2015-16 NFC North/NFL Thread

[Sir Lawrence]

Really thought Bears would go defense with first pick.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Trade down or get Collins. Bears screw it up again. So tired of the Bears drafts.

[DegenerateDish]

Love the Packers pick, was really hoping Bears would take Randall in Rd 2.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Trade down or get Collins. Bears screw it up again. So tired of the Bears drafts.

What's the problem with the White pick?

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

What's the problem with the White pick?

Dont think hes worth 7th overall. Bears need defense, theyve needed a safety for the past decade and still have not addressed the problem.

[JWags85]

Trade down or get Collins. Bears screw it up again. So tired of the Bears drafts.

What if they can still get Landon Collins tomorrow?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Dont think hes worth 7th overall. Bears need defense, theyve needed a safety for the past decade and still have not addressed the problem.

So let me get this straight....You're saying White is not worth the #7 pick in the draft yet you're advocating that they should have taken a safety who didn't go in the first round?  Makes perfect sense. 

Picking for need at #7 is not the way to go.  You pick best player available and if that coincides with a need, even better.  And after the Marshall trade the Bears needed a WR. 

[tower912]

Detroit gets two potential starters to protect their most valuable asset.....  Matt Stafford.     Although I am guessing that Ramirez is going to be a back-up at all 3 interior positions. 

[jsglow]

Love the Packers pick, was really hoping Bears would take Randall in Rd 2.

It does seem like he has a ton of upside.  I'm happy with the pick.

[Sir Lawrence]

It does seem like he has a ton of upside.  I'm happy with the pick.

Seems a little undersized to me. 

[hairy worthen]

Seems a little undersized to me. 

5'11, 195.  Not terrible. He will fill out his frame more. That's one of the reasons they want him at cornerback and not safety

[GGGG]

So let me get this straight....You're saying White is not worth the #7 pick in the draft yet you're advocating that they should have taken a safety who didn't go in the first round?  Makes perfect sense. 

Picking for need at #7 is not the way to go.  You pick best player available and if that coincides with a need, even better.  And after the Marshall trade the Bears needed a WR. 

Furthermore, it's not as though the Bears are going anywhere next year anyway.  (Maybe an outside shot at a Wild Card, but that's about it.)  Rebuilding is a multi-year process.  Not done in just one year.  You start picking for need in round one of year one, and you are going to have problems.

[jsglow]

Seems a little undersized to me. 

All the candidates were somewhat undersized this year.  And remember, Ted is thinking slot CB in all likelihood.

[jsglow]

Furthermore, it's not as though the Bears are going anywhere next year anyway.  (Maybe an outside shot at a Wild Card, but that's about it.)  Rebuilding is a multi-year process.  Not done in just one year.  You start picking for need in round one of year one, and you are going to have problems.

Picking for need is fool's gold, especially high in round 1.

[GGGG]

All the candidates were somewhat undersized this year.  And remember, Ted is thinking slot CB in all likelihood.

He's the same size as Tramon, Shields and Hayward.  Ted seems to prefer speed, athleticism and ball-playing abilities versus height and physicality at the CB spot.

[shiloh26]

He's the same size as Tramon, Shields and Hayward.  Ted seems to prefer speed, athleticism and ball-playing abilities versus height and physicality at the CB spot.

It was somewhat surprising, as I feel the Packers have a surplus of slot CBs (Hyde and Hayward, now Randall), without a lot of depth of CBs to cover the outside.  Thompson must feel that Hayward can make that transition.  Or maybe I'm being too adherent to the slot/outside distinction. 

Anyway, in TT I trust, and I'm generally happy to have more versatile guys with good cover skills in the secondary as the league continues to be a passing league.

[DegenerateDish]

Thanks Sir Larry & Hairy for the kind thoughts, much appreciated. Glad to be talking football and not cancer!

