Time for Fischer and Johnson to graduate

[Stretchdeltsig]

Woj's had 3 years and we still have a roster with little depth.  Is it too much to expect? 

[tower912]

I will miss them both and appreciate them staying and finishing their careers at MU.    Both have skills, but also limitations.    Neither is suited to being 'the man.'   It is their misfortune to play on teams that need them to be better than they are.    If Luke was playing with Henry a second year and was able to be the paint defender and garbage man around the hoop with the occasional post move thrown in, he would be appreciated.     If JjJ was playing on a team where he consistently received the 3rd pass in rotation, able to make a move against a recovering defender, versus catching the ball with the defender squared, we would appreciate his opportunistic attacks to the basket.    Alas....

[Galway Eagle]

Woj's had 3 years and we still have a roster with little depth.  Is it too much to expect?

Little depth? We have a roster where there's only one player that couldn't go for 20pts on any given night. Jay write even mentioned our offensive depth as his concern going into the game

[tower912]

Woj's had 3 years and we still have a roster with little depth.  Is it too much to expect?

Would MU have depth if a couple players had not decided that with the talent on hand they would not get enough playing time?    In other words, darn those talented players in front of me.   I'm leaving.     Do you want players who are content to sit the bench?     Duane's injury is a problem.   Personally, I lean toward Sacar taking off the redshirt.   I realize that mine is a minority opinion, but is it helping his game more to sit, or would it have helped his development more to get 10 minutes of run yesterday?

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Without seeing each player's transcript, it is very difficult to know if it is, indeed, time to graduate.

Luke and Jujuan would need the required 120 credits, with at least 60 of them being obtained at Marquette, including the last 30, (although I know exceptions are made for study abroad programs).

Either way, I wish the best of these young men luck, and hope they feel proud of their accomplishments when it is truly the right time for them to graduate.

[warriorchick]

Wouldn't that be Nerstradamus?

Brew, you have far and away the two best posts of the last 24 hours.

[MU82]

Yes. Really. It took Jay Wright 4 years to get to the tournament. It took him 15 years to win a national championship. He's now in his 16th year. Building a dynasty, building a program like Villanova's takes time. I'm sick and tired of all the pathetic bitching on here. This fanbase is a bunch of entitled babies that thinks becoming a perennial top-10 team happens overnight. There is only one team in the top-10 with a coach that has less than 7 years of experience at his current job, and that's fourth-year coach Steve Alford, who is also in his 22nd year as a Division I coach with 9 previous NCAA appearances.

Damn it, brew. Stop with all the reason and logic and facts.

We need to tar and feather a few guys around these parts. Wojo, Luke and JJJ apparently are the tarrees and featherees.

And if you don't stop with all the facts, you're next!

[brewcity77]

If we are going to give a guy that much time we should probably have hired someone who will stay for 15 years. I'm all for letting a guy grow if he is willing to be an MU guy for 16 years.

If wojo makes this a perennial even top 25 team what are the chances he stays and we don't have to start it all over again?

You never know how long a guy will stay. But the question is if you want to build a program that can compete for National Championships or a program that can compete for Sweet 16s. In order to have the former, you need continuity. Look at any of the Champs of this century. It took guys like Donovan, K, Wright, and Calhoun a long time to build their programs into title winners. Guys like Ollie, Self, and Calipari may have won sooner, but one did it with the old coach's players and the other two do it with elite level recruiting that we simply cannot hope to match, certainly not in a 3 year window.

We can't base what we do on whether the guy will leave. Maybe Wojo will be our next Al McGuire. Maybe he will get us to a Final Four in 2019 and bolt for Duke. I don't know. But I do know that if we hire band-aid, quick-fix coaches, they might make us more competitive in the short term, but will likely do so with players that won't meet the expectations administration has of our program and with a roster that won't survive the long-term.

Maybe I have more patience because I'm a Cubs fan, but from the moment they hired Theo, you could see the straight line of progress. I see that here right now as well. I see players like Cheatham and Heldt that are smart players that do the right thing and don't get down too easily. I see players like Howard and Hauser that have star potential. And I see recruiting decisions that fill in the gaps on our roster (size when we need size, shooting when we need shooting, transfers that provide depth at our weakest spots).

