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Spotcheck Billy


CTWarrior

Howard over JJJ in a tight one.

Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

ChitownSpaceForRent

JJJ, stayed in the floor all night.

Marqevans

JJJ, his two dunks in the second half kept us energized.

Marcus92

Quote from: Marqevans on December 29, 2016, 12:39:00 PMJJJ, his two dunks in the second half kept us energized.

I loved the way his two consecutive steals and dunks single-handedly led to a Georgetown timeout. JTIII had to be out of his mind following that sequence.
"Let's get a green drink!" Famous last words

BM1090

Quote from: Marcus92 on December 29, 2016, 12:48:36 PM
I loved the way his two consecutive steals and dunks single-handedly led to a Georgetown timeout. JTIII had to be out of his mind following that sequence.

The first dunk was a leak out and a long pass after a Hauser rebound, only one of them was a steal. But I agree. Very good.

No issue with Howard or JJJ. Rowsey was very good as well, but a step below those two.

martyconlonontherun

Quote from: HoopsterBC on December 29, 2016, 10:49:03 AM
Totally not ready for the NBA.  Lets see how he plays against Sumner, Brunson, kid from Creighton who stayed 4 years.  Is he better than Yogi Ferrell?  Long
way to go, I say he stays a minimum of 3 years but more likely 4 years.

What does ready for the NBA mean? Not to rehash the Henry Ellenson arguments all over again, but I think Howard is a little like D James where his draft stock will be the highest as a freshman. The biggest thing holding back Howard is his height and that won't change any time soon and the NBA game is expecting taller ball handlers each year. I think we may get lucky and see Howard for all 4 years.

wadesworld

Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 29, 2016, 02:26:15 PM
What does ready for the NBA mean? Not to rehash the Henry Ellenson arguments all over again, but I think Howard is a little like D James where his draft stock will be the highest as a freshman. The biggest thing holding back Howard is his height and that won't change any time soon and the NBA game is expecting taller ball handlers each year. I think we may get lucky and see Howard for all 4 years.

Disagree.  The biggest thing holding James back was his shot, not his height.  Guards who can't shoot are few and far between in the NBA.  Just ask Vander Blue.

Howard won't be on anybody's NBA radar this year.

martyconlonontherun

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

For those worried about Markus leaving, take a look at this years draft. It is loaded with tall PG's who know how to score and pass the pass, while leading their teams to the tourney. Howard (5'11") and his stats (10.6 ppg/2ast) look like small game compared to those guys. Between his height, relatively small impact, and little exposure I don't think he is going anywhere anytime soon.

Markelle Fultz - 6'4"
Dennis Smith - 6'3"
Lonzo Ball - 6'6"
Malik Monk - 6'4"
De'Aaron Fox - 6'4"
Frank Ntilikina - 6'5"
Edmond Sumner - 6'5"

Late firsts-
Jawun Evans - 6'1"




fjm

I really think MU's next NBA player/s could be the Hauser boys.

If Sam progresses he would be a solid bench player like a Novak.

Jay Bee

Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 29, 2016, 02:37:08 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

For those worried about Markus leaving, take a look at this years draft. It is loaded with tall PG's who know how to score and pass the pass, while leading their teams to the tourney. Howard (5'11") and his stats (10.6 ppg/2ast) look like small game compared to those guys. Between his height, relatively small impact, and little exposure I don't think he is going anywhere anytime soon.

Markelle Fultz - 6'4"
Dennis Smith - 6'3"
Lonzo Ball - 6'6"
Malik Monk - 6'4"
De'Aaron Fox - 6'4"
Frank Ntilikina - 6'5"
Edmond Sumner - 6'5"

Late firsts-
Jawun Evans - 6'1"

Lots of good PG's likely in this year's draft, BUT... outside of the Markus 2 NBA discussion, do you think a lot of NBA folks look at ppg & apg & call it a day?

As an example, Sumner's 14.3 & 4.7 might do a lot for you, but....

Sumner (Markus): Ortg 108 (129); usage 24% (21%), %shots 20% (21%); eFG% 52.3% (68.0%); TO% 21.8% (17.9%); 28.6% (54.2) 3FG%

#SmallStats
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rocket surgeon

speaking of- Lonzo Ball - 6'6"-he's really good, but have you seen his shot?  i'm really surprised he's gotten this far without someone "tweeking" it, BUT, i suppose no one wanted to mess with something that was working
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

MarquetteDano

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 29, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
Lots of good PG's likely in this year's draft, BUT... outside of the Markus 2 NBA discussion, do you think a lot of NBA folks look at ppg & apg & call it a day?

