Ners is right...

[brewcity77]

Huh? Giving him his own board would be less visibility?  More like...if everyone would ignore him.

But as everyone won't ignore him, it kind of makes ignoring him useless for an individual.

[rocky_warrior]

But as everyone won't ignore him, it kind of makes ignoring him useless for an individual.

You just need to resist the urge to reply.  You don't even have to use the ignore button (I don't).

[rocky_warrior]

it was sarcasm..... And yes ignoring him/her would be the best solution to this issue. A great way to ignore him would be to get rid of these ludicrous threads about ners and his just bizzare thoughts on this program, but don't take my advice I'm no ners..

Fair enough.  "Hangin' with Ners" it is.

[brewcity77]

You just need to resist the urge to reply.  You don't even have to use the ignore button (I don't).

I do. But others don't, which undermines the whole ignore thing.

[willie warrior]

You just shifted the goal posts Sultan.

Seriously, in six more games we'll have only one player (Taylor) associated with the team that won a regular season conference title (different conference) under a different head coach.

Sultan does that all the time. He has never been wrong and always is right. Even when he is shown he is wrong. Then he shifts, or dodges it. But we all respect his opinions, because they are always right. Ask him.

[mu03eng]

I do. But others don't, which undermines the whole ignore thing.

Brew, it is a little bit about self control.  Ners has none, you most likely do, either ignore his posts or don't read them.  You can read and comment on Ners quoted posts too, just don't read what Ners wrote.  I've been doing it for a couple of weeks now and it works great.

Besides, Ners is the least of the issues on the board right now.  24 months of struggles in the program even with a clear path to a strong revitalization over the next couple of years brings out a strong amount of whining and hand wringing.  Let's all debate whats going on but the vitriol seems to have gone to 11 lately.

[Dawson Rental]

The simple elegance of Tower912's signature line gets me through many a post.



Real Warriors don't whine.

[NersEllenson]

I understand it is very frustrating for those who have championed and taken up for Derrick and Wojo to continue to have to deal with the fallacy of their ways.

It's really quite simple - stop polishing the damn turd - and I won't have anything to say.

But instead it is slurp, slurp, slurp, slurp.  And excuse after excuse after excuse for trying to rationalize why it is justifiable for us to be 11-14 and 3-10 in Big East play while Derrick Wilson plays 35+ minutes per night.

It is actually embarrassing the level of delusion some of you have gone to try to justify and support your position.  Thank God Wojo won't have a choice but to play someone else at PG next year, and along with that alone we will win more games.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I understand it is very frustrating for those who have championed and taken up for Derrick and Wojo to continue to have to deal with the fallacy of their ways.

It's really quite simple - stop polishing the damn turd - and I won't have anything to say.

But instead it is slurp, slurp, slurp, slurp.  And excuse after excuse after excuse for trying to rationalize why it is justifiable for us to be 11-14 and 3-10 in Big East play while Derrick Wilson plays 35+ minutes per night.

It is actually embarrassing the level of delusion some of you have gone to try to justify and support your position.  Thank God Wojo won't have a choice but to play someone else at PG next year, and along with that alone we will win more games.

I think we're having a communication breakdown again.

Nobody is saying that Derrick is awesome and should play 35+ mpg. No. Body. If somebody has, feel free to bring it to my attention and I'll call that person a bunch of names.

The conversation really isn't about Derrick, it's about the other options.

What people HAVE said is Wojo's options are limited, and the guys behind Derrick haven't shown the consistency required to play big minutes.

Now, we can debate JJJ's effectiveness, longer leash, mind games, thrown under the bus, etc. etc. etc. and that's fine. There 18 pages about that.

But, please don't pretend like like people WANT Derrick to play 35mpg. Derrick is what he is. He's a fantastic kid, who can likely be effective for about 20mpg. Unfortunately, there isn't another good option (in Wojo's mind) to fill the other 20mpg.

That it. Let's at lease be clear with what we are talking about. Everybody recognizes Derrick limitations. We just disagree about the other options.

[mu-rara]

I think we're having a communication breakdown again.

Nobody is saying that Derrick is awesome and should play 35+ mpg. No. Body. If somebody has, feel free to bring it to my attention and I'll call that person a bunch of names.

