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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuMark on July 01, 2016, 06:34:43 PM
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https://twitter.com/windhorstespn/status/749019507029602304
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It's a bluff
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Would love it but don't see it. If only we had saved the $9M we just ave to Delly...
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https://twitter.com/cf_gardner/status/749029576446136320
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Fookin' Bloomin'ton has a better chance of signin' Wade dan da Dears.
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Fookin' Bloomin'ton has a better chance of signin' Wade dan da Dears.
It would be good for MU if the Bucks sign Wade. Puts us in closer proximity to Zaire.
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Milwaukee getting clowned by Wade. Don't fall for it. Did this same exact thing before the big 3.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--dwyane-wade-fielding--20-million-a-year-offers-012602222.html
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It would be good for MU if the Bucks sign Wade. Puts us in closer proximity to Zaire.
#thenextkostas
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Milwaukee getting clowned by Wade. Don't fall for it. Did this same exact thing before the big 3.
So they shouldn't negotiate with free agents even if it means driving up the price for him to go elsewhere?
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At $20 million/year Wade is absolutely NOT worth it for the Bucks. The sentimental homecoming and superstar shine will wear off real fast when everyone realizes that he is not the player he once was. $20M a year to an aging star would be classic Bucks, and it would keep them from being competitive long term.
FWIW I'm a post-Wade MU fan, so I don't have the emotional ties to his career here that many of you all do. So I guess the question to y'all is... Would you buy more Bucks tickets if Wade was in green and cream?
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Rumors are that the Bulls and Wade are talking too. Bulls been played before.
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At $20 million/year Wade is absolutely NOT worth it for the Bucks. The sentimental homecoming and superstar shine will wear off real fast when everyone realizes that he is not the player he once was. $20M a year to an aging star would be classic Bucks, and it would keep them from being competitive long term.
FWIW I'm a post-Wade MU fan, so I don't have the emotional ties to his career here that many of you all do. So I guess the question to y'all is... Would you buy more Bucks tickets if Wade was in green and cream?
1 yes I would buy more tickets
2 20 million to Wade would not stop,the Bucks from competing
3 20 million now is not what it was 3, 5 or 10 years ago...http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/nba-salary-cap-2016-17-94-million-increase-of-34-percent-061816
Ps Kent friggin Bazemore just got 70 million over 4 years
https://twitter.com/sbnationnba/status/749072918412271616
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The salary cap next year is $94 million. Ten years ago it was $53 M. Five years ago it was $58 M.
$20 million isn't the hit it used to be.
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This is a courtesy for both sides. Bucks get credibility by nabbing a meeting with a star; Wade gets leverage from having more teams appear to be in the running.
Would be cool to see Wade back in Milwaukee, but with Wade being a ball dominant shooter, hard to see how this fits into the Bucks strategic vision in the short or long term
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$20 million is still more than a fifth of the team's budget. Right now, with just Middleton and Monore getting big money, Delly and Teletovic getting decent contracts (Delly's is almost $10 million), and Parker/Giannis on cheap rookie deals, $20 million seems affordable. But when Parker and Giannis are due for their extensions and raises, having $20 million tied up in an aging superstar with bad knees could cause one or both to bolt if the Bucks don't have the room to afford them. If it was one or two years at $20 million, I think Wade is a smart move. Four or five seems like a big risk.
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Delly is a mediocre (at best) NBA player. If there is any chance to have gotten Wade or another far superior player, spending that kind of scratch on Delly is highly questionable.
As for Wade -- if the Bucks really have a chance to get him (which is not super likely), you pay a premium for him if you think he makes your team better in multiple ways.
Those ways:
1. You determine he can still play. He sure looked good most of this past season, including the playoffs. Can he keep playing at a high level for another 2, 3, 4 years?
2. You determine he will be a good mentor to the young players on your roster.
3. You determine he does not have to have the ball all the time. I hear this criticism, but he certainly didn't have the ball all the time when LeBron and even Chalmers were teammates.
If your assessment in those areas says "yes," and if he actually wants to play for you, Wade is a winner and a Hall of Famer with some gas left in the tank.
Those assessments go for teams other than the Bucks, too. Wade probably is most valuable to the Heat, and the Heat also can pay him the most. So it's still difficult to imagine him going elsewhere, but stuff happens.
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Delly is a mediocre (at best) NBA player. If there is any chance to have gotten Wade or another far superior player, spending that kind of scratch on Delly is highly questionable.
As for Wade -- if the Bucks really have a chance to get him (which is not super likely), you pay a premium for him if you think he makes your team better in multiple ways.
Those ways:
1. You determine he can still play. He sure looked good most of this past season, including the playoffs. Can he keep playing at a high level for another 2, 3, 4 years?
2. You determine he will be a good mentor to the young players on your roster.
3. You determine he does not have to have the ball all the time. I hear this criticism, but he certainly didn't have the ball all the time when LeBron and even Chalmers were teammates.
If your assessment in those areas says "yes," and if he actually wants to play for you, Wade is a winner and a Hall of Famer with some gas left in the tank.
Those assessments go for teams other than the Bucks, too. Wade probably is most valuable to the Heat, and the Heat also can pay him the most. So it's still difficult to imagine him going elsewhere, but stuff happens.
I agree with this analysis.
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At $20 million/year Wade is absolutely NOT worth it for the Bucks. The sentimental homecoming and superstar shine will wear off real fast when everyone realizes that he is not the player he once was. $20M a year to an aging star would be classic Bucks, and it would keep them from being competitive long term.
FWIW I'm a post-Wade MU fan, so I don't have the emotional ties to his career here that many of you all do. So I guess the question to y'all is... Would you buy more Bucks tickets if Wade was in green and cream?
In today's climate, it is a bargain. Sure beats Noah or Bazemore for $17+ mil.
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Has Wade finished his degree yet? Is that even any consideration whatsoever?
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This is a courtesy for both sides. Bucks get credibility by nabbing a meeting with a star; Wade gets leverage from having more teams appear to be in the running.
If we assume you're right that it's a courtesy to give Wade leverage...if you see it, the NBA GMs surely see it too.
So much for leverage....
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Nuggets will make D Wade a very attractive offer. They will give him more years and more money than the Heat. There is a real possibility he takes their proposal.
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Nuggets will make D Wade a very attractive offer. They will give him more years and more money than the Heat. There is a real possibility he takes their proposal.
