Marquette Lights app for Saturday's game

[Benny B]

I own a sweater vest... and I wear it, too - several games a year.  Have even worn it in the student section.  Took it to Maui in 2012 hoping to wear it - by itself - as a top to one of the games (though my wife politely "talked me out of that" and helped me with my decision not to buy the stripey overalls either).  And yet, I was merely two weeks conceived on March 28, 1977.

"Sweater Vest" may not be a derogatory term, but it sure as hell is derogatory when I wear it.

[MerrittsMustache]

What's embarrassing about that?

Um, a self-proclaimed "obnoxious" 40yo man waving his arms around and trying to get people to stand up and being mistaken for an "older student" due to his actions.

What's not embarrassing about that?

[Litehouse]

So are they doing the Lights again for Georgetown tomorrow?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Um, a self-proclaimed "obnoxious" 40yo man waving his arms around and trying to get people to stand up and being mistaken for an "older student" due to his actions.

What's not embarrassing about that?

Still don't get it. Why does a fans age dictate how he can show his fanhood? I'm more embarrassed that he had to tell others to stand up!

[🏀]

Still don't get it. Why does a fans age dictate how he can show his fanhood? I'm more embarrassed that he had to tell others to stand up!

Stop.

The game dictates when to stand, not an obnoxious pretty boy.

[Golden Avalanche]

Stop.

The game dictates when to stand, not an obnoxious pretty boy.

+1

[mu_hilltopper]

So are they doing the Lights again for Georgetown tomorrow?

ANSWER:  YES.

Pregame Light Show Continues Tuesday
Have you downloaded the MU Lights app yet? Be a part of the show at the BMO Harris Bradley Center during the intro video prior to our starting lineup being introduced on Tuesday for the final home game of the season.

[rocket surgeon]

    "it sure as hell is derogatory when I wear it."

   it very well could be derogatory if you're not wearing anything underneath said sweater vest-ayn'a?

there must be something about them with the youngsters however.  my son keeps "threatening" me that he is going to buy me one.  i told him, go ahead.  they look like the would be pretty comfortable as a workout shirt.  just think of it as a high class "wife-beater"  or "D" tea (self-censored so as not to offend) 

[wadesworld]

If you look carefully, most of the gaps in the upper deck appear to be due to empty seats.  I can see plenty of light-colored clothing (i.e., gold sweater vests) in the gaps in the lower bowl.

Sounds like the sweater vests are more dedicated then.

[g0lden3agle]

Question - anyone think the same concept would work with the front of the phone, max brightness, and flashes of blue and gold?

[Dr. Blackheart]

There are a lot of Vesties in the lower bowel who just put their phone flashlight on.  #progress

[jsglow]

There are a lot of Vesties in the lower bowel who just put their phone flashlight on.  #progress

Ha. We noticed that too.

[Litehouse]

There are a lot of Vesties in the lower bowel who just put their phone flashlight on.  #progress

I saw a lot of that in the student section too.

[Benny B]

Question - anyone think the same concept would work with the front of the phone, max brightness, and flashes of blue and gold?

In theory, it might work; however, given the difference in lumens/candlepower, only if you had something along the lines of 90-100% participation.

Rough math using estimates found on the interwebs:

iPhone LED (non-flash mode): ~10 lumens

iPhone 4 Screen: ~400 nits (white screen at full brightness)
iPhone 5 Screen: ~500 nits
iPhone 6 Screen: ~550 nits

iPhone 4/4s screen: 5.6 sq.in.
iPhone 5 screen: 6.6 sq.in.
iPhone 6 screen: 9.4 sq.in.

Using the standard RPI weighted average of 25-50-25): 488 / 7.05 sq. in
1550 nits = 1 lumen/sq.in.

∴ Average iPhone Screen = 2.21 lumens

So the average iPhone white screen at 100% brightness puts out about 20% the light of the flash LED.  But a (Marquette) blue-colored screen is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-30% intensity and gold about 70-80% intensity.  So we're now talking about 5% (light output compared to LED light) on blue and 15% on gold.

Judging from the video, there was maybe 10% participation overall, perhaps?  So even if you increased participation 10-fold, the gold lights would be fine, but consider that you're in a dark arena and your eyes won't adjust immediately after a flash of gold, ergo you're probably not going to be able to make out the blue in contrast to the gold (which is 3x brighter than the blue), and so you end up with a gold-light show.

