What's your all-time Marquette team?

[Goose]

Doc

I agree Dean was best PG. Think we are in agreement on about 99% of the player reviews over past 40+ seasons. Since I am much younger than you , your memory of pre '70's is better than mine. Feel very fortunate to have seen the greats play in my lifetime. Hope we get to add a couple to the list before go off the air.

[dgies9156]

Doc

I agree Dean was best PG. Think we are in agreement on about 99% of the player reviews over past 40+ seasons. Since I am much younger than you , your memory of pre '70's is better than mine. Feel very fortunate to have seen the greats play in my lifetime. Hope we get to add a couple to the list before go off the air.

Goose, you raise an interesting point about better and best point guards -- and guards period. One of the things I wonder about is whether training, coaching and endurance is better today than it was 40 years or more ago. There are some players, like Butch, Dean, Sam, Glenn and DWade, who could play in any era. But, could an Allie McGuire, for example, be the catalyst today he was in the early 1970s? I don't know but I'm curious what the universe thinks.

One of the things that I find interesting is Pete Maravich. He's an all-time great, but his Daddy was head coach at LSU during his tenure. His team was so bad Pistol Pete was the entire offense and he shot 50 to 60 times a game -- or more. Could Maravich have gained the notoriety today with better perimeter defenses, faster guards, and more depth? I seriously doubt it, which is why I tend to think it's tough to compare eras, especially before the late 1960s.

[Herman Cain]

Goose, you raise an interesting point about better and best point guards -- and guards period. One of the things I wonder about is whether training, coaching and endurance is better today than it was 40 years or more ago. There are some players, like Butch, Dean, Sam, Glenn and DWade, who could play in any era. But, could an Allie McGuire, for example, be the catalyst today he was in the early 1970s? I don't know but I'm curious what the universe thinks.

One of the things that I find interesting is Pete Maravich. He's an all-time great, but his Daddy was head coach at LSU during his tenure. His team was so bad Pistol Pete was the entire offense and he shot 50 to 60 times a game -- or more. Could Maravich have gained the notoriety today with better perimeter defenses, faster guards, and more depth? I seriously doubt it, which is why I tend to think it's tough to compare eras, especially before the late 1960s.

I saw Pistol Pete torch one of the best NBA Defensive Guards for over 40 points. There is no question he would have been great today. With the rules the way they are now he may even have been better.

[Goose]

dgies9156

Very biased here, but Pistol Pete could have played in any era, any style of ball and anyone's Dad as a coach. The Pistol was one of the rare talents the sport has ever seen and IMO he will remain a rare talent 50 years from now.

Now for Allie, again very biased, I think Allie was quite lucky to have played his Dad. I think the world of Allie as a person, glad he played at MU. That said, what he is a person, his off court success trumps his on court prowess by quite a large degree.

[mileskishnish72]

Geez, Mark, Dean the Dream of the third string of most exciting players? You have to have not seen him.

[Marcus92]

Results updated. Seems like the votes have tailed off — only one Scooper has posted an all-time Marquette team since Saturday. So this might be the final tally, as judged by 29 MU Scoop contributors:

All-Time Marquette, 1st team
G Dwyane Wade (131)
C Jim Chones (128)
F Maurice Lucas (104)
F Bo Ellis (97)
G Butch Lee (90)

All-Time Marquette, 2nd team
G Dean Meminger (81)
G George Thompson (47)
F Jae Crowder (35)
G Doc Rivers (34)
G Earl Tatum (27)

All-Time Marquette, 3rd team
F Don Kojis (26)
G Travis Diener (23)
C Jerome Whitehead (18)
F Steve Novak (16)
F Lazar Hayward (15)

All-Time Marquette, honorable mention
G Jerel McNeal (14)
G Sam Worthen (11)
F Larry McNeil (12)
C Jim McIlvane (10)
F Jimmy Butler (8)
C Robert Jackson (8)

[keefe]

dgies9156

Very biased here, but Pistol Pete could have played in any era, any style of ball and anyone's Dad as a coach. The Pistol was one of the rare talents the sport has ever seen and IMO he will remain a rare talent 50 years from now.