There is no chance. The Heat will now give Wade what he wants, and if the Heat had spent their money on Durant Wade would've gone back there to win another Championship. He was never leaving, just a matter of time.
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Dwyane Wade averaged 24 points per game last season. While he may not be the "player he once was" he is still a damn good player and better than most guards in the league. Dude can still ball.
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Dwyane Wade averaged 24 points per game last season. While he may not be the "player he once was" he is still a damn good player and better than most guards in the league. Dude can still ball.
No he didn't.
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Dwyane Wade averaged 24 points per game last season. While he may not be the "player he once was" he is still a damn good player and better than most guards in the league. Dude can still ball.
If by 24 you mean 19.
eFG%...
2013-14 55.1%
2014-15 48.3%
2015-16 45.9%
Doesn't shoot treys anymore...
2FG%...
2013-14 55.7%
2014-15 48.9%
2015-16 46.8%
All distances down... rough.
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No he didn't.
He did if you only count the conference semifinals against Toronto. Even shot threes in that series (10/20 beyond the arc).
Of course, calling seven games a "season" only works if you're in the NFL and missed half the year.
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Wade's maturity alone would help the young Bucks players and he still has enough in the tank to give the team an option as a scorer and a good chance at the playoffs next year.
With that said, I hope he stays in Miami to finish his career and he does deserve a better contract if the original $10 million offer is correct.
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Has Wade finished his degree yet? Is that even any consideration whatsoever?
No and no.
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latest offer from Miami is 2 years for $40 million. With Wade's option for the second year.
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latest offer from Miami is 2 years for $40 million. With Wade's option for the second year.
Will be interesting to see how bad Nuggets want him. They have 28 million of cap room.
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Hearing Wade is definitely not going back to Miami.
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Hearing Wade is definitely not going back to Miami.
Awful if true
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Awful if true
Why? They have treated the face of the franchise, the guy who had truly earned the statue out front, like absolute crap especially over the last couple of years. For many years DWade has sacrificed personally for that organization. I too think it'll be a shame if he feels compelled to leave but wouldn't blame him one bit.
I still think it's a very long shot that he signs on with the Bucks. But MKE is the one visiting arena where he has been loudly cheered since the moment he stepped into the league. I'm not commenting on the merits of signing him as I'm unable to balance the value he brings (leadership, etc. vs. diminishing skills) but I don't put it past him to want to reconnect more closely with a community he has great fondness towards.
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Why? They have treated the face of the franchise, the guy who had truly earned the statue out front, like absolute crap especially over the last couple of years. For many years DWade has sacrificed personally for that organization. I too think it'll be a shame if he feels compelled to leave but wouldn't blame him one bit.
Heard a sports talk rumor last night that Wade might be talking to Cleveland in the next few days. Nothing but rumor at this point.
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Never gonna happen...
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Will be interesting to see how bad Nuggets want him. They have 28 million of cap room.
Frankly, I'm surprised that more professional athletes aren't bending over backwards to play in Seattle or Denver.
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Heard a sports talk rumor last night that Wade might be talking to Cleveland in the next few days. Nothing but rumor at this point.
No doubt he and LeBron are very close.
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Frankly, I'm surprised that more professional athletes aren't bending over backwards to play in Seattle or Denver.
Most of the time athletes go where the money dictates. They have limited time in which to earn it and they can't live wherever they want in the off-season and after they retire.
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Apparently Wade turned down Miami's offer. People are guessing Cleveland.
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Most of the time athletes go where the money dictates. They have limited time in which to earn it and they can't live wherever they want in the off-season and after they retire.
Understood, but how many pros have been busted by the cops for marijuana possession over the past few years and subsequently been suspended by their league compared to those who were simply suspended as a result of failing a p-test for marijuana (which are rather difficult to fail unless you've got the bong in hand while you're draining)? My guess: exponentially more of the former than the latter. In other words, if you're not going to get busted by the law in Denver or Seattle, you can smoke up at will 280-320 days a year (instead of just during a ~120-day off-season) without a realistic chance of being suspended.
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Now that IU shorts has an acceptable offer from Miami, he just bent over and blew Fear da Dear a kiss good-bye, ai na?
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Now that IU shorts has an acceptable offer from Miami, he just bent over and blew Fear da Dear a kiss good-bye, ai na?
Cleveland.
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Milwaukee meeting cancelled. Reason cited is inability to have immediate cap space available.
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Heard a sports talk rumor last night that Wade might be talking to Cleveland in the next few days. Nothing but rumor at this point.
Now just heard Miami offered Wade 2 years for $40 million. #donedeal?
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Now just heard Miami offered Wade 2 years for $40 million. #donedeal?
No. He wants $25M+ now. Cancelled his meeting with the Bucks because they can't get over $17M/year...but people say he's meeting with the Cav's, who can offer him a whopping 3.9M/season? Hmm...
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No. He wants $25M+ now. Cancelled his meeting with the Bucks because they can't get over $17M/year...but people say he's meeting with the Cav's, who can offer him a whopping 3.9M/season? Hmm...
Not if they trade Love.
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Which teams could legitimately offer him 25 mil a year? The Bulls? Sacramento? Doubt he would want to go to wither of those places.
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Which teams could legitimately offer him 25 mil a year? The Bulls? Sacramento? Doubt he would want to go to wither of those places.
Now that the Bulls have signed Rondo I believe that they have about $10 million of cap room left.
And you're right, the Bulls would make no sense for him.
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I think Wade's camp realizes that the Heat aren't biting on the teams with more money pursuing him. It may be more realistic that he give up the money entirely to go play with his BFF on a contender, thus more leverage by meeting with the Cavs than with the Nuggets, etc.
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Which teams could legitimately offer him 25 mil a year? The Bulls? Sacramento? Doubt he would want to go to wither of those places.
As of now, Denver.
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I like Wade, one of my favorite players ever. But I don't feel "sorry" for him or believe he is being "screwed over" by the Heat.
He has been great for the Heat and they, in turn, have paid him a boatload of money. He wanted them to get LeBron and Bosh and a nice supporting cast, and they did.
It's business. He wants to be "re$pected," and we all know what that means in pro sports. The Heat want him to stay but don't want to hurt their roster to make it happen or overpay (in their eyes) for a guy who has a lot of wear and tear on him.
If Dwyane wants to accept a "bargain" wage to go help LeBron win another title, cool.
If he stays with the Heat for $20M, cool.
If he goes to Denver for $25M, cool.
I don't know if he is publicly whining about the situation, but if so ... not cool.