So if you're only going to have a single-colored-light show, might as well go for the LED which gets you exponentially more bang for the participation buck.

Note: The above does not adjust for the luminescence of the Jitterbug's keypad.

/end backyard physics lesson

[drewm88]

In theory, it might work; however, given the difference in lumens/candlepower, only if you had something along the lines of 90-100% participation.

Rough math using estimates found on the interwebs:

iPhone LED (non-flash mode): ~10 lumens

iPhone 4 Screen: ~400 nits (white screen at full brightness)
iPhone 5 Screen: ~500 nits
iPhone 6 Screen: ~550 nits

iPhone 4/4s screen: 5.6 sq.in.
iPhone 5 screen: 6.6 sq.in.
iPhone 6 screen: 9.4 sq.in.

Using the standard RPI weighted average of 25-50-25): 488 / 7.05 sq. in
1550 nits = 1 lumen/sq.in.

∴ Average iPhone Screen = 2.21 lumens

So the average iPhone white screen at 100% brightness puts out about 20% the light of the flash LED.  But a (Marquette) blue-colored screen is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-30% intensity and gold about 70-80% intensity.  So we're now talking about 5% (light output compared to LED light) on blue and 15% on gold.

Judging from the video, there was maybe 10% participation overall, perhaps?  So even if you increased participation 10-fold, the gold lights would be fine, but consider that you're in a dark arena and your eyes won't adjust immediately after a flash of gold, ergo you're probably not going to be able to make out the blue in contrast to the gold (which is 3x brighter than the blue), and so you end up with a gold-light show.

So if you're only going to have a single-colored-light show, might as well go for the LED which gets you exponentially more bang for the participation buck.

Note: The above does not adjust for the luminescence of the Jitterbug's keypad.

/end backyard physics lesson

Yeah...I got the same answer he got.

[g0lden3agle]

Benny,

While I am grateful for the amount of effort you took to answer my question, I am very discouraged by your use of the RPI formula to determine if the idea deserved a chance.  There are many other formulas you could have used which would have better shown the viability of the front screen.

[NorthernDancerColt]

Still don't get it. Why does a fans age dictate how he can show his fanhood? I'm more embarrassed that he had to tell others to stand up!

Thank You, TAMUEagle...appreciate the support. I don't get it either. I am secure enough in myself to not give a damn about standing and cheering loudly amongst some less-than-enthusiastic people. I will never be a sit-on-my-hands alum, and if people expect me to be a placid, stoic alum zombie...well, I'm gonna disappoint them every time.

I don't attend Mass as much as I should. But I consider myself a decent Christian. I do believe that the meek shall inherit the Earth. But one time where meekness doesn't belong is at your beloved alma mater's home basketball game. And Jay Wright I believe did say after last year's game that our fans are maybe even "too nice."

I think what is "embarassing" is the notion that people should "act their age" at what are supposed to be lively, loud, fun events! Even more embarrassing when a little noise and upheaval can lead to a W for Marquette. Ask Wojo or any of the former players on staff if they want staid, placid alumni in the seats, or kooks like me exhorting the crowd onto its feet and, gasp, asking folks to cheer loudly.

[warriorchick]

In theory, it might work; however, given the difference in lumens/candlepower, only if you had something along the lines of 90-100% participation.

Rough math using estimates found on the interwebs:

iPhone LED (non-flash mode): ~10 lumens

iPhone 4 Screen: ~400 nits (white screen at full brightness)
iPhone 5 Screen: ~500 nits
iPhone 6 Screen: ~550 nits

iPhone 4/4s screen: 5.6 sq.in.
iPhone 5 screen: 6.6 sq.in.
iPhone 6 screen: 9.4 sq.in.

Using the standard RPI weighted average of 25-50-25): 488 / 7.05 sq. in
1550 nits = 1 lumen/sq.in.

∴ Average iPhone Screen = 2.21 lumens

So the average iPhone white screen at 100% brightness puts out about 20% the light of the flash LED.  But a (Marquette) blue-colored screen is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-30% intensity and gold about 70-80% intensity.  So we're now talking about 5% (light output compared to LED light) on blue and 15% on gold.

Judging from the video, there was maybe 10% participation overall, perhaps?  So even if you increased participation 10-fold, the gold lights would be fine, but consider that you're in a dark arena and your eyes won't adjust immediately after a flash of gold, ergo you're probably not going to be able to make out the blue in contrast to the gold (which is 3x brighter than the blue), and so you end up with a gold-light show.