I hated the Kevin White pick. To me, this is why self scouting yourself is as important as anything. The Bears aren't going anywhere this year or next (this is part of the reason I hated the Fox hire). They tried like hell to get rid of Cutler (he's gone after next year) and this will be Forte's last season. Why would you draft a kid that had one good year of college production, at a skill position? Especially in a draft deep with wideouts.

As soon as Leonard Williams dropped to six, I felt the Bears should have come up with a package for the Jets to consider. I have not heard that they had a conversation. This team needs to be gutted and built back up, I don't believe Kevin White will get you back to contending any sooner.

[mu03eng]

Not that I want to support Bears fans in anyway but.....all those talking trading back or trading up...that's nice in theory but you have to have trade partners and/or assets to do that.  The Bears don't have any real assets to trade up and there wasn't value at the #7 position to entice a team up to that spot and get the Bears anything.  They were stuck in a bad position.  I don't think the pick will work out, but I'm not sure what the viable alternatives were.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I hated the Kevin White pick. To me, this is why self scouting yourself is as important as anything. The Bears aren't going anywhere this year or next (this is part of the reason I hated the Fox hire). They tried like hell to get rid of Cutler (he's gone after next year) and this will be Forte's last season. Why would you draft a kid that had one good year of college production, at a skill position? Especially in a draft deep with wideouts.

As soon as Leonard Williams dropped to six, I felt the Bears should have come up with a package for the Jets to consider. I have not heard that they had a conversation. This team needs to be gutted and built back up, I don't believe Kevin White will get you back to contending any sooner.

Because they felt he was the best player available at 7.  Who knows if it will work out but I can't fault them for the decision making process.  

[JWags85]

Would have liked Vic Beasley, but figured there was a reason he was falling.

White scares me cause he was sort of the flavor of the week in the post season combines and workouts.  But after living through the early 2000s, its nice to see the Bears will potentially continue with strong WRs even with Marshall leaving

[LAZER]

Because they felt he was the best player available at 7.  Who knows if it will work out but I can't fault them for the decision making process.  

Agreed, they've got a long and ugly rebuild ahead of them, taking best available is the right way to go.

[LAZER]

Not that I want to support Bears fans in anyway but.....all those talking trading back or trading up...that's nice in theory but you have to have trade partners and/or assets to do that.  The Bears don't have any real assets to trade up and there wasn't value at the #7 position to entice a team up to that spot and get the Bears anything.  They were stuck in a bad position.  I don't think the pick will work out, but I'm not sure what the viable alternatives were.

Why don't you think the pick will work out?

[RushmoreAcademy]

Because they felt he was the best player available at 7.  Who knows if it will work out but I can't fault them for the decision making process.  

Right. With as many holes as they have to fill, they just needed the guy they thought was best from all their time spent with these guys. They know they aren't going to win this year.  They aren't trying to build anything around Jay Cutler. No matter what the pick, it was for down the road.
I was most encouraged to hear that they were shopping Cutler and Bennett, just after they got rid of Marshall, because it shows that they are committed to changing the culture, which was really in the toilet.

[mu03eng]

Why don't you think the pick will work out?

Because he's a development pick.  He has raw talent but only a year of production under his belt.  He is going to a team with no locker room leadership I can determine, a QB that might as well have been the 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll, and a team deep in a multi-year rebuild.  I would have taken a player with potentially less upside but a more established record.

Maybe John Fox will develop the structure that will develop the kid but the environment he's going to doesn't seem conducive for success as a raw talent.

[GGGG]

Because he's a development pick.  He has raw talent but only a year of production under his belt.  He is going to a team with no locker room leadership I can determine, a QB that might as well have been the 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll, and a team deep in a multi-year rebuild.  I would have taken a player with potentially less upside but a more established record.

Maybe John Fox will develop the structure that will develop the kid but the environment he's going to doesn't seem conducive for success as a raw talent.

C'mon.  You just used that reference in the Meme Thread.