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I like Wade, one of my favorite players ever. But I don't feel "sorry" for him or believe he is being "screwed over" by the Heat.
He has been great for the Heat and they, in turn, have paid him a boatload of money. He wanted them to get LeBron and Bosh and a nice supporting cast, and they did.
It's business. He wants to be "re$pected," and we all know what that means in pro sports. The Heat want him to stay but don't want to hurt their roster to make it happen or overpay (in their eyes) for a guy who has a lot of wear and tear on him.
If Dwyane wants to accept a "bargain" wage to go help LeBron win another title, cool.
If he stays with the Heat for $20M, cool.
If he goes to Denver for $25M, cool.
I don't know if he is publicly whining about the situation, but if so ... not cool.
Kind of like when LeBron was leaving Miami?
"What I do on the floor shows my value. At the end of the day, I don't think my value on the floor can really be compensated for anyways because of the (collective bargaining agreement)."
"I have not had a full max deal yet in my career -- that's a story untold," James said.
"I don't get [the credit] for it. That doesn't matter to me, playing the game is what matters to me. Financially, I'll sacrifice for the team. It shows for some of the top guys, it isn't all about money. That's the genuine side of this, it's about winning. I understand that."
Hilarious that he thinks his taking less money to play in Miami was an "untold story" lol.
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I like Wade, one of my favorite players ever. But I don't feel "sorry" for him or believe he is being "screwed over" by the Heat.
He has been great for the Heat and they, in turn, have paid him a boatload of money. He wanted them to get LeBron and Bosh and a nice supporting cast, and they did.
It's business. He wants to be "re$pected," and we all know what that means in pro sports. The Heat want him to stay but don't want to hurt their roster to make it happen or overpay (in their eyes) for a guy who has a lot of wear and tear on him.
If Dwyane wants to accept a "bargain" wage to go help LeBron win another title, cool.
If he stays with the Heat for $20M, cool.
If he goes to Denver for $25M, cool.
I don't know if he is publicly whining about the situation, but if so ... not cool.
I can't get all worked up about Wade getting screwed by the Heat.
Hey Kevin Durant is an adult. He can work where he wants to work. The Stephen A. Smith's of the world can turn that into controversy all they want. He doesn't owe anything to OKC.
At the same time, the Miami Heat don't owe Wade a damn thing. They can pay him what they want to pay him.
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The Bucks should just wait a year and sign that kid that has the best handle of any guard, what's his name again? Oh yeah, Kostas.
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The Bucks should just wait a year and sign that kid that has the best handle of any guard, what's his name again? Oh yeah, Kostas.
Well played.
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Will be interesting to see what the Nuggets end up offering Wade. I think if they put 4 years and $100 million on the table, he would have a hard time walking away from that.
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The Bucks should just wait a year and sign that kid that has the best handle of any guard, what's his name again? Oh yeah, Kostas.
Oh yeah, the Greek Threek.
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Will be interesting to see what the Nuggets end up offering Wade. I think if they put 4 years and $100 million on the table, he would have a hard time walking away from that.
Mostly because he's 32, shown signs of wear and tear on his knees, his last name isn't James, AND HE'S NOT AN IDIOT.
other than that...........
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Mostly because he's 32, shown signs of wear and tear on his knees, his last name isn't James, AND HE'S NOT AN IDIOT.
other than that...........
Half way there...
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/dwyane-wade-denver-nuggets-miami-heat-nba-free-agency-070516
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Will be interesting to see what the Nuggets end up offering Wade. I think if they put 4 years and $100 million on the table, he would have a hard time walking away from that.
It's always a good idea to get into a bidding war with yourself
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It's always a good idea to get into a bidding war with yourself
Ha! I remember when the Dodgers did that with Kevin Brown and the Cubs did it with Todd Hundley.
I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
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Bulls back in the fray for Wade....
http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bulls/report-bulls-will-meet-dwyane-wade-offering-partially-guaranteed-third-year
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Meeting back on in Milwaukee.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/385693451.html
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Meeting back on in Milwaukee.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/385693451.html
Looks like he is meeting with one of the Bucks owners in NY. Big Day for Wade with all these meetings.
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Butler lobbying for Wade. Good for MU.
https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/750701339873869824
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Butler lobbying for Wade. Good for MU.
https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/750701339873869824
I'm not sure how impactful a recruitment from Rondo still is these days...
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Well a lineup of Rondo, Wade Butler, Gibson and Lopez would be infinitely better than the lineup I thought the bulls were gonna roll out with prior to the Rose trade.
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Well a lineup of Rondo, Wade Butler, Gibson and Lopez would be infinitely better than the lineup I thought the bulls were gonna roll out with prior to the Rose trade.
That team is going to be a duplication of the Bucks' 2015 season minus the upside. No spacing to be found.
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Sources say Nuggets meeting with Wade went well.
https://twitter.com/chrisadempsey/status/750743639504982016
Nuggets brought Mike Miller to the Wade meeting to try and make the sale.
https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/750701571533639680?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
My guess is they try to bring Udonis Haslem to the Nuggets as well. That way they are bringing another member of the band back.
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That team is going to be a duplication of the Bucks' 2015 season minus the upside. No spacing to be found.
Which is why Mirotic starts ahead of Taj at the four.
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Well a lineup of Rondo, Wade Butler, Gibson and Lopez would be infinitely better than the lineup I thought the bulls were gonna roll out with prior to the Rose trade.
Yeah but I don't think it is a terribly good line up either.
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Sources say Nuggets meeting with Wade went well.
https://twitter.com/chrisadempsey/status/750743639504982016
Nuggets brought Mike Miller to the Wade meeting to try and make the sale.
https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/750701571533639680?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
My guess is they try to bring Udonis Haslem to the Nuggets as well. That way they are bringing another member of the band back.
Can't wait for the Michael Beasley sighting.
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Bulls missed meeting with Wade supposedly for flight reasons. Pretty hard to believe.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-bulls-missed-meeting-with-dwyane-wade-because-of-flight-issues/
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Yeah but I don't think it is a terribly good line up either.
No, but probably good enough to make the playoffs in the East.
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No, but probably good enough to make the playoffs in the East.
I dunno ... now that the Hornets have made their big free-agent signings of Hibbert and Sessions!
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Bulls missed meeting with Wade supposedly for flight reasons. Pretty hard to believe.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-bulls-missed-meeting-with-dwyane-wade-because-of-flight-issues/
Must be a golf tournament going on in the Hamptons, ai'na?