The conversation really isn't about Derrick, it's about the other options.

What people HAVE said is Wojo's options are limited, and the guys behind Derrick haven't shown the consistency required to play big minutes.

Now, we can debate JJJ's effectiveness, longer leash, mind games, thrown under the bus, etc. etc. etc. and that's fine. There 18 pages about that.

But, please don't pretend like like people WANT Derrick to play 35mpg. Derrick is what he is. He's a fantastic kid, who can likely be effective for about 20mpg. Unfortunately, there isn't another good option (in Wojo's mind) to fill the other 20mpg.

That it. Let's at lease be clear with what we are talking about. Everybody recognizes Derrick limitations. We just disagree about the other options.

Ammo, you are pounding your head against the wall.  Your argument makes all the sense in the world, but it's like arguing with an Islamic radical.  He sees the world from a demented point of view.  Can't argue logically with him.

[willie warrior]

I think we're having a communication breakdown again.

Nobody is saying that Derrick is awesome and should play 35+ mpg. No. Body. If somebody has, feel free to bring it to my attention and I'll call that person a bunch of names.

The conversation really isn't about Derrick, it's about the other options.

What people HAVE said is Wojo's options are limited, and the guys behind Derrick haven't shown the consistency required to play big minutes.

Now, we can debate JJJ's effectiveness, longer leash, mind games, thrown under the bus, etc. etc. etc. and that's fine. There 18 pages about that.

But, please don't pretend like like people WANT Derrick to play 35mpg. Derrick is what he is. He's a fantastic kid, who can likely be effective for about 20mpg. Unfortunately, there isn't another good option (in Wojo's mind) to fill the other 20mpg.

That it. Let's at lease be clear with what we are talking about. Everybody recognizes Derrick limitations. We just disagree about the other options.

You are wrong about one thing Ammo. Hardly anybody is saying Derrick is awesome, but there are about 10 or so people on this board that say and believe he should plat 35 mpg. You may have missed that.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I think we're having a communication breakdown again.

Nobody is saying that Derrick is awesome and should play 35+ mpg. No. Body. If somebody has, feel free to bring it to my attention and I'll call that person a bunch of names.

The conversation really isn't about Derrick, it's about the other options.

What people HAVE said is Wojo's options are limited, and the guys behind Derrick haven't shown the consistency required to play big minutes.

Now, we can debate JJJ's effectiveness, longer leash, mind games, thrown under the bus, etc. etc. etc. and that's fine. There 18 pages about that.

But, please don't pretend like like people WANT Derrick to play 35mpg. Derrick is what he is. He's a fantastic kid, who can likely be effective for about 20mpg. Unfortunately, there isn't another good option (in Wojo's mind) to fill the other 20mpg.

That it. Let's at lease be clear with what we are talking about. Everybody recognizes Derrick limitations. We just disagree about the other options.

Thank you.  Now your response won't make a difference to Ners' viewpoint but this is exactly right.  With the circumstances of our team this year we are likely right around 11-14, 3-10 right now regardless of if Derrick is playing 35 MPG or 15 MPG.  Ners completely overestimates the current talent on the team.  Aside from Carlino, our most talented players are nowhere near finished products.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

You are wrong about one thing Ammo. Hardly anybody is saying Derrick is awesome, but there are about 10 or so people on this board that say and believe he should plat 35 mpg. You may have missed that.

Here's an important distinction:

A. Should Derrick get a lot of PT because he's AWESOME?

B. Should Derrick get a lot of PT because there aren't better options?

I don't know that anybody has argued "A". It's more about option "B", which really isn't about Derrick, but about the other options available.

To put it another way, I never thought Ousmane Barro was a great player, but he deserved all of the minutes he got because he was the best option on those teams.

[willie warrior]

Here's an important distinction:

A. Should Derrick get a lot of PT because he's AWESOME?

B. Should Derrick get a lot of PT because there aren't better options?

I don't know that anybody has argued "A". It's more about option "B", which really isn't about Derrick, but about the other options available.

To put it another way, I never thought Ousmane Barro was a great player, but he deserved all of the minutes he got because he was the best option on those teams.

But there are other options right now. End of that theory.

[NersEllenson]

I think we're having a communication breakdown again.

