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hdog1017

Crean to coach the Bulls

VegasWarrior77

theScore ‏@theScore  3m3 minutes ago
The Bulls are reportedly finalizing a deal to send Mike Dunleavy to the Cavaliers. http://thesco.re/29k5LCp
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

Dish

There's no conceivable way an offense of Rondo/Wade/Butler can or  will work. At least with Rose/Butler, it was only two guys.

I wonder if they're going to deal Butler now, which will be comical in that they signed Rondo/Wade in order to do so.

ChitownSpaceForRent

#103
Quote from: MUDish on July 06, 2016, 09:17:09 PM
There's no conceivable way an offense of Rondo/Wade/Butler can or  will work. At least with Rose/Butler, it was only two guys.

I wonder if they're going to deal Butler now, which will be comical in that they signed Rondo/Wade in order to do so.

Rondo is at least a pass first point guard, Rose was not. I don't even care if it works, they're just so long as Derrick and Reggie Rose are gone from chicago.

Also, much better defensive team than last year.

Herman Cain

https://www.google.com/amp/basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/242732/Dwyane-Wade-Agrees-To-Sign-With-Bulls#

My take is given that the deal is 2 year 47 mill means the Heat wanted to see him go. Good luck with Hassan Whiteside as your centerpiece.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on July 06, 2016, 08:28:48 PM
Twitter saying Wade to Bulls.
Now I want Matthews, Novak and Crowder. Make this happen Bulls.

And go back in time and draft Ellenson.

brewcity77

The theory of Wade coming home, having two Marquette alums starring on the same team, it all sounds nice. I've liked seeing Butler come back as a recruiting tool, and imagine having a future Hall of Famer doing the same won't hurt.

But from a basketball perspective...why? So figure the lineup will be Rondo/Wade/Butler/Mirotic/Lopez. Maybe Gibson instead of Mirotic, but I can't see either being a big difference maker. Is that a playoff team? Ehh. If they weren't last year, why would they be this year? Does this allow them to play up-tempo, running ball? I really don't get these moves. This is a team that is unable to decide if they want to rebuild or make another run. That's how the Bucks were stuck in that 7th-10th place mediocrity for years.

The Bulls front office is just clueless. They lucked into drafting Rose and it almost got them to a Finals, and further lucked into the best 30th pick in NBA history (sorry, Gheorghe Muresan) and couldn't make that work. They think this will work? Talk about a franchise going nowhere fast.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 06, 2016, 09:24:14 PM
The theory of Wade coming home, having two Marquette alums starring on the same team, it all sounds nice. I've liked seeing Butler come back as a recruiting tool, and imagine having a future Hall of Famer doing the same won't hurt.

But from a basketball perspective...why? So figure the lineup will be Rondo/Wade/Butler/Mirotic/Lopez. Maybe Gibson instead of Mirotic, but I can't see either being a big difference maker. Is that a playoff team? Ehh. If they weren't last year, why would they be this year? Does this allow them to play up-tempo, running ball? I really don't get these moves. This is a team that is unable to decide if they want to rebuild or make another run. That's how the Bucks were stuck in that 7th-10th place mediocrity for years.

The Bulls front office is just clueless. They lucked into drafting Rose and it almost got them to a Finals, and further lucked into the best 30th pick in NBA history (sorry, Gheorghe Muresan) and couldn't make that work. They think this will work? Talk about a franchise going nowhere fast.

After taking off the MU glasses and putting on my Bulls glasses it's very frustrating. Either Wade's got some stem cell therapy on his knees to make him 25 again or his agent is a master salesman. Either way though this team is certainly a playoff team, it could even make the Eastern finals before getting blown out by Cleveland because its the east and the playoffs aren't that hard. 
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

tower912

Can't argue with anybody who is questioning the Bulls front office here.    Is there a plan?    Short term?    Long term?   Or are they just blindly thrashing around and hoping?    Your 3 smalls all have the same skill set.    Pretty sure that playing off of them and taking away the lane is the easiest defensive call in the league. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Herman Cain

Wade has experience and he may play a big role in developing Denzell Valentine and conceivably even getting more production out of Doug McDermott.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

MU82

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 06, 2016, 09:24:14 PM
The theory of Wade coming home, having two Marquette alums starring on the same team, it all sounds nice. I've liked seeing Butler come back as a recruiting tool, and imagine having a future Hall of Famer doing the same won't hurt.

But from a basketball perspective...why? So figure the lineup will be Rondo/Wade/Butler/Mirotic/Lopez. Maybe Gibson instead of Mirotic, but I can't see either being a big difference maker. Is that a playoff team? Ehh. If they weren't last year, why would they be this year? Does this allow them to play up-tempo, running ball? I really don't get these moves. This is a team that is unable to decide if they want to rebuild or make another run. That's how the Bucks were stuck in that 7th-10th place mediocrity for years.

The Bulls front office is just clueless. They lucked into drafting Rose and it almost got them to a Finals, and further lucked into the best 30th pick in NBA history (sorry, Gheorghe Muresan) and couldn't make that work. They think this will work? Talk about a franchise going nowhere fast.

If Wade is as healthy and effective as he was this past season, he will be very good for the Bulls.
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Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: tower912 on July 06, 2016, 09:32:19 PM
Can't argue with anybody who is questioning the Bulls front office here.    Is there a plan?    Short term?    Long term?   Or are they just blindly thrashing around and hoping?    Your 3 smalls all have the same skill set.    Pretty sure that playing off of them and taking away the lane is the easiest defensive call in the league.

