NCAA Rules Change Proposal

[ChicosBailBonds]

1977 scoring averages 77.4 points per game.  No shot clock, some teams playing 4 corners.

2015 scoring average with a 35 seconds shot clock.....67.74 points per game.


Outstanding. 

[#UnleashSean]

1977 scoring averages 77.4 points per game.  No shot clock, some teams playing 4 corners.

2015 scoring average with a 35 seconds shot clock.....67.74 points per game.


Outstanding. 

Fails to mention the talent level of defenses during both eras.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Fails to mention the talent level of defenses during both eras.

Also fails to note that there was no 3 point shot in 1977....   

[#UnleashSean]

Also fails to note that there was no 3 point shot in 1977....   

Three point line wasn't needed with how awfully spread out defenses were in the 70's.

[brandx]

Fails to mention the talent level of defenses during both eras.

Not to mention it is an entirely different game. There was no 3-point shot and most teams won or lost based on their mid-range game and getting the ball to the low post. Chicos comment is typical of the back to the future strategy he employs for every single issue.

Also, Dean's strategy was for when they were ahead - it wasn't a wire to wire plan.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Three point line wasn't needed with how awfully spread out defenses were in the 70's.

Just a hunch, but I'm going to say that kids playing all 4 years back then, understanding systems, playing purer form of basketball and less of the individual crap we too often see, also made more efficient offenses back then.

The three point line has given teams the ability to score more points on a possession and also opened up lanes by spreading the court, but scoring levels are still down since then.  Just as they went down from the 45 second shot clock to the 35 second shot clock over time.

[brandx]

1977 scoring averages 77.4 points per game.  No shot clock, some teams playing 4 corners.

2015 scoring average with a 35 seconds shot clock.....67.74 points per game.


Outstanding. 

Wow. Silly Stats that means nothing.

In the last year without the 3-point shots, the scoring average was 69.4 ppg. So I guess that means that the 3 pointer in college basketball reduces scoring

[#UnleashSean]

Just a hunch, but I'm going to say that kids playing all 4 years back then, understanding systems, playing purer form of basketball and less of the individual crap we too often see, also made more efficient offenses back then.

The three point line has given teams the ability to score more points on a possession and also opened up lanes by spreading the court, but scoring levels are still down since then.  Just as they went down from the 45 second shot clock to the 35 second shot clock over time.

Are you trying to tell me that college teams in the 70's would beat the ones in 2015? Cause you would be dead wrong. Just like the 80's nba teams would be annihilated by the physicality of todays teams.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Are you trying to tell me that college teams in the 70's would beat the ones in 2015? Cause you would be dead wrong. Just like the 80's nba teams would be annihilated by the physicality of todays teams.

Yeah, I think some of those college teams of the 1970s' with UCLA, Kentucky, etc, would do just fine against today's teams.  Just fine.  Experience alone. 

I don't agree with your 80's NBA team comments either.  It's funny how quickly we forget about great players or teams and just assume that the most recent version is the best version.  That isn't always the case.  Yes, players get bigger, stronger, etc and its tough to compare against eras, in fact it is foolhardy. 

[Jay Bee]

Yeah, I think some of those college teams of the 1970s' with UCLA, Kentucky, etc, would do just fine against today's teams.  Just fine.  Experience alone. 

I don't agree with your 80's NBA team comments either.  It's funny how quickly we forget about great players or teams and just assume that the most recent version is the best version.  That isn't always the case.  Yes, players get bigger, stronger, etc and its tough to compare against eras, in fact it is foolhardy. 

Why do the leading scorers of today score so much less than the top scorers of the 70's, would you say?

[tower912]

Why do the leading scorers of today score so much less than the top scorers of the 70's, would you say?

Defenses are so much more sophisticated, intricate, and physical.   

[Jay Bee]

Defenses are so much more sophisticated, intricate, and physical.   

But why isn't TEAM scoring down as much as the top individual scoring? Better balance on rosters? More talented players? I could go with that... but, seems like there's something more.

[brandx]

Are you trying to tell me that college teams in the 70's would beat the ones in 2015? Cause you would be dead wrong. Just like the 80's nba teams would be annihilated by the physicality of todays teams.

Jim Boeheim disagrees. He thinks it would be no contest.

And I think the Lakers / Celtics teams of the 80's would be just fine today. Actually better than fine.

[tower912]

Because defenses are so much better, it is easier to slow down the great scorer.   Helping, switching, forcing the guard to the sideline on the high pick and roll, bumping the cutter, better scouting, etc.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

Why do the leading scorers of today score so much less than the top scorers of the 70's, would you say?

Way too simple to say just the defenses are better, though I see that is a common theme.  Yes, defenses are intricate, but so are offenses. 

In my view, the fundamentals aren't there across the board.  The AAU nonsense doesn't help IMO.  Also kids don't play together as long, so the cohesion isn't there.  The more you play together as a unit, the better the offense and defense will be. Kids bailing early, transferring at alarming rates, too much focus on the name on the back of the shirt instead of the one on the front (trying to make a statement).  In my view, the shot clock hasn't helped things.  Scoring is down and our solution is to keep speeding it up, make these kids think even faster, shoot when they aren't ready. 

I suspect the volume of D1 teams has not helped as some kids playing DI today wouldn't be back in the day....resulting in dilution.  Though, having said that, a lot of people think that today's players are so much better than players in the past that would not fit well with their argument as presumably today's players on the 300th ranked team are better than those on the 250th ranked team from the 1980's when DI was smaller. 

