NFC North/NFL Thread 2016-17

[Jay Bee]

SKOL VIKINGS!

[Dish]

If I'm the Bears, I want no part of pursuing/signing Josh Norman.

[LAZER]

If I'm the Bears, I want no part of pursuing/signing Josh Norman.

Why?

[Dish]

Why?

Other than the obvious glaring red flags?

[Blackhat]

I would rather the Bears not sign Norman too.

[Dish]

It bugs me reading Chicago media guys be very meatball all in on Norman, ignoring major red flags.

-28 years old, one pretty good year and one very good year (in a contract year)

-Succeded playing zone coverage (I'll give Norman credit in that he'd probably be alright in man)

-Will want long term deal averaging at least the tag number, and guaranteed money highest ever for a CB

-His own team (who was in desperate need for a corner), gave up on him, when they could have gotten more than a 2017 3rd round compensatory pick for him via trade

-The unknown of only what the Panthers know

If there ever was a "buyer beware " player, it's Norman.

[MU82]

IMHO, the Scalping Savages overpaid for Josh Norman, but he probably will have 2-3 very good years for them if he stays healthy.

The Panthers must have been very concerned about Norman's psychological makeup to have removed the franchise tag. I would have kept him for next season, but I don't know the inner workings of the situation.

It's hard for me to criticize the GM too much. The Panthers have won the division in all three of his seasons with the team and almost all of his decisions have been spot-on. (Franchise-tagging Hardy ended up being a mistake, but pretty much any GM would have given the info the Panthers had then.)

[Dish]

Fascinating first round, never seen anything like that before with the Tunsil drama unfolding. Very rough night for Ole Miss.

[jesmu84]

Fascinating first round, never seen anything like that before with the Tunsil drama unfolding. Very rough night for Ole Miss.

As a bears guy, did you like their move? Personally, I did not. Could have sat at 11 and taken BPA. Leonard may have still been available, Hargreaves or Tunsil as well. Felt like they made a move they didn't need to.

[reinko]

Thought it was gonna be Ragland or Jack for GB.  But read that both had medical issues.

Don't know much about this DT,  but seems like a solid pick with BJ gone.

[Dr. Blackheart]

As a bears guy, did you like their move? Personally, I did not. Could have sat at 11 and taken BPA. Leonard may have still been available, Hargreaves or Tunsil as well. Felt like they made a move they didn't need to.

Thought this too as they essentially got another John Thiery/Shea McClellin.  But with the 3-4, this was the thinking with a defense comprised of misfit toys already.

[Blackhat]

Pack should have traded down, easily get a 34 d lineman in picks 40-50.  Linebacker is the athlete position worthy of 1st round in 34 d.

Hopefully this Bruin is better than Datone Jones and his 14 tackles.

[mu03eng]

Pack should have traded down, easily get a 34 d lineman in picks 40-50.  Linebacker is the athlete position worthy of 1st round in 34 d.

Hopefully this Bruin is better than Datone Jones and his 14 tackles.

Should and can are two different things. Have to have trading partners with interest in moving up and the assets to make the move worth it for the packers.

The uneducated fan that I am, I was begging them to take Jack with that pick but maybe there is something more to the knee than is being reported. The way the draft is shaping up the Pack could still get a very solid ILB in round 2 or 3

[mu03eng]

More of a logistics question about the draft. With the change to format, round 1 Thursday, round 2 Friday, 3-4 Saturday, remainder Sunday, do we think that helps or hurts the teams for drafting successfully? So after the first two rounds they get to take a bit of a breather, reset their draft boards, talk to some teams and get ready to go again, whereas in the past the first 4 rounds were fast and furious and you never really got a break.

I know this was all done for revenue purposes but do we think this helps teams make better picks in the early rounds and/or make it more volatile with trades and stuff?

[MerrittsMustache]

As a bears guy, did you like their move? Personally, I did not. Could have sat at 11 and taken BPA. Leonard may have still been available, Hargreaves or Tunsil as well. Felt like they made a move they didn't need to.

I know you didn't as me but as another Bears guy...I'm not a fan of the pick. Floyd is an outstanding athlete but he's undersized and didn't produce much in college. As Doc said, it feels like a Thierry/McClellin redux. Personally, I would have liked to see them take Hargreaves but also would have been pleased with Apple, Tunsil or even Lee. I hope I'm wrong but trading up to draft a project in the top 10 doesn't seem wise for a talent-deficient team.

[MerrittsMustache]

Should and can are two different things. Have to have trading partners with interest in moving up and the assets to make the move worth it for the packers.

The uneducated fan that I am, I was begging them to take Jack with that pick but maybe there is something more to the knee than is being reported. The way the draft is shaping up the Pack could still get a very solid ILB in round 2 or 3

I believe he's admitted that he'll likely need microfracture surgery at some point before too long. He's potentially a guy who plays 2-3 years and is done. Obviously, all these guys are, but most NFL teams don't want to take any chances with medical red flags, especially early in the draft.

[Blackhat]

34 lineman are a dime a dozen.*

But seriously they are.  They are asked to stuff a gap...why we are spending 1st round picks on fattened 34 d lineman I'll never know.

[tower912]

New GM in Detroit realizes the secret to success is to keep Stafford standing up and to create holes for the running backs, which will also keep Stafford on his feet.  Satisfied with the pick at 16.

[Dish]

The things I dislike about the Floyd pick are giving up a 4th to get him, and that Floyd turns 24 in September.

[GGGG]

34 lineman are a dime a dozen.*

But seriously they are.  They are asked to stuff a gap...why we are spending 1st round picks on fattened 34 d lineman I'll never know.

I don't think they are a dime a dozen.  When Raji was at his prime, the Packers' defense was much better than it has been recently.  I would agree that you can find a bunch of "good" ones, but a "very good" one can make a significant difference.

[GGGG]

Fascinating first round, never seen anything like that before with the Tunsil drama unfolding. Very rough night for Ole Miss.

Everything about that was why college football is so awesome, so terrible, and why I love it so much.  Including the head coach with the cadence of a southern preacher.

[muarmy81]

As a bears guy, did you like their move? Personally, I did not. Could have sat at 11 and taken BPA. Leonard may have still been available, Hargreaves or Tunsil as well. Felt like they made a move they didn't need to.

Agreed...It just feels like Floyd is another "McClellin" but who knows, he might end up being another "misfit" defensive player like the "safety" they pulled from New Mexico.

I also agree that I would have preferred not giving up a draft pick to get to him but it sounds like NYG were going to pull the trigger on floyd so I guess Pace did what he felt he needed to.

[swoopem]

I think Floyd is Aldon Smith. I love the pick. Now I'm hoping Connor Cook is available in the second round and the Bears take him. Let him learn under Cutler while Jay plays out his contract then hand him the keys.

If available, Myles Jack would be nice too

[tower912]

Connor Cook in the second round is going to make some team very happy.   The whole 'lack of leadership' thing is peepeekaka. 

[MerrittsMustache]

I think Floyd is Aldon Smith. I love the pick. Now I'm hoping Connor Cook is available in the second round and the Bears take him. Let him learn under Cutler while Jay plays out his contract then hand him the keys.

If available, Myles Jack would be nice too

I hope you're right about Floyd, but Smith was 30 pounds heavier and actually had some production in college.