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tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: dgies9156 on December 10, 2016, 03:50:56 PM


I think this team needs to grow and I trust it will.

Hope you're right. If Luke grows to 7'3", Sam to 6'11", JJJ to 6'8", Haani to 6'7" and Markus to 6'3" we'll be awesome!

keefe

Quote from: tower912 on December 10, 2016, 03:16:36 PM
1.  JjJ and HC were dreadful today.  But maybe HC found something down the stretch.   
2.   Happ is better than Luke.    His play turned the game at the start of the second half. 
3.  MU played as well as it could in the first half.    Unable to sustain and the Badgers are good. 
4.  Sam played like a freshman up against the big state school today.    Learning experience.   He will get better. 
5.  MU is too small to guard a whole bunch of these guys

straight up.  Double down, kick out, open shot, boom. 
6.   16-0 run.  32-10 overall the first 10 minutes of the second half.   At home.   Nobody running any offense or getting the ball in to Fischer.   Easy to blame Wojo, but the players have to run the offense.   And play defense.   And not make stupid, lazy passes or stupid, lazy fouls.   And go after defensive rebounds. 
7.   FWIW, I had big loss in the poll.   
8.  KR saved us in the first half.   Less so in the second.   
9.  My 9-year-old....  " Dad, I played better defense than that today."
10.  Duane needs a shot to fall so that he can spend more time on the floor.   His on-ball defense is the best on the team. 
11.  When you can't get a blatant elbowing call at home.......  The ghost of Bo lingers.   The refs DID NOT cost this game.   But that call was flat out atrocious.   And the Badger players can still whine and plead with the best. 
12.   But the team didn't quit.   26 solid minutes,   14 crap minutes. 
13.  Hayes, Koenig, Happ are a really good trio.  Talented, experienced, leaders.   
14.   An old fashioned butt kicking.     
15.  Someone needs to emerge as a leader.   Howard obviously will be and is trying now.   But an upperclassman really needs to grow a pair. 

Positives:   KR hit some shots.   HC found his game late.   The stage did not look too big for Howard.  Scored 80+ against Wisconsin.
Negatives:   Lack of size, lack of leadership, no one grabbing the reins when things go sideways.   Gave up 90+ to Wisconsin.

I can't help but wonder about the impact of Cohen's decision on the outcome of today's match


Death on call

MUfan12

Quote from: keefe on December 10, 2016, 04:43:19 PM
I can't help but wonder about the impact of Cohen's decision on the outcome of today's match

Might have helped on Hayes, but it was Happ that swung the game. Sandy wouldn't have done much to help the offense.

Herman Cain

Quote from: keefe on December 10, 2016, 04:43:19 PM
I can't help but wonder about the impact of Cohen's decision on the outcome of today's match
Cohen would have helped us win a couple games by scrappy defense and today was a game he would have made an impact on.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

tower912

None.  Not landing a legit 4 in lieu of KR impacted it far more.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GGGG

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on December 10, 2016, 04:47:34 PM
Cohen would have helped us win a couple games by scrappy defense and today was a game he would have made an impact on.


Lol. No.

Clearly keefe was joking.


wadesworld

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 10, 2016, 04:01:26 PM
According to Wades he's our worst PG (behind Traci and Rowsey) on the offensive end. LOL

Depends on whether or not you know how to read. To someone who doesn't know how to read and comprehend the written word, yes, I said exactly that.

Vander Blue Man Group

Not the reason we lost but I was at the game - was there any explanation on how Howard getting elbowed in the face was not changed after they looked at it? 

They showed the video at the BC and it was horrendous.

GGGG

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 10, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
Not the reason we lost but I was at the game - was there any explanation on how Howard getting elbowed in the face was not changed after they looked at it? 

They showed the video at the BC and it was horrendous.

Yes. They said Howard was crowding him too close and that the offensive player was simply moving in his "cylinder." 

Bardo went on a rant about the NCAA changing rules and interpretations to the point that people don't know what a foul is. I have to agree. No idea if that is a foul or not. My guess is that with review it was right.

wadesworld

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 10, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
Not the reason we lost but I was at the game - was there any explanation on how Howard getting elbowed in the face was not changed after they looked at it? 

They showed the video at the BC and it was horrendous.

He was "in the dribbler's sphere."

Problem is, let's pretend you can't call an offensive foul because he was so up in his grill. Fine. But that's simply not a blocking foul at all. The only contact on that entire play was an elbow to the face. That's not a blocking foul on the defender.

The foul that sent Hayes to the line under the hoop down 8 with just inside 2 minutes left was horrendous as well. They said he hit his elbow but there was no contact at all. Every time MU got it from down 17 to within striking distance the whistles came out.