[slingkong]

6. The arena is going crazy, the coach desperately wants a timeout, the PG isn't looking over, the play doesn't get called, the game is lost.    I don't like it. 

This is the only one that jumped out at me as wrong. I mean, god forbid these guys have to actually use what they were supposed to have learned pre-game without needing to be told again.

[Benny B]

This is the only one that jumped out at me as wrong. I mean, god forbid these guys have to actually use what they were supposed to have learned pre-game without needing to be told again.

What they should have learned in the pre-game is to call a timeout when your coach is jumping up and down screaming for one.

[MU82]

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/men-s-basketball-rules-committee-recommends-package-proposals-improve-game

Lots of big changes seem to be coming. Here are a few of the highlights...
.

• Expanding 3-foot arc to 4 to reduce collisions around the hoop.
  
• Reducing moving screens.
  
• Reducing shot clock to 30 seconds.
  
• Remove one timeout in the second half.
  
• If a timeout is called within 30 seconds of a media timeout or at any time when a dead ball would cause a media timeout, that timeout becomes the media timeout (e.g. 16:30, 12:20, 7:55 without stoppage, etc.)
  
• Coach cannot call live ball timeouts. Must be called by player on the court.
  
• Only 10 seconds to cross the timeline. Presumably will not reset with a timeout.
  
• Faked fouls are reviewable and can be punished (cough, Gasser, Kaminsky, cough).
  
• Shot clock violations or non-violations are reviewable.
  
• 6 fouls proposed for postseason play. Guessing will be experimented with in the NIT/CBI first.

I like a lot of these. Getting rid of one time out and ending the time-out/play 10 seconds/ media time out fiasco are especially good.

I don't like the 6th foul for postseason; play the same rules as regular season, please. Not a huge fan of reviewing shot-clock violations because it's bound to ruin the flow of games, but I guess that's balanced by getting the call right.

I'd especially like to see them enforce moving-screen rules, because it has become an epidemic. I first noticed it in college ball with the 2005 Illinois team. James Augustine, an athletic big man, seemed to set a dozen moving screens per game and was just about never called. It probably happened plenty before that, but that's when I started noticing.

Today, the big men in pro and college ball stick out their butts, stick out their legs and hook defenders with their arms. DeAndre Jordan probably did it 10 times just yesterday. Kevin Garnett used to do it every position. I don't know how it isn't an offensive foul when Dwight Howard hooks a defender with his arm when the defender is trying to stay with Harden.

What's especially comical is when, on the 20th time a guy does it in a game, a ref calls it. This happened to Garnett a few years ago, and he went ballistic. It was an obvious offensive foul - but the refs let him do it all season and probably a dozen times that game, so it's hard to blame him for wondering, "Why this time?"

Teach your guys how to set screens properly and then have the refs enforce the rules. That's all you need to do. I mean, Malone didn't grab the defender every time he set a pick-and-pop screen for Stockton -- because if he did he'd have been called for it and because Sloan emphasized doing it right.

[Eldon]

It may not be that defenses have inherently improved, but it could be simply that basketball players are now taller and wider than they were in 1977, which may look as though better defense is played now relative to the 70s.

For example, Dikembe Mutombo had a wingspan of like 7 feet ten inches or some ridiculous number.  LeBron is 6'9 250.  Players from the 70s don't look nearly as, well, huge as they do now.  Yet the court is the exact same size.  So, while the court size has stayed the same size, the players playing on it have grown in both weight, wingspan, and likely speed (covering more area in a shorter span of time).  This clutters up the court, causing fewer close shots and ultimately fewer points scored.

[brandx]

But why isn't TEAM scoring down as much as the top individual scoring? Better balance on rosters? More talented players? I could go with that... but, seems like there's something more.

Maybe the summer circuits have something to do with it?

Kids are ready to play now coming out of HS. Back in the 70's and 80's most high school kids played 20 or so games in their HS schedule and that was it.

[Benny B]

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/men-s-basketball-rules-committee-recommends-package-proposals-improve-game

Lots of big changes seem to be coming. Here are a few of the highlights...
.

• Expanding 3-foot arc to 4 to reduce collisions around the hoop.
  
• Reducing moving screens.
  
• Reducing shot clock to 30 seconds.
  
• Remove one timeout in the second half.
  
• If a timeout is called within 30 seconds of a media timeout or at any time when a dead ball would cause a media timeout, that timeout becomes the media timeout (e.g. 16:30, 12:20, 7:55 without stoppage, etc.)
  
• Coach cannot call live ball timeouts. Must be called by player on the court.
  
• Only 10 seconds to cross the timeline. Presumably will not reset with a timeout.
  
• Faked fouls are reviewable and can be punished (cough, Gasser, Kaminsky, cough).
  
• Shot clock violations or non-violations are reviewable.
  
• 6 fouls proposed for postseason play. Guessing will be experimented with in the NIT/CBI first.

Looks like 1, 3, 4 and 5 were approved by the NCAA.

[muwarrior69]

Looks like 1, 3, 4 and 5 were approved by the NCAA.

I wish they bring back the jump ball.

[warriorchick]

And the women are going to 4 10-minute quarters.  Are the guys next?

[Skatastrophy]

And the women are going to 4 10-minute quarters.  Are the guys next?

4 10-minute quarters with no timeouts would be my ideal game to watch.

[GGGG]

4 10-minute quarters with no timeouts would be my ideal game to watch.

Four, 10 minute quarters with TV timeouts after 5:00 would be fine with me.  Give the networks an extra :30 seconds of timeouts in between quarters to make up for the difference.