We live in a please-me-now society, but that mentality and mindset doesn't get you to the apex in this sport. Getting to the top requires patience, dedication, and a clear plan. I think it's pretty evident we have the makings of that. Hopefully Wojo sticks around long enough to see it out, and if not, hopefully someone like Johnson or even Diener can step in and finish the job. As Sultan mentioned, that's how programs like Xavier and Butler have sustained success.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

JJJ didn't bother me last night. I think the refs called some ticky tack fouls on him and that limited his ability. Still managed to put up some decent numbers.

[jesmu84]

You never know how long a guy will stay. But the question is if you want to build a program that can compete for National Championships or a program that can compete for Sweet 16s. In order to have the former, you need continuity. Look at any of the Champs of this century. It took guys like Donovan, K, Wright, and Calhoun a long time to build their programs into title winners. Guys like Ollie, Self, and Calipari may have won sooner, but one did it with the old coach's players and the other two do it with elite level recruiting that we simply cannot hope to match, certainly not in a 3 year window.

We can't base what we do on whether the guy will leave. Maybe Wojo will be our next Al McGuire. Maybe he will get us to a Final Four in 2019 and bolt for Duke. I don't know. But I do know that if we hire band-aid, quick-fix coaches, they might make us more competitive in the short term, but will likely do so with players that won't meet the expectations administration has of our program and with a roster that won't survive the long-term.

Maybe I have more patience because I'm a Cubs fan, but from the moment they hired Theo, you could see the straight line of progress. I see that here right now as well. I see players like Cheatham and Heldt that are smart players that do the right thing and don't get down too easily. I see players like Howard and Hauser that have star potential. And I see recruiting decisions that fill in the gaps on our roster (size when we need size, shooting when we need shooting, transfers that provide depth at our weakest spots).

We live in a please-me-now society, but that mentality and mindset doesn't get you to the apex in this sport. Getting to the top requires patience, dedication, and a clear plan. I think it's pretty evident we have the makings of that. Hopefully Wojo sticks around long enough to see it out, and if not, hopefully someone like Johnson or even Diener can step in and finish the job. As Sultan mentioned, that's how programs like Xavier and Butler have sustained success.

Nah. Let's change coaches every season or 2 (or maybe mid-season) until we win a national championship. Start calling us Swansea while we're at it.

[brewcity77]

Nah. Let's change coaches every season or 2 (or maybe mid-season) until we win a national championship. Start calling us Swansea while we're at it.

Winner

[willie warrior]

He may be a decent coach but he's a terrible human being.  I will take a million Creans and Buzzes before I take one Alford.

And you know he is  terrible human being...how?

[GGGG]

And you know he is  terrible human being...how?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03/31/bernstein-ucla-hired-a-scumbag/#.UViRQ9zW1h0.twitter

[Dawson Rental]

If we are going to give a guy that much time we should probably have hired someone who will stay for 15 years. I'm all for letting a guy grow if he is willing to be an MU guy for 16 years.

If wojo makes this a perennial even top 25 team what are the chances he stays and we don't have to start it all over again?

Don't forget the context. Marquette had just had Shaka for a millisecond, and then lost him.  To then end up with a coach that several other schools had persued and couldn't get an interview with was kinda impressive.

[Dawson Rental]

Woj's had 3 years and we still have a roster with little depth.  Is it too much to expect?

Interesting, given that Jay Wright's comments about Marquette pregame mentioned depth as a strength for Marquette. 

[Dawson Rental]

JJJ didn't bother me last night. I think the refs called some ticky tack fouls on him and that limited his ability. Still managed to put up some decent numbers.

I agree with this analysis.

[GoldenDieners32]

I think JJJ is more of a leader than Fish

[GGGG]

I think JJJ is more of a leader than Fish

Based on?

[GoldenDieners32]

Based on?

Stats

[brewcity77]

Stats

LOL

[burger]

Luke Fischer is clearly in the early stages of "mailing it in" and not giving a rat's A$$.....

Time for a little "therapy" riding the pines and not starting.....

Maybe a little attitude adjustment will make him care.....

Because right now.....He is going thru the motions.....

[GoldenDieners32]

Luke Fischer is clearly in the early stages of "mailing it in" and not giving a rat's A$$.....

Time for a little "therapy" riding the pines and not starting.....

Maybe a little attitude adjustment will make him care.....

Because right now.....He is going thru the motions.....

Wojo needs to give him a wake up call

[Loose Cannon]

Wojo needs to give him a wake up call

Let's see if he starts Wednesday,  it seem to work last time.