2015-16 NFC North/NFL thread

[Jay Bee]

SKOL VIKINGS! The CONSENSUS will represent our division well as the top dawg when playoff time comes.

[wadesworld]

It gets blown dead if the defender us unimpeded to the QB or if an offensive player moves before the snap. Easy, correct call by the officials...unlike the tripping call on Slauson and the illegal contact on Porter 

Then they have been allowing the Packers to illegally continue plays for years now, since Favre was around.

And when they came back from break after the tripping call they said the head of officials was there vehemently saying that was the correct call, so I think you're wrong there (not that I know the letter of the rule, but based on that it sounds like it was the right call...doesn't mean it's a good rule).

I suppose you think the illegal pick by...well, Chicago's own defender on his teammate...was the right call, though.

[JWags85]

I suppose you think the illegal pick by...well, Chicago's own defender on his teammate...was the right call, though.

That was a garbage call, just like the illegal contact on Porter that gave the Packers a TD.  Water in, water out.  The refs were hot garbage both ways, all game.

[wadesworld]

That was a garbage call, just like the illegal contact on Porter that gave the Packers a TD.  Water in, water out.  The refs were hot garbage both ways, all game.

No doubt.

Unfortunately, the Packers were even hotter garbage.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Ahhhh, the sweet sound of Packers fans blaming the refs. It's good to get a win.

[wadesworld]

Ahhhh, the sweet sound of Packers fans blaming the refs. It's good to get a win.

Blaming the refs?  Hmm...must've missed that.

[jsglow]

Ahhhh, the sweet sound of Packers fans blaming the refs. It's good to get a win.

Not me Chi.  Not sure why we suck right now but them's the facts.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Not me Chi.  Not sure why we suck right now but them's the facts.

It baffles me too. I fully expected to get rolled last night. On paper minus Jordy being hurt it's still the same team.

This Bears team is the most hodgepodge of players I have ever seen and they're 5-6. I looked at their remaining schedule and they have a legitimate chance of making the playoffs. The Bears got my hopes up, which I promised myself I wouldn't let happen this season.

[jesmu84]

Very surprised to see the bears running this last night. Made clay make an early decision.

https://twitter.com/jesmu84/status/670309747019616257

[real chili 83]

Vikes looking good so far today Jay Bee.  Good chance of being on top of the Pack today.

[Dish]

As much as Cutler gets hammered...I present Matt Ryan.

[jesmu84]

As much as Cutler gets hammered...I present Matt Ryan.

But Matt Ryan has better "body language" and didn't sit out of a playoff game when he could have played.

[wadesworld]

As much as Cutler gets hammered...I present Matt Ryan.

But Matt Ryan has better "body language" and didn't sit out of a playoff game when he could have played.

As much as it'd be awesome to play Matt Ryan twice a year too, you could also look at their numbers and realize Matt Ryan's worst years are better than Jay Cutler's best years...

[Dish]

Are we sure Matt Ryan is good? He should be in his absolute prime right now, with one of the best WR's in the game. Outside of Peyton Manning, Ryan is second in the NFL with 15 turnovers, league high 4 red zone picks. His completion percentage is at a 5 year low, his TD % is worst in his 8 year career.

[Jay Bee]

WE ARE #1. SKOL VIKINGS! Top of the NFC North with an 8-3 record. Super Bowl, homeboy!

[MerrittsMustache]

But Matt Ryan has better "body language" and didn't sit out of a playoff game when he could have played.

Teal?

As much as it'd be awesome to play Matt Ryan twice a year too, you could also look at their numbers and realize Matt Ryan's worst years are better than Jay Cutler's best years...

From 2013 to the present:

Ryan: 43 GS, .372 win%, 289 yds/gm, 70 TD, 43 INT, 90.9 rating, 4.1 TD%, 2.5 INT%

Cutler: 36 GS, .417 win%, 248 yds/gm, 61 TD, 36 INT, 89.8 rating, 4.9 TD%, 2.9 INT%


Look pretty similar.

[wadesworld]

Teal?


From 2013 to the present:

Ryan: 43 GS, .372 win%, 289 yds/gm, 70 TD, 43 INT, 90.9 rating, 4.1 TD%, 2.5 INT%

Cutler: 36 GS, .417 win%, 248 yds/gm, 61 TD, 36 INT, 89.8 rating, 4.9 TD%, 2.9 INT%


Look pretty similar.

So 20% of their careers, in which you include Cutler's best season (this season) and Ryan's worst season (this season).  Sure, then their careers look pretty similar...which is exactly what I said.  Ryan's worst seasons are better than Cutler's best.  Sure, it's close, though.