Now for Allie, again very biased, I think Allie was quite lucky to have played his Dad. I think the world of Allie as a person, glad he played at MU. That said, what he is a person, his off court success trumps his on court prowess by quite a large degree.

Goose

Agree on Pistol. One of a kind player.

I recall that when Al was asked why he started Allie he replied that it was because he slept with the kid's mother.

[Lennys Tap]

Goose

Agree on Pistol. One of a kind player.

I recall that when Al was asked why he started Allie he replied that it was because he slept with the kid's mother.

George (Sugar) Frazier once complained to Al:

Why does Allie start and get most of the minutes? I'm as good as he is!

Al replied:

As good won't cut it Suge. Allie's my kid. You want his minutes it's gotta be a knockout!

[dgies9156]

Goose

Agree on Pistol. One of a kind player.

I recall that when Al was asked why he started Allie he replied that it was because he slept with the kid's mother.

No chance. He was Allie McGuire good playing in a conference where Allie McGuire good would make you all-conference and, potentially, conference player of the year.

I was never impressed by Maravich, and I saw him a lot, both at Memorial Gym when he played Vanderbilt and on TVS, when LSU was on the SEC Game of the Week. The only year where I was at all impressed by him was in his senior year when LSU recruited Fig Newton and Apple Sanders, both of whom gave LSU an inside presence. Still he was average compared to what we've seen since. He shot a million times and made six.

Oh, and for the record, Marquette played Maravich and LSU on the way to our 1970 NIT Championship. Kicked their Bengal Tiger backsides 101-79. For an Al McGuire team to score 101 points was really something and suggested the opposition stank, or least couldn't pay defense worth a darn.

[Herman Cain]

No chance. He was Allie McGuire good playing in a conference where Allie McGuire good would make you all-conference and, potentially, conference player of the year.

I was never impressed by Maravich, and I saw him a lot, both at Memorial Gym when he played Vanderbilt and on TVS, when LSU was on the SEC Game of the Week. The only year where I was at all impressed by him was in his senior year when LSU recruited Fig Newton and Apple Sanders, both of whom gave LSU an inside presence. Still he was average compared to what we've seen since. He shot a million times and made six.

Oh, and for the record, Marquette played Maravich and LSU on the way to our 1970 NIT Championship. Kicked their Bengal Tiger backsides 101-79. For an Al McGuire team to score 101 points was really something and suggested the opposition stank, or least couldn't pay defense worth a darn.

I respect the fact that you saw Pistol Pete play. Yes he played with lousy teams his entire career. However, I completely disagree with  the rest of your analysis. I saw him play many times and was always impressed by what he delivered .

Pistol was not only a great college player but he also was one of the all time greats in the NBA. The guy led the NBA in scoring one year and scored 68 points in a game which at the time was the 3rd most ever in a game and the highest by a guard.

To compare him to Allie McGuire is a disservice to both.

[77ncaachamps]

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[4everwarriors]

No chance. He was Allie McGuire good playing in a conference where Allie McGuire good would make you all-conference and, potentially, conference player of the year.

I was never impressed by Maravich, and I saw him a lot, both at Memorial Gym when he played Vanderbilt and on TVS, when LSU was on the SEC Game of the Week. The only year where I was at all impressed by him was in his senior year when LSU recruited Fig Newton and Apple Sanders, both of whom gave LSU an inside presence. Still he was average compared to what we've seen since. He shot a million times and made six.

Oh, and for the record, Marquette played Maravich and LSU on the way to our 1970 NIT Championship. Kicked their Bengal Tiger backsides 101-79. For an Al McGuire team to score 101 points was really something and suggested the opposition stank, or least couldn't pay defense worth a darn.

"Playin' defense is like watchin' grass grow." Thank ya, Press Maravich, ai na?

[Nukem2]

"Playin' defense is like watchin' grass grow." Thank ya, Press Maravich, ai na?

you'all have trouble not sayin ai na...?   

[4everwarriors]

Its a Quon thang, hey?