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Young Denver Talent wants to recruit Wade.
http://milehighsports.com/report-emmanuel-mudiay-plans-reach-dwyane-wade/
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I don't understand any of this Bulls flirtation with Wade. Makes no sense.
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I am having trouble envisioning a Rondo, Wade and Jimmy line up working well together. But who knows....
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I don't understand any of this Bulls flirtation with Wade. Makes no sense.
Sure it does, they don't want to rebuild.
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I don't understand any of this Bulls flirtation with Wade. Makes no sense.
They probably think it will sell tickets.
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All of Wades Suitors are working hard to make a deal with him
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the-dwyane-wade-meetings-are-over-and-everybody-is-reportedly-optimistic/
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It bothers me that the Bulls don't know who they are, there's no identity there whatsoever. Signing a soon to be 35 year old Wade, who will play maybe 60 games, at $20-$25 million a year does nothing for them long term. Wade/Rondo/Butler tandem would be a trainwreck. I can't buy the Wade will sell tickets argument because the Bulls are going to draw 18k-22k a night next season.
In the NBA especially, you have to draft young superstars to have the best chance to succeed long term. Generally, you have to be bad to really bad, or trade away assets to get a chance to draft high. Bulls have/had a perfect opportunity right in front of them to both be really bad and trade away an asset to get a second high pick in a loaded 2017 draft, and have significant cap space for summer 2017.
I just think the notion of going after Wade at this point is ridiculous, and goes against everything they said they wanted to change when they dealt Rose.
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Twitter saying Wade to Bulls.
Now I want Matthews, Novak and Crowder. Make this happen Bulls.
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Awful.
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http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bulls/report-dwyane-wade-sign-bulls
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Will be interesting to see if this actually happens.
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/750863038505418752
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It bothers me that the Bulls don't know who they are, there's no identity there whatsoever. Signing a soon to be 35 year old Wade, who will play maybe 60 games, at $20-$25 million a year does nothing for them long term. Wade/Rondo/Butler tandem would be a trainwreck. I can't buy the Wade will sell tickets argument because the Bulls are going to draw 18k-22k a night next season.
In the NBA especially, you have to draft young superstars to have the best chance to succeed long term. Generally, you have to be bad to really bad, or trade away assets to get a chance to draft high. Bulls have/had a perfect opportunity right in front of them to both be really bad and trade away an asset to get a second high pick in a loaded 2017 draft, and have significant cap space for summer 2017.
I just think the notion of going after Wade at this point is ridiculous, and goes against everything they said they wanted to change when they dealt Rose.
I can't argue with anything you say here Dish. It is deep fried in logic. But the Warrior inside me wants to see Jimmy and Dwayne together in those red jerseys. I can't help it!!! HELP ME LORD I WANT TO SEE IT!!!
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I can't argue with anything you say here Dish. It is deep fried in logic. But the Warrior inside me wants to see Jimmy and Dwayne together in those red jerseys. I can't help it!!! HELP ME LORD I WANT TO SEE IT!!!
I'm with Rushmore. (except for the spelling) Anyone know a free agent shooter? Preferably someone who's familiar with the Bulls' newest addition?
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Rondo is excited.
https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/750867514050031617
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Damm, was hoping for the Bucks.
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Damm, was hoping for the Bucks.
Bucks Bulls games will be more fun is the consolation.
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Paint Touches @PaintTouches 21m21 minutes ago
Last time #mubb had two players on one team was one game the Lakers had both Buycks and Blue. Just a tad different.
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Bulls will send Dunleavy to either Milwaukee or Cleveland. Calderon will be a Net.
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Twitter saying Wade to Bulls.
Now I want Matthews, Novak and Crowder. Make this happen Bulls.
Well they need cheap player so Novak, maybe Hayward and Blue or McNeal from the DLeague?
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Hoiberg wasn't happy just taking Marquette players in college he needs to do it in the pros to
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I'm with Rushmore. (except for the spelling) Anyone know a free agent shooter? Preferably someone who's familiar with the Bulls' newest addition?
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3018/steve-novak
8-)
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Hoiberg wasn't happy just taking Marquette players in college he needs to do it in the pros to
Winner winner chicken dinner 8-)
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Crean to coach the Bulls
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theScore @theScore 3m3 minutes ago
The Bulls are reportedly finalizing a deal to send Mike Dunleavy to the Cavaliers. http://thesco.re/29k5LCp
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There's no conceivable way an offense of Rondo/Wade/Butler can or will work. At least with Rose/Butler, it was only two guys.
I wonder if they're going to deal Butler now, which will be comical in that they signed Rondo/Wade in order to do so.
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There's no conceivable way an offense of Rondo/Wade/Butler can or will work. At least with Rose/Butler, it was only two guys.
I wonder if they're going to deal Butler now, which will be comical in that they signed Rondo/Wade in order to do so.
Rondo is at least a pass first point guard, Rose was not. I don't even care if it works, they're just so long as Derrick and Reggie Rose are gone from chicago.
Also, much better defensive team than last year.
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https://www.google.com/amp/basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/242732/Dwyane-Wade-Agrees-To-Sign-With-Bulls#
My take is given that the deal is 2 year 47 mill means the Heat wanted to see him go. Good luck with Hassan Whiteside as your centerpiece.
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Twitter saying Wade to Bulls.
Now I want Matthews, Novak and Crowder. Make this happen Bulls.
And go back in time and draft Ellenson.
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The theory of Wade coming home, having two Marquette alums starring on the same team, it all sounds nice. I've liked seeing Butler come back as a recruiting tool, and imagine having a future Hall of Famer doing the same won't hurt.
But from a basketball perspective...why? So figure the lineup will be Rondo/Wade/Butler/Mirotic/Lopez. Maybe Gibson instead of Mirotic, but I can't see either being a big difference maker. Is that a playoff team? Ehh. If they weren't last year, why would they be this year? Does this allow them to play up-tempo, running ball? I really don't get these moves. This is a team that is unable to decide if they want to rebuild or make another run. That's how the Bucks were stuck in that 7th-10th place mediocrity for years.
The Bulls front office is just clueless. They lucked into drafting Rose and it almost got them to a Finals, and further lucked into the best 30th pick in NBA history (sorry, Gheorghe Muresan) and couldn't make that work. They think this will work? Talk about a franchise going nowhere fast.
