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brewcity77

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/men-s-basketball-rules-committee-recommends-package-proposals-improve-game

Lots of big changes seem to be coming. Here are a few of the highlights...
.
  • Expanding 3-foot arc to 4 to reduce collisions around the hoop.
  • Reducing moving screens.
  • Reducing shot clock to 30 seconds.
  • Remove one timeout in the second half.
  • If a timeout is called within 30 seconds of a media timeout or at any time when a dead ball would cause a media timeout, that timeout becomes the media timeout (e.g. 16:30, 12:20, 7:55 without stoppage, etc.)
  • Coach cannot call live ball timeouts. Must be called by player on the court.
  • Only 10 seconds to cross the timeline. Presumably will not reset with a timeout.
  • Faked fouls are reviewable and can be punished (cough, Gasser, Kaminsky, cough).
  • Shot clock violations or non-violations are reviewable.
  • 6 fouls proposed for postseason play. Guessing will be experimented with in the NIT/CBI first.

Groin_pull

Anything that reduces timeouts is a winner.

🏀

Not a big fan of that media timeout rule. I plan my runs to the Tap House when someone fouls right before a media timeout.

Dawson Rental

I love going to 6 fouls before disqualifying a player.  Right now I suspect that at times fouls aren't called by refs who don't want to be accused of deciding a game by disqualifying a key player.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

naginiF

Quote from: LittleWade on May 16, 2015, 07:40:45 AM
I love going to 6 fouls before disqualifying a player.  Right now I suspect that at times fouls aren't called by refs who don't want to be accused of deciding a game by disqualifying a key player.
I totally agree that fouls aren't called but I hate the idea of having different rules for the post season versus regular season.  Test it out in the NIT/CBA like with the 30 second clock but don't have the rules change in March.

GooooMarquette

I love the new timeout rules.  It's so annoying when you get a TO, then they play for a few seconds, and suddenly you get another.  And taking away a second half one is even better.  Just play the game.

Wonder if they're going to call the fake foul thing the "Bo Ryan rule."

wildbillsb

Quote from: LittleWade on May 16, 2015, 07:40:45 AM
I love going to 6 fouls before disqualifying a player.  Right now I suspect that at times fouls aren't called by refs who don't want to be accused of deciding a game by disqualifying a key player.

And how will this change in the rules change a referee's MO/fortitude/integrity?
Peace begins with a smile.  -  Mother Teresa

brewcity77

I would like a sixth foul in overtime, but not regulation. No need, IMO.

#UnleashSean

#8
If a timeout is called within 30 seconds of a media timeout or at any time when a dead ball would cause a media timeout, that timeout becomes the media timeout (e.g. 16:30, 12:20, 7:55 without stoppage, etc.)

Thank GOD


Edit: Eliminating the five-second closely guarded rule while dribbling the ball. why???????

bilsu

I think the best thing is not allowing coaches to call time outs when the game is in progress. I do not think we need a 6Th foul, but should make charges just be turnovers and not a foul. I like the fake foul rule, but I do not think it will really work. I hate it when the player with the ball jerks his head like he was fouled even though he was not even touched. As long as they are going to penalize the fake foul they should also penalize the players who after knocking the ball out of bounds point as if it is their ball to influence the refs call.

Jay Bee

- Allowing officials to use the monitor to review a potential shot clock violation on made field goals throughout the entire game.

Combining this with the shorter shot clock could spell trouble. Flow-of-game issues caused by more monitor reviews. Awful.

- Eliminating the five-second closely guarded rule while dribbling the ball.

I need to understanding the thinking on this one.

- Removing the prohibition on dunking in pregame warmups.

Wait til a couple of rims are eff'd up during warmups...
The portal is NOT closed.

brandx

The one rule I would favor over any of these is that only the offensive team can call a time out.

MarquetteDano

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 16, 2015, 08:47:48 AM
I would like a sixth foul in overtime, but not regulation. No need, IMO.

Completely agree.  Five fouls in 40 minutes is plenty.  The NBA has six because they play 48 minutes.  In overtime period(s) they should go up to six.

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: MarquetteDano on May 16, 2015, 07:53:31 PM
Completely agree.  Five fouls in 40 minutes is plenty.  The NBA has six because they play 48 minutes.  In overtime period(s) they should go up to six.

The objective of overtime is to end the game, not extend it.  Let them foul out so a winner can be determined.

withoutbias

not a fan of many or any of these. 6 fouls for an overtime game would be good. but does someone who got disqualified for having 5 fouls before the overtime period get allowed back in the game when the overtime period starts? doesn't think that should be allowed, but then why should everyone else get an extra foul while they don't?