Nobody is saying that Derrick is awesome and should play 35+ mpg. No. Body. If somebody has, feel free to bring it to my attention and I'll call that person a bunch of names.

The conversation really isn't about Derrick, it's about the other options.

What people HAVE said is Wojo's options are limited, and the guys behind Derrick haven't shown the consistency required to play big minutes.

Now, we can debate JJJ's effectiveness, longer leash, mind games, thrown under the bus, etc. etc. etc. and that's fine. There 18 pages about that.

But, please don't pretend like like people WANT Derrick to play 35mpg. Derrick is what he is. He's a fantastic kid, who can likely be effective for about 20mpg. Unfortunately, there isn't another good option (in Wojo's mind) to fill the other 20mpg.

That it. Let's at lease be clear with what we are talking about. Everybody recognizes Derrick limitations. We just disagree about the other options.

I appreciate the spirit of your post.  I understand the theory and thought process that in Wojo's mind (or Buzz's) last year there isn't/wasn't another good option to play in the PG role for 25-30 minutes per game.

I could go along with that line of thinking a little more last season, as Dawson was just a freshman, and green at PG position - and essentially the only other option.  Of course I still believe it would have been better for Buzz to deal with Dawson's growing pains and just play him 25+ per game the last 10 games of the year, as it was painfully obvious if Derrick continued to play 30+ we weren't going to be an NCAA team.

Now, for this season, once again we are losing at a high rate, we now have Carlino and Duane Wilson on the roster, and Wojo REFUSES to adjust.  We essentially have been starting 3 PG type/stature players out there.  Carlino and Duane are absolutely capable of running PG - and in reality even in that role, they get to play off the ball a decent amount as well.  Meanwhile, Wojo could have played a talented prospect like Burton more, or now JJJ (prior to Carlino's injury) more in that 3rd guard spot.  Burton and JJJ had/have a lot more potential value to the future of the program than does Derrick.

Sorry, I just feel Wojo was incredibly short sighted in his approach, and simply wrong as far as how he chose to allocate minutes to the resources available on his roster.  His call of course.  But his record now.  His 8strong roster now.  That falls at his feet.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

But there are other options right now. End of that theory.

Right, and that's fine. We can scream at each other all we want about that.

I just think it's disingenuous to paint people as "Derrick slurpers".

[NersEllenson]

Ammo, you are pounding your head against the wall.  Your argument makes all the sense in the world, but it's like arguing with an Islamic radical.  He sees the world from a demented point of view.  Can't argue logically with him.

LOL - And right back at you.  I see those who disagree on this matter with an equally illogical and demented view of the basketball world.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I appreciate the spirit of your post.  I understand the theory and thought process that in Wojo's mind (or Buzz's) last year there isn't/wasn't another good option to play in the PG role for 25-30 minutes per game.

I could go along with that line of thinking a little more last season, as Dawson was just a freshman, and green at PG position - and essentially the only other option.  Of course I still believe it would have been better for Buzz to deal with Dawson's growing pains and just play him 25+ per game the last 10 games of the year, as it was painfully obvious if Derrick continued to play 30+ we weren't going to be an NCAA team.

Now, for this season, once again we are losing at a high rate, we now have Carlino and Duane Wilson on the roster, and Wojo REFUSES to adjust.  We essentially have been starting 3 PG type/stature players out there.  Carlino and Duane are absolutely capable of running PG - and in reality even in that role, they get to play off the ball a decent amount as well.  Meanwhile, Wojo could have played a talented prospect like Burton more, or now JJJ (prior to Carlino's injury) more in that 3rd guard spot.  Burton and JJJ had/have a lot more potential value to the future of the program than does Derrick.

Sorry, I just feel Wojo was incredibly short sighted in his approach, and simply wrong as far as how he chose to allocate minutes to the resources available on his roster.  His call of course.  But his record now.  His 8strong roster now.  That falls at his feet.

This is fine. You can rant and rave all you want about Wojo, and running players off, and throwing Burton under the bus, etc. etc.

It's just unfair to paint people as "Derrick Slurpers".

Nobody is a Derrick slurper. People simply don't like the other options as much as you do. So, feel free to debate all of the other options. Go nuts. I have nothing to add.

But, let's be clear and fair about the debate.

