Big East Non Conference Results

[Herman Cain]

Villanova beat Penn in a Big 5 game
Xavier  beat  North Dakota State
Creighton beat Buffalo
Johnnies lost to Delaware State

St Johns has a terrible offensive structure sort of like Seton Hall but with worse players

Big East 48-16

[GoldenDieners32]

Villanova beat Penn in a Big 5 game
Xavier  beat  North Dakota State
Creighton beat Buffalo
Johnnies lost to Delaware State

St Johns has a terrible offensive structure sort of like Seton Hall but with worse players

Big East 48-16

48-16...not bad

[bilsu]

10-8 will just about guarantee any BE team to be in the NCAA Tournament with this BE.

Running the table against the 5 worst teams and losing all 8 games to the four best teams gets you to 10-8. You better have a very good non conference record.

[fjm]

Running the table against the 5 worst teams and losing all 8 games to the four best teams gets you to 10-8. You better have a very good non conference record.

9-9. You forgot the obligatory loss to DePaul some crazy friggen how.

[wadesworld]

Running the table against the 5 worst teams and losing all 8 games to the four best teams gets you to 10-8. You better have a very good non conference record.

You would then have 4 wins over Georgetown and Seton Hall (assuming the top 4 are Butler, Xavier, Creighton, and Nova).  It's less about who you beat and more about who you play.  If you're 10-8 in the BE you're in.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Running the table against the 5 worst teams and losing all 8 games to the four best teams gets you to 10-8. You better have a very good non conference record.

You continue to underestimate the Big East.

[jsglow]

You continue to underestimate the Big East.

And exactly the reason paying attention to the non con portion of the schedule is important.  When and if the BEast finishes #1 at Christmas, then by definition the 60th percentile team in the BEast is 'better' than the 60th percentile team in the Big10, Big12, Pac12, etc.  Sure there will be exceptions such as the discussion above with an inbalance of the Top 4 winning essentially every game they play but assuming the comference is normally distributed.....

One of the things that drives me crazy is when some ESPN talking head talks about some league getting 7,8,9 bids.  Who the eff cares?  If my league had 16 teams in it we'd be there too.  Somebody can do the math.  Getting 60% of your team to the dance has to be very near the historic top.

[Herman Cain]

And exactly the reason paying attention to the non con portion of the schedule is important.  When and if the BEast finishes #1 at Christmas, then by definition the 60th percentile team in the BEast is 'better' than the 60th percentile team in the Big10, Big12, Pac12, etc.  Sure there will be exceptions such as the discussion above with an inbalance of the Top 4 winning essentially every game they play but assuming the comference is normally distributed.....

One of the things that drives me crazy is when some ESPN talking head talks about some league getting 7,8,9 bids.  Who the eff cares?  If my league had 16 teams in it we'd be there too.  Somebody can do the math.  Getting 60% of your team to the dance has to be very near the historic top.

I put a big emphasis on the non conference season. Once the non conference is finished, it becomes very difficult to enhance your position. We have a commonality of interest with all the other teams in the league during non conference. Ideally we want everyone to go undefeated. The recent recruiting success of many Big East teams will start to manifest itself in the next couple years.

[brewcity77]

Getting 60% of your team to the dance has to be very near the historic top.

I believe the best ever performance was the Big East in the 1991 NCAA Tournament. The league had 9 teams total and 7 made the NCAA Tournament:

2-Seed: Syracuse
3-Seed: Seton Hall
4-Seed: St. John's
6-Seed: Pittsburgh
8-Seed: Georgetown
9-Seed: Villanova
11-Seed: Connecticut

Providence missed out, but made the NIT and made it to the final eight of that tournament. I'm not sure how seeding was handled, but I believe they were probably pretty close to making the NCAAs. Boston College was the other team left out. That's 77.8% of the league making it in. The Big 12 has come close the past three years, sending 7/10 teams to the tourney each year. Had West Virginia not lost every meaningful non-con game in 2013-14 (5 losses to Va Tech, Wisconsin, Missouri, Gonzaga, and Purdue all by single digits) they probably would have had a good shot at making it 8/10.

EDIT: Interesting note about that 1991 Big East, other than 2-seed Syracuse getting upset by a 15, every other team was eliminated by a team that would go on to the Final Four. North Carolina took out Villanova, Kansas took out Pittsburgh, Duke took out UConn and St. John's, and UNLV took out Georgetown and Seton Hall.

[Herman Cain]

Wednesday Schedule
Eastern Time
6:30 PM   New Hampshire at Providence   FOX Sports 2
6:30 PM   Coppin State at Georgetown      
8:30 PM   Western Carolina at Marquette   FOX Sports 2
8:30 PM   Drake at DePaul      

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wednesday Schedule
Eastern Time
6:30 PM   New Hampshire at Providence   FOX Sports 2
6:30 PM   Coppin State at Georgetown      
8:30 PM   Western Carolina at Marquette   FOX Sports 2
8:30 PM   Drake at DePaul

Should be four wins but New Hampshire did win @Temple this year...and Georgetown did lose to Arkansas State....and Depaul is Depaul...scratch that, we might have some games tonight!

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Wednesday Schedule
Eastern Time
6:30 PM   New Hampshire at Providence   FOX Sports 2
6:30 PM   Coppin State at Georgetown      
8:30 PM   Western Carolina at Marquette   FOX Sports 2
8:30 PM   Drake at DePaul

So Drake won't come to Madness but he'll go to DePaul?

[Newsdreams]

So Drake won't come to Madness but he'll go to DePaul?

HC to DePaul

[Herman Cain]

Providence and Georgetown won

[brewcity77]

Drake up 55-45 on DePaul with 14 to play.

[brewcity77]

DePaul rallies to escape Drake, 77-75.

[Herman Cain]

DePaul rallies to escape Drake, 77-75.

Good comeback for them

[GoldenDieners32]

52-16 now right?

[jsglow]

Good comeback for them

And good 'avoided loss' for the BEast.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Depaul has a pretty big game against Northwestern coming up. I fully expect Depaul to get thrashed by 20 but if they somehow manage a tin that would do wonders for the Big East RPI. Not a must win because NU is very good this year but would be nice.

[Golden Avalanche]

DePaul and Johnnies race to the bottom. PC and GT a level above but nowhere near .500.

The MU battle will be with Hall for that fifth place position that would get them to the NCAAs. Considering how Hall manhandled us last season, garnering a split will be a monumental task.

[bilsu]

DePaul and Johnnies race to the bottom. PC and GT a level above but nowhere near .500.

The MU battle will be with Hall for that fifth place position that would get them to the NCAAs. Considering how Hall manhandled us last season, garnering a split will be a monumental task.

Surprisingly DePaul is 4-1

[GGGG]

Surprisingly DePaul is 4-1

No quality wins though.

[brewcity77]

No quality wins though.

And struggled with Robert Morris, Missouri State, and Drake at home. They're likely in for another long year.

[BM1090]

And struggled with Robert Morris, Missouri State, and Drake at home. They're likely in for another long year.

Agree...but much better for our RPI that they didn't manage to lose those games.