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The theory of Wade coming home, having two Marquette alums starring on the same team, it all sounds nice. I've liked seeing Butler come back as a recruiting tool, and imagine having a future Hall of Famer doing the same won't hurt.
But from a basketball perspective...why? So figure the lineup will be Rondo/Wade/Butler/Mirotic/Lopez. Maybe Gibson instead of Mirotic, but I can't see either being a big difference maker. Is that a playoff team? Ehh. If they weren't last year, why would they be this year? Does this allow them to play up-tempo, running ball? I really don't get these moves. This is a team that is unable to decide if they want to rebuild or make another run. That's how the Bucks were stuck in that 7th-10th place mediocrity for years.
The Bulls front office is just clueless. They lucked into drafting Rose and it almost got them to a Finals, and further lucked into the best 30th pick in NBA history (sorry, Gheorghe Muresan) and couldn't make that work. They think this will work? Talk about a franchise going nowhere fast.
After taking off the MU glasses and putting on my Bulls glasses it's very frustrating. Either Wade's got some stem cell therapy on his knees to make him 25 again or his agent is a master salesman. Either way though this team is certainly a playoff team, it could even make the Eastern finals before getting blown out by Cleveland because its the east and the playoffs aren't that hard.
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Can't argue with anybody who is questioning the Bulls front office here. Is there a plan? Short term? Long term? Or are they just blindly thrashing around and hoping? Your 3 smalls all have the same skill set. Pretty sure that playing off of them and taking away the lane is the easiest defensive call in the league.
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Wade has experience and he may play a big role in developing Denzell Valentine and conceivably even getting more production out of Doug McDermott.
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The theory of Wade coming home, having two Marquette alums starring on the same team, it all sounds nice. I've liked seeing Butler come back as a recruiting tool, and imagine having a future Hall of Famer doing the same won't hurt.
But from a basketball perspective...why? So figure the lineup will be Rondo/Wade/Butler/Mirotic/Lopez. Maybe Gibson instead of Mirotic, but I can't see either being a big difference maker. Is that a playoff team? Ehh. If they weren't last year, why would they be this year? Does this allow them to play up-tempo, running ball? I really don't get these moves. This is a team that is unable to decide if they want to rebuild or make another run. That's how the Bucks were stuck in that 7th-10th place mediocrity for years.
The Bulls front office is just clueless. They lucked into drafting Rose and it almost got them to a Finals, and further lucked into the best 30th pick in NBA history (sorry, Gheorghe Muresan) and couldn't make that work. They think this will work? Talk about a franchise going nowhere fast.
If Wade is as healthy and effective as he was this past season, he will be very good for the Bulls.
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Can't argue with anybody who is questioning the Bulls front office here. Is there a plan? Short term? Long term? Or are they just blindly thrashing around and hoping? Your 3 smalls all have the same skill set. Pretty sure that playing off of them and taking away the lane is the easiest defensive call in the league.
The Bulls front office absolutely had no plan.
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As a Bulls fan here's the way I think about it. One, Derrick Rose is gone that aline constitutes the offseason as a win.
Two Wade and Rondo are on 2 year contracts and Jimmy will have pretty high value for at least 2 more years. You can always blow it up in 2 years time.
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Wade I apparently has a player option on the 2nd year so he may only be there a year.
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Wade has experience and he may play a big role in developing Denzell Valentine and conceivably even getting more production out of Doug McDermott.
How the hell is Wade going to get more production out of McDermott? Is he a magician?
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The player option here is really interesting. I'm not surprised at all he got it, every star player will get it these days. However, considering his age/health, I'd be shocked if he isn't a Bull in '17-'18...but at what price point?
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After taking off the MU glasses and putting on my Bulls glasses it's very frustrating. Either Wade's got some stem cell therapy on his knees to make him 25 again or his agent is a master salesman. Either way though this team is certainly a playoff team, it could even make the Eastern finals before getting blown out by Cleveland because its the east and the playoffs aren't that hard.
Maybe so...I just see a team with virtually no chemistry because they have three new starters. Bench seems a bit underwhelming with all the departures. That, and I'm not convinced Hoiberg is a NBA coach, and certainly not sure he's put together the right roster for the system he wants to run.
The Bulls were clearly becoming Jimmy's team, and Jimmy was pretty clearly not on the same page as the coach. I don't see how that's changed. Sure, the Rose issue is gone, but just because one problem is gone doesn't mean all the other issues in Chicago have gone away.
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If the Bucks want more players who demand the ball and can't stretch the floor, I think Moose might be available?
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As a Bulls fan here's the way I think about it. One, Derrick Rose is gone that aline constitutes the offseason as a win.
Two Wade and Rondo are on 2 year contracts and Jimmy will have pretty high value for at least 2 more years. You can always blow it up in 2 years time.
Amen. I don't understand all the criticism here. The Bulls have spent almost two decades trying to build back up. Yet, they're supposed to just completely blow it up this year because injuries derailed the career trajectories of Rose and Noah?
Let's see...they replace a Chicago playground legend whose body let him down with another hometown hero who is much more durable, if not completely sound health-wise. The departure didn't like to work or mentor younger players, and by most accounts the arrival does both those things. Plus, the arrival surely understands he's in the "swan song" of his career, and one would think he could defer to an upcoming fellow MU alum.
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How the hell is Wade going to get more production out of McDermott? Is he a magician?
Wade took great pride in mentoring Heat rookies and younger players, but I agree, McBuckets needs almost supernatural help.
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Butler may also be a beneficiary of Wade's mentorship in terms of being a better-received leader in the locker room.
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Butler may also be a beneficiary of Wade's mentorship in terms of being a better-received leader in the locker room.
Absolutely! In terms of the reception of Jimmy's leadership, this is a rare case of addition by subtraction AND addition
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How can an MU fan not be more psyched about this? Butler to Wade for the jam? It's a dream scenario.
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Seeing Jimmy and Wade together well be cool (Bucks fan here), but it's going to be a disaster. Rondo is a marginal offensive upgrade over Rose in terms of fit, if at all. This is not a team that has the luxury of resting Wade 3/4 of the year and thinking they can coast to the playoffs. They need a guy who can stepout and knock down 3s, and they just traded him
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Seeing Jimmy and Wade together well be cool (Bucks fan here), but it's going to be a disaster. Rondo is a marginal offensive upgrade over Rose in terms of fit, if at all. This is not a team that has the luxury of resting Wade 3/4 of the year and thinking they can coast to the playoffs. They need a guy who can stepout and knock down 3s, and they just traded him
Yea the only thing I'm kinda bummed about is that Dunleavy got shipped out right away
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if you think the NBA salaries are high now, wait until after next year, the salary cap is expected to go to about $107 mil for 2017-18 season. benchies wil be making $3-6 mil/year
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This line from the ESPN article is all I care about.....pretty cool.