The debate is not "Is Derrick Wilson Awesome?"

The debate is: "Are there better options than Derrick Wilson?"

[willie warrior]

Right, and that's fine. We can scream at each other all we want about that.

I just think it's disingenuous to paint people as "Derrick slurpers".

I guess we disagree on that. And that does not make it disingenuous.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I guess we disagree on that. And that does not make it disingenuous.

So just to be clear, your assertion is that there are members of this forum who think Derrick Wilson is an awesome basketball player who should play 35+ minutes per game because he's awesome at basketball?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Now, for this season, once again we are losing at a high rate, we now have Carlino and Duane Wilson on the roster, and Wojo REFUSES to adjust.  We essentially have been starting 3 PG type/stature players out there.  Carlino and Duane are absolutely capable of running PG - and in reality even in that role, they get to play off the ball a decent amount as well.  Meanwhile, Wojo could have played a talented prospect like Burton more, or now JJJ (prior to Carlino's injury) more in that 3rd guard spot.  Burton and JJJ had/have a lot more potential value to the future of the program than does Derrick.

Let's be clear - their stature does not mean they will be an effective point guard.  Carlino and Duane are both undersized two guards at this point and combo guards at best.  Neither is a pure point.  And as always, I am issuing my disclaimer for you that my post does not mean I love Derrick and think he should play 35+ MPG. 

[NersEllenson]

This is fine. You can rant and rave all you want about Wojo, and running players off, and throwing Burton under the bus, etc. etc.

It's just unfair to paint people as "Derrick Slurpers".

Nobody is a Derrick slurper. People simply don't like the other options as much as you do. So, feel free to debate all of the other options. Go nuts. I have nothing to add.

But, let's be clear and fair about the debate.

The debate is not "Is Derrick Wilson Awesome?"

The debate is: "Are their better options than Derrick Wilson?"

I could go along with this, except some here have said Derrick Wilson is a better PG than Junior Cadougan and Dwight Buycks.

Hell, look at my signature - this dates back to December of 2013.  LOL.

And here's another issue - I read post after post from Tower and Sultan suggesting that Buzz got caught with his pants down after Vander left and then the Duane injury - and that Duane would have been our savior at PG LAST season - yet now this year, with one more year of high major practice/strength and conditioning experience - Duane still apparently cannot play PG???  The reality is, Duane can/could - just as Carlino can/could - and Wojo chooses otherwise.  And, like I said, Wojo's call - yet the quality of his decision-making ultimately is reflected in our record.

[NersEllenson]

Let's be clear - their stature does not mean they will be an effective point guard.  Carlino and Duane are both undersized two guards at this point and combo guards at best.  Neither is a pure point.  And as always, I am issuing my disclaimer for you that my post does not mean I love Derrick and think he should play 35+ MPG. 

Question:  If you are concerned about someone being an effective point guard - Is Derrick?

Now, I agree that stature doesn't mean a guy is a PG - but, when you are playing 3, 6'1" guys along your perimeter, you have such limited length that it does hurt you on the defensive end.

As for "pure point guard," in my view that is largely an irrelevant characteristic.  Was Kemba Walker a pure point?  Shabazz Napier?  Is Brandon Knight for the Bucks?  Just because a guy can score, and does shoot, does not by any means exclude him from being a weapon and good choice to play at PG.  In fact I argue teams with dynamic shooters/scorers at PG become some of the best teams.

[mreezybreezy]

Until next year can the mods change the name of this website to "DerrickWilsonScoop" to give a more accurate branding of what this board is about?

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Clearly Marquette needs a better starting PG than Derrick Wilson.  But JJJ hasn't exactly set the world on fire either so it's hard to say he clearly should be starting.  Look at his last game:

31 min    3 pts  1 reb  3 ast   3 TO  1-7 FG

Hmm, I thought just playing 25 min per game was some sort of magic elixir but I guess not.  JJJ has had a very inconsistent career.  If you look at MU's roster, how many are truly starting caliber for a quality BE team?  Carlino, Du. Wilson, Fischer (average big man but at MU feels like a superstar).  Juan Anderson maybe a fringe starter/6th man.  So let's call it 3.5 starters.  With Carlino out that's 2.5 starters.  Wonder why MU's record is what it is?