So if you're only going to have a single-colored-light show, might as well go for the LED which gets you exponentially more bang for the participation buck.

Note: The above does not adjust for the luminescence of the Jitterbug's keypad.

/end backyard physics lesson

[NorthernDancerColt]

Stop.

The game dictates when to stand, not an obnoxious pretty boy.

Obnoxious maybe was the wrong word. I just really, really love Marquette as a school and our basketball program has always been a huge source of pride for me. I only waved my arms "up" at key points in huge games. I'm sorry if that is inappropriate behavior.  Harsh crowd here. "Pretty Boy?"  Did you take a Logic class at MU? If anything, the pretty boys are the image conscious hand-sitters. And my beer gut would beg to differ with your label, lol.

[Markusquette]

Get the lights app ready tonight guys!  Want to grab some nice shots on the court before intros

[MerrittsMustache]

Thank You, TAMUEagle...appreciate the support. I don't get it either. I am secure enough in myself to not give a damn about standing and cheering loudly amongst some less-than-enthusiastic people. I will never be a sit-on-my-hands alum, and if people expect me to be a placid, stoic alum zombie...well, I'm gonna disappoint them every time.

I don't attend Mass as much as I should. But I consider myself a decent Christian. I do believe that the meek shall inherit the Earth. But one time where meekness doesn't belong is at your beloved alma mater's home basketball game. And Jay Wright I believe did say after last year's game that our fans are maybe even "too nice."

I think what is "embarassing" is the notion that people should "act their age" at what are supposed to be lively, loud, fun events! Even more embarrassing when a little noise and upheaval can lead to a W for Marquette. Ask Wojo or any of the former players on staff if they want staid, placid alumni in the seats, or kooks like me exhorting the crowd onto its feet and, gasp, asking folks to cheer loudly.

There's a huge spectrum of fans out there that falls between the "obnoxious yellers" and the "stoic alum zombies." I'd be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of those fans find both of the end-of-spectrum fans to be annoying. That said, few things can ruin a lively, loud, fun event faster than an obnoxious fan whose selfish presence is too lively, loud and "fun."

You're not "Warrior Man," are you?

[NorthernDancerColt]

There's a huge spectrum of fans out there that falls between the "obnoxious yellers" and the "stoic alum zombies." I'd be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of those fans find both of the end-of-spectrum fans to be annoying. That said, few things can ruin a lively, loud, fun event faster than an obnoxious fan whose selfish presence is too lively, loud and "fun."

You're not "Warrior Man," are you?

No, I was "ShootinOutWallsOfHeartache" with the next line in the Song being "bang, bang, I am the Warrior", so I guess you could say I am Warrior man. Felt in today's climate, not a good idea to have " shoot" in a username, though I defend 2nd Amendment rights, despite never owning a firearm.

Anyway, I agree with your "huge spectrum" analysis. I had to defend myself because I am usually the quiet, almost shy guy at parties and large gatherings. The one time I get loud is at Marquette games at pivotal moments in those contests, because I really believe that a loud, electric arena is just one tiny factor, among many,  that helps the home team win. I don't think it's fair, or logical,  to call me "selfish" (if you're placing me at the far end of the spectrum) when my motivation is just the opposite, to do my little part in getting our community's beloved alma mater over that fine line of winning and losing.  And I'm not saying "Look what I did" in any way. Just love it when our entire crowd is into the game. And, absolutely,  some older alums just can't, even maybe shouldn't stand and make noise. I'm thankful they are at games, and have been for all these years.!

Let's Ring out some serious Ahoya tonight while we ponder what indeed is a HOYA??!!!!!

[Benny B]

Benny,

While I am grateful for the amount of effort you took to answer my question, I am very discouraged by your use of the RPI formula to determine if the idea deserved a chance.  There are many other formulas you could have used which would have better shown the viability of the front screen.

Hey now, don't go knocking me down just because I found a more relevant use for RPI.

[jsglow]

My wife 'owns' all you guys.  That was damn funny.  And I've heard ALL her jokes.  Well done, honey.

[warriorchick]

My wife 'owns' all you guys.  That was damn funny.  And I've heard ALL her jokes.  Well done, honey.

Well, anyone who knows you has figured out that I must have a sense of humor.