Wade and Butler, who are both Marquette products, are looking forward to playing together, according to the source.
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if you think the NBA salaries are high now, wait until after next year, the salary cap is expected to go to about $107 mil for 2017-18 season. benchies wil be making $3-6 mil/year
Delly got $9M/year. Leuer got $12M/year. It's already happening.
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This may have been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, but isn't Wade taking less $ to go to Chicago over Miami once you take into account state income taxes?
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This may have been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, but isn't Wade taking less $ to go to Chicago over Miami once you take into account state income taxes?
Someone else would have to do the math about whether his after-tax pay is more than Florida which has no income tax, but Illinois has one of the lower state income taxes in the country for ultra high earners (it is a flat 3.75% rate for ALL incomes), among states that have an income tax. It is lower than Wisconsin's lowest bracket (4.40%).
So you could say that about literally any team that is located in a state with an income tax.
http://www.money-zine.com/financial-planning/tax-shelter/state-income-tax-rates/
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Some thoughts:
- Dunleavy is 35 and just came off of back surgery. Same age as Wade. Not sure what the Bulls could get out of him if at all this year.
- The Bulls have two guys in McDermott and Mirotic that can shoot. Rondo and Wade can create shots for them.
- As a MU fan I can only think that this is good for recruiting.
The whole point of the Rondo/Wade deals are for management to not get fired. They screwed this whole thing up through poor drafts in the last few years, signing Hoiberg, etc. Reinsdorf doesn’t pay people to go away, the Bulls are therefore stuck with Hoiberg for the foreseeable future. He was signed for five years I believe.
The signings are a stop gap so they can make the playoffs, in the poor Eastern conference, and can say “but we made the playoffs.” Then they can try to re-tool in the next year or two and hope the McDermott and Mirotic become the players they thought they were when the drafted them.
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Some thoughts:
- Dunleavy is 35 and just came off of back surgery. Same age as Wade. Not sure what the Bulls could get out of him if at all this year.
- The Bulls have two guys in McDermott and Mirotic that can shoot. Rondo and Wade can create shots for them.
- As a MU fan I can only think that this is good for recruiting.
The whole point of the Rondo/Wade deals are for management to not get fired. They screwed this whole thing up through poor drafts in the last few years, signing Hoiberg, etc. Reinsdorf doesn’t pay people to go away, the Bulls are therefore stuck with Hoiberg for the foreseeable future. He was signed for five years I believe.
The signings are a stop gap so they can make the playoffs, in the poor Eastern conference, and can say “but we made the playoffs.” Then they can try to re-tool in the next year or two and hope the McDermott and Mirotic become the players they thought they were when the drafted them.
Hopefully Valentine can hit the 3 as well and Jimmy shows some improvement. Spacing is going to be an issue.
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Wade showing a good sense of humor and doing a nice job on the Kelly Ripa show.
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Diener to the Bulls
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The Bulls front office absolutely had no plan.
Exactly. I would imagine that had they thought there was a realistic chance of Wade joining the team, they wouldn't have signed a ball-dominating player like Rondo. They may have been OK rolling with Calderon/Grant/Dinwiddie at the point. They also could have bought low on one of Wade's Miami buddies, Mario Chalmers or Norris Cole to see if they have anything left. Another cheap option could have been high IQ, spot-up shooting PG Isaiah Canaan. Wade and Butler can make plays and run the offense so they could use a PG who can defend and spread the floor. That's definitely not Rondo.
In the end, the Bulls have 3 perimeter players who all want the ball along with some underwhelming bigs.
As a Marquette alum and Bulls fan, I think it'll be great to see Wade in a Bulls uni, but from a purely basketball standpoint, it basically means the Bulls will be battling for a 4-6 seed in the East instead of a 7-8 seed.
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One big benefit of Wades move to Chicago is we can have our coaches easily show up at Zaires games in the future.
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Exactly. I would imagine that had they thought there was a realistic chance of Wade joining the team, they wouldn't have signed a ball-dominating player like Rondo. They may have been OK rolling with Calderon/Grant/Dinwiddie at the point. They also could have bought low on one of Wade's Miami buddies, Mario Chalmers or Norris Cole to see if they have anything left. Another cheap option could have been high IQ, spot-up shooting PG Isaiah Canaan. Wade and Butler can make plays and run the offense so they could use a PG who can defend and spread the floor. That's definitely not Rondo.
In the end, the Bulls have 3 perimeter players who all want the ball along with some underwhelming bigs.
As a Marquette alum and Bulls fan, I think it'll be great to see Wade in a Bulls uni, but from a purely basketball standpoint, it basically means the Bulls will be battling for a 4-6 seed in the East instead of a 7-8 seed.
That's kind of where I am falling on this. They've made themselves good enough to be good...and what does that do you? This seems to be the exact type of moves that management makes when they are trying to hang on. Sure, they will win a few more games than last year. But in the end it really isn't going to matter.
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Someone else would have to do the math about whether his after-tax pay is more than Florida which has no income tax, but Illinois has one of the lower state income taxes in the country for ultra high earners (it is a flat 3.75% rate for ALL incomes), among states that have an income tax. It is lower than Wisconsin's lowest bracket (4.40%).
So you could say that about literally any team that is located in a state with an income tax.
http://www.money-zine.com/financial-planning/tax-shelter/state-income-tax-rates/
Plus, players are taxed based on where the games are played. With only half the games at home, the difference probably isn't that much.
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That's kind of where I am falling on this. They've made themselves good enough to be good...and what does that do you? This seems to be the exact type of moves that management makes when they are trying to hang on. Sure, they will win a few more games than last year. But in the end it really isn't going to matter.
They'll eventually need to blow it up. And I have no confidence in this front office to effectively rebuild the team. So I can wait to suck for a couple of more years and enjoy seeing Jimmy and DWade play together in the meantime.
And like you said, the Bulls aren't winning the title either way.
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This may have been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, but isn't Wade taking less $ to go to Chicago over Miami once you take into account state income taxes?
For many players, this matters. For many, though, the pure top-line numbers are what matter because those equal "respect" in their eyes.
