MU 8.5 point dog @SHU

[Windyplayer]

Tempting, no?

[BM1090]

Kenpom has SH by 11.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Still not convinced SH is that good. Knowing Willard and that team, it's bound to implode soon, no?

[Windyplayer]

Still not convinced SH is that good. Knowing Willard and that team, it's bound to implode soon, no?

Think Whitehead is that good IN SPITE of KW.

[BM1090]

Think Whitehead is that good IN SPITE of KW.

I think he's incredible talented but he's shooting 36% from the field on 15 attempts per game. Henry is shooting 43% on 13 shots per game and we have people railing on his efficiency.

[Windyplayer]

I think he's incredible talented but he's shooting 36% from the field on 15 attempts per game. Henry is shooting 43% on 13 shots per game and we have people railing on his efficiency.

Good point though Whitehead's 4.5 dimes per game is easy on the eyes. Also, from what I've seen, he seems to really know how to run the point.

[BM1090]

Good point though Whitehead's 4.5 dimes per game is easy on the eyes. Also, from what I've seen, he seems to really know how to run the point.

I think that's the key to his game last year. Much less selfish than last year and as a result a much more effective point guard.

[WarriorPride68]

SH is small & can't shoot 3P. I think the rematch should be very close. I'd take the points

[79Warrior]

Still not convinced SH is that good. Knowing Willard and that team, it's bound to implode soon, no?

Some think MU is not that good. They already beat us at the BC. I think SH wins, but I would be tempted to take MU and the points. This is likely to be a close game.

[🏀]

Take the points

[bilsu]

Still not convinced SH is that good. Knowing Willard and that team, it's bound to implode soon, no?

I agree with this and I hope I am not disappointed tomorrow.

[bilsu]

Take the points

I learned not to bet on my team. I am into the game anyways. Betting on other games make them interesting. Betting on an MU game just adds stress.

[amen426]

MU lost by 20 last outing. At Home...  BUT

Seton Hall shot 5-10 from 3. They average roughly 33% on the year. (Should have shot 3-10 – 6 pt swing)

Seton Hall shot 24/28 from FT (85.71%). They average 65% on the year. (Should have shot 18-28 – 6 pt swing)

MU shot 1/11 from 3P. They average 30% on the year. (Should have shot 3-11 – 6 pt swing)

So without considering any other factors in this game, if we just adjust the 3P and FT's to our teams averages – this last game changed from a 20 PT loss to a 2 point loss.

Obviously, that's an oversimplification – but this game should have been closer. Marquette held a 1 point lead at half time in this game, and we played terribly.

Think Marquette wins this game outright.. A few thoughts vs. Seton Hall...

1. Get to the FT line. Seton Hall is more athletic, but they are very dumb / over-aggressive on defense. They had multiple games this year where they had 30+ fouls. We should be living at the FT line against this team.

2. Mix in some zone on defense. SH's offense is predicated on Whitehead creating shot opportunities through his penetration. Throw in some zone, and watch them to shoot it outside. They don't win when the ball stops.

2a. This goes along with the zone defense. This season, they have an assist on 47% of their FGM's. In our first matchup, they had an assist on 63% of their FGM's. In a 17 pt loss at Creighton, it was only 33% (only 8 assists). On the season, and in both of those games - they shot 42-43%. When they don't move the ball, their offense dies. Zone defense (IMO) would work - since it has helped kill our offense various times throughout the year (See: Villanova 2nd half). 

3. Limit 2nd chances. Seton Hall had 16 Offensive Rebounds in the 1st matchup. Can't win games with that. We typically give up about 4 OREB's more than we get. In game 1, we lost by 9 in that department. Hoping we can keep it closer to our average.

4. Limit And-1's. Everyone noticed it in the Butler game, but it seems to be a common theme this season. We give up a LOT of And-1's. If you are going to foul at the rim, make sure they are shooting 2 FT's - not 1.

Looking forward to this one. Always love seeing a team the 2nd time around -- especially with such a young roster. It'll be nice to see how the team has grown, and if Wojo can make the proper adjustments this time around.

[MuMark]

Line down to 7.5

[wadesworld]

I have never bet on MU either way.  Don't know how many times I can say this, but you won't see the same MU team twice this season.

[GoldenZebra]

Lets hope its a different MU team this time around, getting swept by SHU would not be good.

[WarriorPride68]

Lets hope its a different MU team this time around, getting swept by SHU would not be good.

This. Getting beat by Willard twice in one season would be tragic

[bilsu]

MU lost by 20 last outing. At Home...  BUT

Seton Hall shot 5-10 from 3. They average roughly 33% on the year. (Should have shot 3-10 – 6 pt swing)

Seton Hall shot 24/28 from FT (85.71%). They average 65% on the year. (Should have shot 18-28 – 6 pt swing)

MU shot 1/11 from 3P. They average 30% on the year. (Should have shot 3-11 – 6 pt swing)

So without considering any other factors in this game, if we just adjust the 3P and FT's to our teams averages – this last game changed from a 20 PT loss to a 2 point loss.

Obviously, that's an oversimplification – but this game should have been closer. Marquette held a 1 point lead at half time in this game, and we played terribly.

Think Marquette wins this game outright.. A few thoughts vs. Seton Hall...

1. Get to the FT line. Seton Hall is more athletic, but they are very dumb / over-aggressive on defense. They had multiple games this year where they had 30+ fouls. We should be living at the FT line against this team.

2. Mix in some zone on defense. SH's offense is predicated on Whitehead creating shot opportunities through his penetration. Throw in some zone, and watch them to shoot it outside. They don't win when the ball stops.

2a. This goes along with the zone defense. This season, they have an assist on 47% of their FGM's. In our first matchup, they had an assist on 63% of their FGM's. In a 17 pt loss at Creighton, it was only 33% (only 8 assists). On the season, and in both of those games - they shot 42-43%. When they don't move the ball, their offense dies. Zone defense (IMO) would work - since it has helped kill our offense various times throughout the year (See: Villanova 2nd half). 

3. Limit 2nd chances. Seton Hall had 16 Offensive Rebounds in the 1st matchup. Can't win games with that. We typically give up about 4 OREB's more than we get. In game 1, we lost by 9 in that department. Hoping we can keep it closer to our average.

4. Limit And-1's. Everyone noticed it in the Butler game, but it seems to be a common theme this season. We give up a LOT of And-1's. If you are going to foul at the rim, make sure they are shooting 2 FT's - not 1.

Looking forward to this one. Always love seeing a team the 2nd time around -- especially with such a young roster. It'll be nice to see how the team has grown, and if Wojo can make the proper adjustments this time around.

1 and 4 may be more of a function of the refs. The Butler game was a war and the refs let it be that way. No way of knowing whether the refs will let the physicallness go or call it very close.

[Jay Bee]

Angel and Sanogo are the concerns.

Hope for awful shooting for the guards and a limited beatdown on the boards...

..and insane shooting again.

...and there's a chance.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I have never bet on MU either way.  Don't know how many times I can say this, but you won't see the same MU team twice this season.

I have once, and it was the easiest money I have ever made in my life. Iowa -1 this year.

[brewcity77]

Good point though Whitehead's 4.5 dimes per game is easy on the eyes. Also, from what I've seen, he seems to really know how to run the point.

Which is why I'd try to take everyone else away and make Whitehead beat you. Deny the ball to Carrington and Rodriguez and let the mad shooter shoot.

Also like to see some zone. SHU isn't a great long range team. Need a more physical game from Luke and Henry. Delgado made them his bitch last time around.