As an example, Sumner's 14.3 & 4.7 might do a lot for you, but....

Sumner (Markus): Ortg 108 (129); usage 24% (21%), %shots 20% (21%); eFG% 52.3% (68.0%); TO% 21.8% (17.9%); 28.6% (54.2) 3FG%

#SmallStats

Fortunately for us the stat the NBA will look closest at is 6'5" (5'11"). 

Frenns Liquor Depot

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 29, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
Lots of good PG's likely in this year's draft, BUT... outside of the Markus 2 NBA discussion, do you think a lot of NBA folks look at ppg & apg & call it a day?

As an example, Sumner's 14.3 & 4.7 might do a lot for you, but....

Sumner (Markus): Ortg 108 (129); usage 24% (21%), %shots 20% (21%); eFG% 52.3% (68.0%); TO% 21.8% (17.9%); 28.6% (54.2) 3FG%

#SmallStats

I think Marcus' biggest hurdle will be proving he can deliver those numbers over more minutes + defend his position.  Both will take bulking up -- lucky for us that may take another year or more. 

He is a real talent - multi-dimensional on offense at a very young age.  Can't wait to see what his MU career brings. 

rocket surgeon

Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 29, 2016, 02:57:15 PM
Fortunately for us the stat the NBA will look closest at is 6'5" (5'11").

hmmm, spudd webb, mugsey bogues, earl boykins, calvin murphy, keith jennings, chris paul, ......

    size don't matter, 'ey?
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

wadesworld

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 29, 2016, 03:01:07 PM
I think Marcus' biggest hurdle will be proving he can deliver those numbers over more minutes + defend his position.  Both will take bulking up -- lucky for us that may take another year or more. 

He is a real talent - multi-dimensional on offense at a very young age.  Can't wait to see what his MU career brings.

I don't think bulking up will be the issue.  He's a pretty strong build as is.

HoopsterBC

Archie Diaganeau form Villy, about the same, in the league after 4 years.  Howard will have to be in college it seems for at least 3 years because of his age.

MarquetteDano

Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 29, 2016, 03:05:06 PM
hmmm, spudd webb, mugsey bogues, earl boykins, calvin murphy, keith jennings, chris paul, ......

    size don't matter, 'ey?

Spud Webb was drafted in probably the 5th round back in the day.  I believe Boykins was undrafted.

I am near 100% sure Jennings wasn't drafted at all.  NBA GM's like their size on draft day.

martyconlonontherun

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 29, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
Lots of good PG's likely in this year's draft, BUT... outside of the Markus 2 NBA discussion, do you think a lot of NBA folks look at ppg & apg & call it a day?

As an example, Sumner's 14.3 & 4.7 might do a lot for you, but....

Sumner (Markus): Ortg 108 (129); usage 24% (21%), %shots 20% (21%); eFG% 52.3% (68.0%); TO% 21.8% (17.9%); 28.6% (54.2) 3FG%

#SmallStats

Yes and no. You would be surprised how old school some GMs really are the way they scout players. If Markus Howard is hovering around 10ppg as a scoring point guard on a NIT, I don't think a lot of GMs would pay attention enough to drill into his high Ortg. He needs to start putting up some bigger numbers and winning games to get noticed

In hindsight, I wish I would have left Sumner off the list. He is projected late first, and I bet he will be a second rounder once a few new Euro's pop up. And to kind of further my point, I think he is just that high due to his height and athleticism, which is huge for projecting to the next level.

brewcity77

Talking about Markus' NBA prospects right now is meaningless as he couldn't declare for the 2017 draft if he wanted to because he's too young.

More realistic would be Markus2sophomoreyear.

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: HoopsterBC on December 29, 2016, 03:07:21 PM
Archie Diaganeau form Villy, about the same, in the league after 4 years.  Howard will have to be in college it seems for at least 3 years because of his age.

Phenomenal attempt at Ryan Arcidiacono's name. Hope that was intentional.
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2016, 05:04:33 PM
Talking about Markus' NBA prospects right now is meaningless as he couldn't declare for the 2017 draft if he wanted to because he's too young.

More realistic would be Markus2sophomoreyear.

Yep. Thanks for confirming.
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

warriorchick

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 29, 2016, 10:52:00 AM
I don't think he is ready for the NBA either, but that doesn't stop kids from going.


Markus is exponentially smarter than the majority of guys who leave early for the NBA.
Have some patience, FFS.

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