Dwyane Wade doesn't need the tax savings. Assuming his money people aren't idiots or crooks, he already is set for life, Zaire is set for life, and Zaire's great-grandchildren are set for life.
Wade felt disrespected by Riley and Heat ownership. He had to battle for his money last year and he was disappointed that he had to do so again this year.
I have no idea what the tax implications are, but even if $40 million from the Heat might have been worth a few more after-tax dollars than $47 million from the Bulls, Wade undoubtedly felt more respected by the Bulls.
Athletes say, "It's not about the money" all the time, and we roll our eyes at them. But for many of them, it really ISN'T about the money because they've already got so much of it. For LeBron, it was about returning "home." For others, it's about one last shot at an elusive title. For still others, it really is about the respect.
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This line from the ESPN article is all I care about.....pretty cool.
Wade and Butler, who are both Marquette products, are looking forward to playing together, according to the source.
This. Seriously, this is MUScoop? If you want to man-crush on Rondo's hindo or McBucket's McNuggets, then go find a BBS with a picture of Benny the Bull plastered all over it. (aside: fu#k you Benny the Bull, and your name stealing, ABS-whoring mother... I'm not big on puns this morning, but here's a riddle for you: what's red, black and about to be castrated if I ever run into you... put that on your cute little billboard, your crooked-horned, Becky-loving mule raper.) What warm-blooded MU fan wouldn't be basking in the sheer awesomeness of watching two NBA all-stars who were virtual unknowns and third-class cagers until they stepped foot onto MU's campus starting for the same team.
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(aside: fu#k you Benny the Bull, and your name stealing, ABS-whoring mother... I'm not big on puns this morning, but here's a riddle for you: what's red, black and about to be castrated if I ever run into you... put that on your cute little billboard, your crooked-horned, Becky-loving mule raper.)
Wow! Sounds like we shouldn't let Benny loose in the corrida.
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Seeing Jimmy and Wade together well be cool (Bucks fan here), but it's going to be a disaster. Rondo is a marginal offensive upgrade over Rose in terms of fit, if at all. This is not a team that has the luxury of resting Wade 3/4 of the year and thinking they can coast to the playoffs. They need a guy who can stepout and knock down 3s, and they just traded him
Wade played 74 games last year and over 30 MPG.
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Bold prediction: Jimmy Butler punches Rajon Rondo. In the face. On or before the 41st game of the season.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/dwyane-wade-to-bulls-chicago-on-a-road-to-nowhere-as-heat-left-hanging/ar-BBu1OQq?li=BBnba9I
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One big benefit of Wades move to Chicago is we can have our coaches easily show up at Zaires games in the future.
Before the trade was announce last night, Glow and I were talking about the possibility (okay, fantasy) of him going to the Bucks, and one of the advantages being that it would be a good possibility that Dwyane's boys would end up attending Marquette High. Nice and convenient....
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Wade played 74 games last year and over 30 MPG.
Want to put money that it won't happen again? He has only played in about 80% of the total games in his career and only 78% since he turned 30. He isn't getting any younger. I don't think generalizing and saying 3/4's of the game is a stretch at all.
ETA: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html
And his numbers were dipping last year despite a pretty good season. His TS% was down to 52% on less shots. He isn't trending the right way.
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Wade played 74 games last year and over 30 MPG.
Last year was an anomaly in that he A.) stayed healthy and B.) wasn't on a team with 2 active all stars that could afford routine nights off. The safe money is on that not happening again.
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Adding Dwyane Wade and Rajon Rondo to a roster that already has a two-time All-Star and 2009 All-Rookie Team member Taj Gibson should put the Bulls on track to compete for the 2010 NBA title.
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Adding Dwyane Wade and Rajon Rondo to a roster that already has a two-time All-Star and 2009 All-Rookie Team member Taj Gibson should put the Bulls on track to compete for the 2010 NBA title.
Same deal with the Knicks. Should be a great ECF.
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Before the trade was announce last night, Glow and I were talking about the possibility (okay, fantasy) of him going to the Bucks, and one of the advantages being that it would be a good possibility that Dwyane's boys would end up attending Marquette High. Nice and convenient....
Wojo needs to stay close to those young Wades. Will be interesting to see where Zaire goes to High School in two years.
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Wojo needs to stay close to those young Wades. Will be interesting to see where Zaire goes to High School in two years.
Look, it was somewhat amusing to put up with your Kostas obsession over the last year, but are we really going to have to put up with your Zaire obsession for the next six years?
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Look, it was somewhat amusing to put up with your Kostas obsession over the last year, but are we really going to have to put up with your Zaire obsession for the next six years?
He is worth obsessing over.
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He is worth obsessing over.
He's like 12!
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He is worth obsessing over.
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He's like 12!
He is 14 and his 2021 class will be on the radar screen before you know it.
Schools are making offers to 2019s right now.
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Lol my first thought as well.
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Plus, players are taxed based on where the games are played. With only half the games at home, the difference probably isn't that much.
BUT, it's not just the players(on both sides) but everyone else associated with the team. this is ONE of the reasons why they said it was soooo important to keep the bucks here. the minute they touch down in wisconsin, the tax meter starts purrrrring
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He's like 12!
He is NY's Damon Bailey.
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He is NY's Damon Bailey.
More appropriate would be the brother or son of Damon Bailey
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He is worth obsessing over.
Creepy, foul, disgusting, and plain old pathetic.
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Want to put money that it won't happen again? He has only played in about 80% of the total games in his career and only 78% since he turned 30. He isn't getting any younger. I don't think generalizing and saying 3/4's of the game is a stretch at all.
ETA: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html
And his numbers were dipping last year despite a pretty good season. His TS% was down to 52% on less shots. He isn't trending the right way.
He said resting 3/4 of the year, not playing 3/4 of the year. I get that it's (hopefully) exaggeration, but it was way off.
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Last year was an anomaly in that he A.) stayed healthy and B.) wasn't on a team with 2 active all stars that could afford routine nights off. The safe money is on that not happening again.
Routine nights off would put him in the same boat as most other stars.
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Creepy, foul, disgusting, and plain old pathetic.
Keep projecting.
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He said resting 3/4 of the year, not playing 3/4 of the year. I get that it's (hopefully) exaggeration, but it was way off.