TSmith34, Inc.

Wisconsin's starters had a combined 20 years in their bb program.   That'll change next year when 4 of them go away.  Only one player off their bench made any meaningful contribution.  Experience matters.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

the eagle

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on December 10, 2016, 04:47:34 PM
Cohen would have helped us win a couple games by scrappy defense and today was a game he would have made an impact on.

Start Cohen and utilize a coach from the MAC instead and it's a 18 pt. swing. Sign me up.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: wadesworld on December 10, 2016, 04:59:11 PM
He was "in the dribbler's sphere."

Problem is, let's pretend you can't call an offensive foul because he was so up in his grill. Fine. But that's simply not a blocking foul at all. The only contact on that entire play was an elbow to the face. That's not a blocking foul on the defender.

The foul that sent Hayes to the line under the hoop down 8 with just inside 2 minutes left was horrendous as well. They said he hit his elbow but there was no contact at all. Every time MU got it from down 17 to within striking distance the whistles came out.

That's the problem on that play. If it's not an offensive foul there's no f'n way it's a blocking foul.

tower912

It was blocking.   Markus blocked the elbow with his face.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Eldon

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on December 10, 2016, 04:47:34 PM
Cohen would have helped us win a couple games by scrappy defense and today was a game he would have made an impact on.

He would need to be motivated to do that.

Johnny B

Go ahead and ban my profile for all I care. This program deserves to take some crap because this has been a complete derail the last 4 years. idk who to balme coaching, not getting the right talent or something else but my god the mediocre play is getting to be to much. so many silly turnovers and poor shots. the defense was some of the worst ive seen an MU team play. gotta be on the coahing to fix the fundamentals. the talent is there!! I just don't know but its tough

4everwarriors

Disagree! Talent level is mediocre. Only Sam, Markus, and possibly Cheatham have da dna ta play da kinda ball we're expectin', ai na?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Newsdreams

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 10, 2016, 05:16:25 PM
Disagree! Talent level is mediocre. Only Sam, Markus, and possibly Cheatham have da dna ta play da kinda ball we're expectin', ai na?
True dat
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79Warrior

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 10, 2016, 05:16:25 PM
Disagree! Talent level is mediocre. Only Sam, Markus, and possibly Cheatham have da dna ta play da kinda ball we're expectin', ai na?

Yep. For all the talk about talent on the team it is not showing up in the big games. Sam and Markus are the real deal, it is why they are starting. HC is clearly  struggling, but he will come around. The rest of the players just seem lost. Occasional bright spots, but not enough to be a serious threat. Shaping up to be another long season for Warrior fans.

Johnny B

Guess we just get the fluke players that are top 100 top 50 out of highschool but end up being talentless.... EX. JJJ(27th) Duane(39th) Luke(31st) Hell KR was highly ranked.. say whatever you want about rankings but my god when we have so many highly rated players its hard to accept they all were flukes and don't have the talent to contend. I mean why are hauser and howard the real deal? Duane looked like the real deal his frosh year. so did luke. Guess every player MU gets is highly rated out of HS but has no talent.

fjm

YAWN. MUFINY is a dummy, PFheros whatever dude.

Was at the game. An awesome crowd (yes many UW fans but I was at the UW game last year and there were plenty MU fans).

The team needs to stop being flat in second half. I told my friend "we are going to lose because we play flat early in the second half."
Blame Wojo all you want, but if you want to blame him for recruiting a team that was beating a team that is starting 4 seniors with multiple final four appearances... then good for you MUFINY and PFheros. Buy yourself a Kentucky shirt so we don't have to listen to your sappy WHOA IS ME, BUZZ WON THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP AND CREAN IS SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. Take your negativity elsewhere.

Face it... we are young and played against hard against a team that is MUCH better than their #17 rank.
Thought we did quite well.

Newsdreams

Quote from: Johnny B on December 10, 2016, 05:29:24 PM
Guess we just get the fluke players that are top 100 top 50 out of highschool but end up being talentless.... EX. JJJ(27th) Duane(39th) Luke(31st) Hell KR was highly ranked.. say whatever you want about rankings but my god when we have so many highly rated players its hard to accept they all were flukes and don't have the talent to contend. I mean why are hauser and howard the real deal? Duane looked like the real deal his frosh year. so did luke. Guess every player MU gets is highly rated out of HS but has no talent.
Luke barely played his freshman year....
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Johnny B

Quote from: Newsdrms on December 10, 2016, 05:32:37 PM
Luke barely played his freshman year....
Excuse me. I mean his first year at MU

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