[MerrittsMustache]

So 20% of their careers, in which you include Cutler's best season (this season) and Ryan's worst season (this season).  Sure, then their careers look pretty similar...which is exactly what I said.  Ryan's worst seasons are better than Cutler's best.  Sure, it's close, though.

That's simply wrong. Statistically, Ryan was worse in 2008 and 2009 than he is this season and Cutler has been better than each of those seasons. The point was that Cutler takes all kinds of heat but he and Ryan have been basically the same in recent seasons.

I won't get into this anymore with you though because you basically turn into Ners discussing Derrick Wilson when Jay Cutler's name comes up.

[wadesworld]

That's simply wrong. Statistically, Ryan was worse in 2008 and 2009 than he is this season and Cutler has been better than each of those seasons. The point was that Cutler takes all kinds of heat but he and Ryan have been basically the same in recent seasons.

I won't get into this anymore with you though because you basically turn into Ners discussing Derrick Wilson when Jay Cutler's name comes up.

Haha that's all fine and good.  Matt Ryan's worst QB rating was in his second season at 80.9.  Besides that, his second worst was his rookie season at 87.7.  Jay Cutler has been better than that once in his career, and will most likely finish higher than that for the 2nd time this season.  Same song and dance for Ryan's QBR.  His 2nd worst QBR is 62.3, a number Cutler has finished higher than a total of twice in his career.

Cutler has been in the league for 2 extra seasons, a full time starter for 1 extra season, yet has fewer passing yards, the same amount of touchdowns, far more turnovers (fumbles are bad too, in case you forgot that), and fewer attempts than Ryan.  Ryan has a higher completion percentage and essentially the same yards per pass (7.21 for Ryan, 7.20 for Cutler).

It's really not even close, but I turn into Ners/Derrick Wilson when Cutler's name comes up, so the numbers must be lying.

It was asked why Jay Cutler gets so much crap when there is a quarterback like Matt Ryan out there.  Well, quite simply, because Matt Ryan has had a far, far better career than Jay Cutler.  Just because Jay Cutler is having a single season that is better than Matt Ryan this year doesn't make Jay Cutler a better quarterback.

Andy Dalton and Cam Newton are having better seasons than Aaron Rodgers.  Why don't we discuss Andy Dalton and Cam Newton as possibly the best players ever to play football like we do Aaron Rodgers?

[MerrittsMustache]

Blahblahblah Cutler sucks Blahblahblah Cutler is the worst QB Blahblahblah Blahblahblah QBR Blahblahblah I hate Cutler Blahblahblah green and gold kool-aid Blahblahblah turnovers Blahblahblah same old, same old Blahblahblah Rodgers Blahblahblah inaccurate statistics Blahblahblah

FIFY

Save yourself some time and just copy and paste that next time. We all know that you're incapable of thinking rationally when it comes to Cutler. You apparently can't do math either since you don't believe that 88.1, 88.5 and 88.6 are higher than 87.7.

[wadesworld]

FIFY

Save yourself some time and just copy and paste that next time. We all know that you're incapable of thinking rationally when it comes to Cutler. You apparently can't do math either since you don't believe that 88.1, 88.5 and 88.6 are higher than 87.7.

Lol.  Hey, at least you won one part of the argument.  You are right I looked at the wrong number.  Ryan's 3rd worst QB rating is better than Cutler's best QB rating.  Congrats.

What's funniest?  This is being brought up because Matt Ryan is having a "horrible" season...so bad that it'd be Jay Cutler's second highest career QB rating and 3rd highest QBR.

But, keep thinking Jay is better than Matt Ryan.  Speaking rationally here, if you like QBs to have fewer yards, equal touchdowns in more seasons, far more turnovers, a lower completion percentage, etc....well, rationally, you are right!

Dalton and Cam best ever!

[JWags85]

What does Jay think of Matty Ice?



Also, a stat you bring up so often, Cutler winning 1 playoff game.  How many has the vaunted Matt Ryan won?  1 as well.

[wadesworld]

What does Jay think of Matty Ice?

Jay smiles?

[GooooMarquette]

So this thread has devolved to an argument over which thoroughly mediocre QB is a little less sad than the other thoroughly mediocre QB?  God, I love Scoop!

Bob Avellini vs Scott Hunter.  Discuss.

[wadesworld]

So this thread has devolved to an argument over which thoroughly mediocre QB is a little less sad than the other thoroughly mediocre QB?  God, I love Scoop!

Bob Avellini vs Scott Hunter.  Discuss.

How many current NFL quarterbacks have had better numbers in their career than Matt Ryan?  I'd venture to guess it's less than 10.