Misspoke, I meant PLAYING 3/4, though thought that mistake would be somewhat obvious. To Marty's point, here is Wade's career. I don't think anyone doubts he can be impactful when he's playing. Last year showed it - he absolutely carried that team. But the odds aren't in his favor that he's going to be able to play all of the games, and further, short of Milwaukee, I can't think of a team that he fits in worse with. It is what it is, but the Bulls just tore down their roster and sold (marginally positive) assets to jump from the 9th team in the East to (in my mind, best case scenario) 5th. To make that jump, though, they need to maximize their best players, which means fewer days off.
Season GP % of GA
'03-'04 61 74%
'04-'05 77 94%
'05-'06 75 91%
'06-'07 51 62%
'07-'08 51 62%
'08-'09 79 96%
'09-'10 77 94%
'10-'11 76 93%
'11-'12* 49 74%
'12-'13 69 84%
'13-'14 54 66%
'14-'15 62 76%
'15-'16 74 90%
*Lockout shortened season of 66 games
Total GP 855
Total Games available 1050
% of GP 81%
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Crean sucks
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He is worth obsessing over.
No kid is worth obsessing over. Ever. Ever. Ever.
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No kid is worth obsessing over. Ever. Ever. Ever.
I know but it is a hot summer day and just trying to have something to discuss.
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ND sucks
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Look, it was somewhat amusing to put up with your Kostas obsession over the last year, but are we really going to have to put up with your Zaire obsession for the next six years?
I'm convinced it is performance art
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Jordan is about to become a grandfather.
I sure hope Wojo will be waiting in the delivery room.
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Jordan is about to become a grandfather.
I sure hope Wojo will be waiting in the delivery room.
Because MJs kids were transcendent basketball talents?
Wojo needs to stay close to those young Wades. Will be interesting to see where Zaire goes to High School in two years.
Early money has to be on Simeon, ya?
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Early money has to be on Simeon, ya?
No way in hell. It'll be Whitney or like a Notre Dame. I'll put good money on Whitney.
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Because MJs kids were transcendent basketball talents?
Early money has to be on Simeon, ya?
Don't think the Wades will be living in the Simeon district.
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Wojo needs to stay close to those young Wades. Will be interesting to see where Zaire goes to High School in two years.
Reminds me of the infamous Chones triplets. Weren't they supposed to have saved the program?
Austin Rivers' father was an all-time great and now a member of our Board of Trustees. But I don't see Austin Rivers' jersey hanging anywhere at MU?
Lets see how things pan out in the years ahead.
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Robins, ai'na?
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Don't think the Wades will be living in the Simeon district.
Why does anyone think they'll be moving out of South Florida?
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Robins, ai'na?
Yep, he ain't goin back, but he may be introduced as from there, ala the early career shoe commercial. Derrick Rose was never "from Memphis", and well, uh, seeing as he had a shadow test-taker... I would love to have the Bulls pr people allow a "dual citizenship" for player intros re DWade.."From Robbins, IL, via Marquette...."
O well, whatever, just hoping my Stanford/Lopez twin horrors subside after the first few Bulls games
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No way in hell. It'll be Whitney or like a Notre Dame. I'll put good money on Whitney.
Doubt they'd be in Chicago. If they were I'd expect Loyola if private and Whitney if public. Never count out OPRF though!
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Because MJs kids were transcendent basketball talents?
Early money has to be on Simeon, ya?
I heard it skips a generation.
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Doubt they'd be in Chicago. If they were I'd expect Loyola if private and Whitney if public. Never count out OPRF though!
Follow in Iman's footsteps, eh?? Or maybe Maggette's and be a Friar...
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Never count out OPRF though!
I would walk to every game.
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Reminds me of the infamous Chones triplets. Weren't they supposed to have saved the program?
Austin Rivers' father was an all-time great and now a member of our Board of Trustees. But I don't see Austin Rivers' jersey hanging anywhere at MU?
Lets see how things pan out in the years ahead.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2004-02-05-choneses_x.htm
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Robins, ai'na?
Nah... nicer than that. Need to be near a country club, at least. Now that I mention it, Country Club Hills did produce one MU phenom.
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Someone's gotta ask willie if he was lusting for a three-way with Mary-Kate and Ashley back in 1990!
Anyone remember when HANDC did their "Hell in a Cell" contest back in the early 2000s? I think it was the ShepExpress who interviewed all of the contestants before hand, and one of the questions they asked was "If you were going to jail tomorrow, what would you do?" The guy responded "The Olson twins because I'm already going to jail anyway."
I think I know who Willie is now.
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Follow in Iman's footsteps, eh?? Or maybe Maggette's and be a Friar...
I don't like this fantasy as much :(
I would walk to every game.
Is it even worth walking if you can't go to tasty dog?
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The former Mrs. Wade wants a piece of the deal.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/ct-dwyane-wade-siohvaughn-funches-0708-chicago-inc-20160707-story.html
No rest for the weary.
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The former Mrs. Wade wants a piece of the deal.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/ct-dwyane-wade-siohvaughn-funches-0708-chicago-inc-20160707-story.html
No rest for the weary.
sooooo, if dwade would've become destitute ::), siohvaugn would've helped him out then heyheyheyn'a? she decides 3 years later that her attorney has done her wrong and NOW feels she is entitled to some more of that love that dwade has??
as the late great jimmy morrison once said-"i wanna get my kicks before this whole chithouse goes up in flames"
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The former Mrs. Wade wants a piece of the deal.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/ct-dwyane-wade-siohvaughn-funches-0708-chicago-inc-20160707-story.html
No rest for the weary.
She sure does like blaming other people for everything....
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She sure does like blaming other people for everything....
I hope the next judge who has the misfortune of hearing her stupid case not only dismisses it, but makes her pay Dwyane's legal fees.
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He should just toss the broad a mil. and get rid of da beach, hey?
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He should just toss the broad a mil. and get rid of da beach, hey?
Think he has already done that and then some
Does not seem to be working out.
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He should just toss the broad a mil. and get rid of da beach, hey?
I think she is getting alimony currently. She is actually suing her attorney for malpractice under some theory that enable her to void the original deal. She goes through attorneys like Hotcakes.
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Excellent article in Palm Beach Post
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/basketball/despite-messy-breakup-dwyane-wade-still-loves-pat-/nrwDG/
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He should just toss the broad a mil. and get rid of da beach, hey?
Do you feed a stray cat just once hoping that will get rid of them?
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Do you feed a stray cat just once hoping that will get rid of them?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chicagoinc/ct-siohvaughn-wade-autobiography-0720-chicago-inc-20160720-story.html