MarquetteDano

Quote from: Heisenberg on May 16, 2015, 09:00:26 PM
The objective of overtime is to end the game, not extend it.  Let them foul out so a winner can be determined.

Not seeing the correlation there.  Why would the fact that players have an extra foul have any impact on additional overtimes being played?

brewcity77

Quote from: MarquetteDano on May 16, 2015, 11:17:04 PM
Not seeing the correlation there.  Why would the fact that players have an extra foul have any impact on additional overtimes being played?

Because eventually, the team that brings 16 guys will be playing 5-on-3 against the team that is #7strong. Hooray for attrition!

bilsu

6 fouls will make it much harder to upset the better team. The one hope every team has going into a game against a higher ranked team is that their opponent's star gets in foul trouble. 6 fouls would make the outcome more predictable and therefore the games will be less exciting.

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: MarquetteDano on May 16, 2015, 11:17:04 PM
Not seeing the correlation there.  Why would the fact that players have an extra foul have any impact on additional overtimes being played?

If a game goes to overtime, we can assume the teams are even that day.  Need to make them "uneven" to get a victory.  Foul trouble/fouling out is a good catalyst to making one team uneven to end the game.

withoutbias

Quote from: MarquetteDano on May 16, 2015, 11:17:04 PM
Not seeing the correlation there.  Why would the fact that players have an extra foul have any impact on additional overtimes being played?

it doesn't. just a way heisenberg can guarantee he gets the most quoted post on the thread. "im so popular guys!"

Jay Bee

Quote from: bilsu on May 17, 2015, 12:36:46 AM
6 fouls will make it much harder to upset the better team. The one hope every team has going into a game against a higher ranked team is that their opponent's star gets in foul trouble. 6 fouls would make the outcome more predictable and therefore the games will be less exciting.

I'd argue the opposite is often true. A lesser team competes well against a better team because of their star having an unreal game. Foul trouble can change this quickly.
The portal is NOT closed.

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: WithoutBias on May 17, 2015, 11:13:15 AM
it doesn't. just a way heisenberg can guarantee he gets the most quoted post on the thread. "im so popular guys!"

Huh?  How does one measure this?

mu03eng

Man, Ed Cooley is gonna be pissed about the time out rule, calling TO's right before a media timeout was his jam
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

tower912

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 16, 2015, 06:09:40 AM
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/men-s-basketball-rules-committee-recommends-package-proposals-improve-game

Lots of big changes seem to be coming. Here are a few of the highlights...
.
  • Expanding 3-foot arc to 4 to reduce collisions around the hoop.
  • Reducing moving screens.
  • Reducing shot clock to 30 seconds.
  • Remove one timeout in the second half.
  • If a timeout is called within 30 seconds of a media timeout or at any time when a dead ball would cause a media timeout, that timeout becomes the media timeout (e.g. 16:30, 12:20, 7:55 without stoppage, etc.)
  • Coach cannot call live ball timeouts. Must be called by player on the court.
  • Only 10 seconds to cross the timeline. Presumably will not reset with a timeout.
  • Faked fouls are reviewable and can be punished (cough, Gasser, Kaminsky, cough).
  • Shot clock violations or non-violations are reviewable.
  • 6 fouls proposed for postseason play. Guessing will be experimented with in the NIT/CBI first.
1.  Good.   Cuts down on traffic under the rim.
2.  Moving screens are already prohibited.   Will the definition be changed?
3.  I don't like it.   If you want to promote scoring, teach shooting, cut down on hand checks, cut down on bumping cutters. 
4.  I don't like it.   Shorten the time outs, don't take them away.   I like the tension build in the last couple minutes as a team makes a run.  .
5. Neutral.
6. The arena is going crazy, the coach desperately wants a timeout, the PG isn't looking over, the play doesn't get called, the game is lost.    I don't like it. 
7.  Like this one.   Hate the TO's called at 9 with the ball still 20 feet from mid court and then getting a fresh count.   
8.  You want to speed up the game while simultaneously reviewing possible fake fouls?   Conflicting goals.
9.  This one I like.
10. 6 fouls will come eventually.   I don't like the bifurcation. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

#UnleashSean

Quote from: Jay Bee on May 16, 2015, 01:44:37 PM

Wait til a couple of rims are eff'd up during warmups...

It's not 1938 anymore. The rims in 2015 can easily handle the dunking.

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