The Bulls front office absolutely had no plan.

ChitownSpaceForRent

As a Bulls fan here's the way I think about it. One, Derrick Rose is gone that aline constitutes the offseason as a win.

Two Wade and Rondo are on 2 year contracts and Jimmy will have pretty high value for at least 2 more years. You can always blow it up in 2 years time.

MuMark

Wade I apparently has a player option on the 2nd year so he may only be there a year.

GGGG

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on July 06, 2016, 09:45:33 PM
Wade has experience and he may play a big role in developing Denzell Valentine and conceivably even getting more production out of Doug McDermott.

How the hell is Wade going to get more production out of McDermott?  Is he a magician? 

Dish

The player option here is really interesting. I'm not surprised at all he got it, every star player will get it these days. However, considering his age/health, I'd be shocked if he isn't a Bull in '17-'18...but at what price point?

brewcity77

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 06, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
After taking off the MU glasses and putting on my Bulls glasses it's very frustrating. Either Wade's got some stem cell therapy on his knees to make him 25 again or his agent is a master salesman. Either way though this team is certainly a playoff team, it could even make the Eastern finals before getting blown out by Cleveland because its the east and the playoffs aren't that hard.

Maybe so...I just see a team with virtually no chemistry because they have three new starters. Bench seems a bit underwhelming with all the departures. That, and I'm not convinced Hoiberg is a NBA coach, and certainly not sure he's put together the right roster for the system he wants to run.

The Bulls were clearly becoming Jimmy's team, and Jimmy was pretty clearly not on the same page as the coach. I don't see how that's changed. Sure, the Rose issue is gone, but just because one problem is gone doesn't mean all the other issues in Chicago have gone away.

wadesworld

If the Bucks want more players who demand the ball and can't stretch the floor, I think Moose might be available?

NorthernDancerColt

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on July 06, 2016, 09:50:40 PM
As a Bulls fan here's the way I think about it. One, Derrick Rose is gone that aline constitutes the offseason as a win.

Two Wade and Rondo are on 2 year contracts and Jimmy will have pretty high value for at least 2 more years. You can always blow it up in 2 years time.
Amen. I don't understand all the criticism here. The Bulls have spent almost two decades trying to build back up. Yet, they're supposed to just completely blow it up this year because injuries derailed the career trajectories of Rose and Noah?

Let's see...they replace a Chicago playground legend whose body let him down with another hometown hero who is much more durable, if not completely sound health-wise. The departure didn't like to work or mentor younger players, and by most accounts the arrival does both those things. Plus, the arrival surely understands he's in the "swan song" of his career, and one would think he could defer to an upcoming fellow MU alum.
Zenyatta has a lot....a lot... of ground to make up. She gets there from here she'd be a super horse......what's this.....Zenyatta hooked to the grandstand side....Zenyatta flying on the outside....this....is...un-belieeeeeevable!...looked impossible at the top of the stretch...

NorthernDancerColt

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 06, 2016, 10:05:32 PM
How the hell is Wade going to get more production out of McDermott?  Is he a magician?

Wade took great pride in mentoring Heat rookies and younger players, but I agree, McBuckets needs almost supernatural help.
Zenyatta has a lot....a lot... of ground to make up. She gets there from here she'd be a super horse......what's this.....Zenyatta hooked to the grandstand side....Zenyatta flying on the outside....this....is...un-belieeeeeevable!...looked impossible at the top of the stretch...

Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown

Butler may also be a beneficiary of Wade's mentorship in terms of being a better-received leader in the locker room.
"Half a billion we used to do about every two months...or as my old boss would say, 'you're on the hook for $8 million a day come hell or high water-.    Never missed in 6 years." - Chico apropos of nothing

NorthernDancerColt

Quote from: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on July 06, 2016, 10:58:47 PM
Butler may also be a beneficiary of Wade's mentorship in terms of being a better-received leader in the locker room.

Absolutely!  In terms of the reception of Jimmy's leadership, this is a rare case of addition by subtraction AND addition
Zenyatta has a lot....a lot... of ground to make up. She gets there from here she'd be a super horse......what's this.....Zenyatta hooked to the grandstand side....Zenyatta flying on the outside....this....is...un-belieeeeeevable!...looked impossible at the top of the stretch...

RushmoreAcademy

How can an MU fan not be more psyched about this? Butler to Wade for the jam? It's a dream scenario.

GB Warrior

Seeing Jimmy and Wade together well be cool (Bucks fan here), but it's going to be a disaster. Rondo is a marginal offensive upgrade over Rose in terms of fit, if at all. This is not a team that has the luxury of resting Wade 3/4 of the year and thinking they can coast to the playoffs. They need a guy who can stepout and knock down 3s, and they just traded him

ChitownSpaceForRent

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 06, 2016, 11:17:43 PM
Seeing Jimmy and Wade together well be cool (Bucks fan here), but it's going to be a disaster. Rondo is a marginal offensive upgrade over Rose in terms of fit, if at all. This is not a team that has the luxury of resting Wade 3/4 of the year and thinking they can coast to the playoffs. They need a guy who can stepout and knock down 3s, and they just traded him

Yea the only thing I'm kinda bummed about is that Dunleavy got shipped out right away

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