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[Herman Cain]

If Markus Howard is truly a 4.0 student taking APs etc then it is likely that he scored over 1200 on the SAT or 105 total on all 4 sections of the ACT. At that point he is actually eligible for an academic scholarship.

If MU is creative they can put together a full ride academic deal for Howard and let him be a walk on.

This would free up another scholarship for us.

[LAZER]

Dude...

[KampusFoods]

SMH

[Tugg Speedman]

If Markus Howard is truly a 4.0 student taking APs etc then it is likely that he scored over 1200 on the SAT or 105 total on all 4 sections of the ACT. At that point he is actually eligible for an academic scholarship.

If MU is creative they can put together a full ride academic deal for Howard and let him be a walk on.

This would free up another scholarship for us.

Is this possible?  I thought the NCAA was very strict about getting around their 13 scholarship limit by "stashing" full-ride players in non-revenue sports or other forms of aid, like low cost loans or "academic scholarships."

My understanding is the only way this works is if the Howard family writes a check to the MU Bursar office for the full amount of tuition and room/board.  Then he can truly be a walk-on free a full-ride spot for another.

[NavinRJohnson]

Cringe

[rocky_warrior]

I *think* Heisy is correct - even if Howard is eligible and receives an academic scholarship, he would still count as one of 13 scholarship players as far as basketball is concerned.  It's just that the funds would not be coming out of the Blue & Gold fund.

[jsglow]

Otherwise football schools like Alabama would do this all the time.

[4everwarriors]

People pullin' chit out der ass, hey?

[Tums Festival]

If Markus Howard is truly a 4.0 student taking APs etc then it is likely that he scored over 1200 on the SAT or 105 total on all 4 sections of the ACT. At that point he is actually eligible for an academic scholarship.

If MU is creative they can put together a full ride academic deal for Howard and let him be a walk on.

This would free up another scholarship for us.

Smoke and mirrors...

[Tugg Speedman]

I *think* Heisy is correct - even if Howard is eligible and receives an academic scholarship, he would still count as one of 13 scholarship players as far as basketball is concerned.  It's just that the funds would not be coming out of the Blue & Gold fund.

Yes, and that would free the B&G fund to give that money to another sport. 

[Cooby Snacks]

Gotta fit Kostas in somehow.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Maybe his old man can get hired at a West coast Jesuit school and Howard can get the free tuition that way.

Better than adopting, a:ina?

[Golden Avalanche]

Cuckoo. Cuckoo. Cuckoo.

[Herman Cain]

Here is the rule I was referring to. 

15.5.3.2.4 Exceptions.
15.5.3.2.4.1 Academic Honor Awards—Based on High School Record. Academic honor
awards that are part of an institution's normal arrangements for academic scholarships, based solely
on the recipient's high school record and awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts
consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by institutions, are exempt from an institution's
equivalency computation, provided the recipient was ranked in the upper 10 percent of the high school
graduating class or achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.500 (based on a maximum
of 4.000) or a minimum ACT sum score of 105 or a minimum SAT score of 1200 (critical reading
and math). (Adopted: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99, Revised: 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 1/16/10 effective 8/1/10)
15.5.3.2.4.1.1 Additional Requirements. The following additional requirements shall be
met: (Adopted: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99, 1/18/14 effective 8/1/14)
(a) The awards may include additional, nonacademic criteria (e.g., interviews, essays, need
analysis), provided the additional criteria are not based on athletics ability, participation or
interests, and the awards are consistent with the pattern of all such awards provided to all
students;
(b) No quota of awards shall be designated for student-athletes;
(c) Athletics participation shall not be required before or after collegiate enrollment;
(d) No athletics department staff member shall be involved in designating the recipients of such
awards; and
(e) Any additional criteria shall not include athletics ability, participation or interests.

[GooooMarquette]

There's always the possibility that Markus wins Powerball and decides to cover his costs.

[KampusFoods]

There's always the possibility that Markus wins Powerball and decides to cover his costs.

More likely than NY's suggestion, IMO

[StillAWarrior]

Here is the rule I was referring to... 

I'm not even remotely suggesting that Howard can or should receive such a scholarship.  But backing up  MU Fan in NY, I have first hand knowledge of an athlete in a headcount sport that was offered a full-tuition Presidential Academic Scholarship for freshman year, and then four years of athletic scholarship  thereafter.  In the Big East.  It was explained that as long as the athlete fully qualifies for the academic scholarship, it is permissible.  Incidentally, the athlete declined the offer and chose another school.

[GGGG]

I don't think Marquette offers any scholarship that includes "full cost of attendance" like an athletic grant in aid would offer.

So this won't work because it wouldn't be "part of an institution's normal arrangements for academic scholarships."

[warriorchick]

What about one of those full-ride  ROTC schollies? 

[keefe]

What about one of those full-ride  ROTC schollies?

That would require a kid to "Man Up" so it's not for everyone

[Herman Cain]

What about one of those full-ride  ROTC schollies?

That would be a good one. Officer Howard has a nice ring to it.

[NotBuzzWilliams]

OJ Mayo could adopt at least one of our players and pay his tuition

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Maybe his old man can get hired at a West coast Jesuit school and Howard can get the free tuition that way.

Better than adopting, a:ina?

[Tugg Speedman]

I'd like to turn this question around ... This is up-and-up, not trying to pull anything shady.

MU (or any basketball team) holds a tryout for walk-ons.   Some kid from the dorms, tries out, impresses and is given the spot.  Say that kid was on an academic scholarship at the the of the try-out and the team already has 13 scholarship players.

Is he not allowed to be on the team?  Does he have to give up his aid to be on the team?  If he is allowed to be the team, how does this differ from the Howard example cited in the first post?

[naginiF]

That would require a kid to "Man Up" so it's not for everyone

Let's not try to make this a meme