Jay Bee]

MU outbounded PU
MU also had more assists
MU had less turnovers

PU bailed MU out on the final score by missing 13 free throws.

They hit the open threes early and MU missed the open threes.  Just one of those days, but no ranking this week, that just got flushed.  Have to beat a 3-6 BE team on home court.

No matta.

eFG:% Providence 59.4%; MU 51.7%. #donedeal

[We R Final Four]

Jay Bee--I understand using eFG% as an explanation for a win or loss as you did above.
Can efg% be used as a predication factor? I guess my question is MU is top 10 efg% and PC is north of 100--however it didnt equate to an MU win yesterday. Is the only thing to be said that PC was much more efficient than their season average and we were much less--that is why we lost?
I see top efg% 25 teams such as Loyola Akron, Lehigh, IPFW, Weber st, rice and E Tenn St. and would believe that PC would be favored over each of these teams if they played head to head.
I admit to not completing understanding this, but just wondering how helpful these numbers can be in future games. Thanks.

[Jay Bee]

Jay Bee--I understand using eFG% as an explanation for a win or loss as you did above.
Can efg% be used as a predication factor? I guess my question is MU is top 10 efg% and PC is north of 100--however it didnt equate to an MU win yesterday. Is the only thing to be said that PC was much more efficient than their season average and we were much less--that is why we lost?
I see top efg% 25 teams such as Loyola Akron, Lehigh, IPFW, Weber st, rice and E Tenn St. and would believe that PC would be favored over each of these teams if they played head to head.
I admit to not completing understanding this, but just wondering how helpful these numbers can be in future games. Thanks.

Yes... HERE you can find a little more on it

The other key thing to consider when comparing team's eFG%'s is the defensive side of things. Marquette is a poor defensive team. As stated in the linked article:

"eFG% remains supreme. In yesterday's loss, 3-point FG shooting was the difference. Marquette was very good, only slightly down from their season average at 40.0% (10/25 with a 43.1% 3FGA/FGA), but Providence was even better at 55.0% (11/20 with a 37.7% 3FGA/FGA.

2-point shooting was identical for the two teams (15/33 for 45.5%) and the end result was an eFG% advantage to Providence of 59.4% to 51.7%. MU gained some back from turnovers and tiny rebounding edge; Providence got to the line more often and shot sub-60%, but as we know... #FTsNoMatta.

The loss was again on the defense. Providence scored 113.5 ppp, their fourth-best performance of the season and best in 10 conference games."

Providence's offense doesn't get to play Marquette's defense every night, and they certainly don't shoot 55% from 3-point range on 20 attempts every night. 3-point shooting can be extremely volatile and a great equalizer. Yesterday, Providence made shots and had such a large eFG% that we weren't able to overcome it - despite the fact we made more FT's, rebounded slightly better, had an edge in turnovers...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

SJ is really not the small, with exception for the two guards, Ponds and Lovett. Owens is 6ft 11, Yawke is 6ft 8, Ahmed, 6ft 7, etc.  I believe they lead the country in blocked shots with Owens at #1.  They tend to foul a bunch because they are aggressive on defense and employ a full court press.  Lets hope Rowsey can break the press and not continue to pick up his dribble before half court. 

The two guards are extremely quick (you saw what Cartwright did yesterday) and take over 60% of their shots.  These two also like to jack up threes, but can be reckless at times, so have to shut down them down somehow.

SJU's rotation:
1: Marcus LoVett: 6-0
2: Shamorie Ponds: 6-1
3: Malik Ellison: 6-6
4: Bashir Ahemd: 6-7
5: Kassoum Yakewe: 6-7
B1: Federico Mussini: 6-2
B2: Tariq Owens: 6-11

Compared to a team like Providence, that's very short.