Ners is right...

[eg021]

First senior day ever where I won't be sad to see any of them go. In fact, I can't wait. Very sad.....

[ChicosBailBonds]

First senior day ever where I won't be sad to see any of them go. In fact, I can't wait. Very sad.....

You've been on this site for 2 weeks.....I'm sorry your entitlement to great hoops has brought you down.

[g0lden3agle]

Long-time reader, first time poster. 

Had to ignore those ads and banners begging you to register for a long time, aina?

[1SE]

Yes, I know he is what he is, this season is a bust, wait for next year, etc. etc.  but that's exactly the point - why does DW play 30 minutes a game (even when we're at 8 strong).  We're playing for next year.  Why waste minutes on a lost cause.  Get Sandy some serious run - give JjJ some consecutive deep PT to see if he can ever be anything more than a 4th option off the bench.  Hell, let the walk ons play - I'm sure they "try" just as hard as Derrick in practice (since "he tries hard" seems to be everyone's main justification for letting him play).  Seriously - re-watch the 2nd half from yesterday - Derrick was wide open on the baseline on multiple possessions - his man in the paint doubling Luke.  I bet one of those walk ons could hit a trey with that much daylight.

[jesmu84]

Yes, I know he is what he is, this season is a bust, wait for next year, etc. etc.  but that's exactly the point - why does DW play 30 minutes a game (even when we're at 8 strong).  We're playing for next year.  Why waste minutes on a lost cause.  Get Sandy some serious run - give JjJ some consecutive deep PT to see if he can ever be anything more than a 4th option off the bench.  Hell, let the walk ons play - I'm sure they "try" just as hard as Derrick in practice (since "he tries hard" seems to be everyone's main justification for letting him play).  Seriously - re-watch the 2nd half from yesterday - Derrick was wide open on the baseline on multiple possessions - his man in the paint doubling Luke.  I bet one of those walk ons could hit a trey with that much daylight.

Well, it appears that you and our head coach have different philosophies. Please email him or the AD or anyone in administration or the board to address your complaints. The same crap keeps coming up and you have to realize at some point that things on the court aren't going to change. Accept it and move on.

[NotBuzzWilliams]

Agreed, the twins have earned some playing time with how aggressively they clap on the bench.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Had to ignore those ads and banners begging you to register for a long time, right?

So you're the authority on when someone should register? Maybe he didn't feel like registering and just liked reading people's posts. I read Packer message boards all the time, haven't registered and don't plan on it. Still fun to read what people have to say.

[AirPunches]

Yes, I know he is what he is, this season is a bust, wait for next year, etc. etc.  but that's exactly the point - why does DW play 30 minutes a game (even when we're at 8 strong).  We're playing for next year.  Why waste minutes on a lost cause.  Get Sandy some serious run - give JjJ some consecutive deep PT to see if he can ever be anything more than a 4th option off the bench.  Hell, let the walk ons play - I'm sure they "try" just as hard as Derrick in practice (since "he tries hard" seems to be everyone's main justification for letting him play).  Seriously - re-watch the 2nd half from yesterday - Derrick was wide open on the baseline on multiple possessions - his man in the paint doubling Luke.  I bet one of those walk ons could hit a trey with that much daylight.

Creighton is probably a bad example of a game to watch. In the 4 games they've played against Derrick it is almost absurd how much they sag off him. More than any team I've seen. They literally don't guard him and put his man in the paint guarding the bigs and helping with others. I guess it's worked for them for the most part so far. Hope next year that kind of defense won't be able to be used against MU and that opposing teams will need to guard all five players on the floor.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Creighton is probably a bad example of a game to watch. In the 4 games they've played against Derrick it is almost absurd how much they sag off him. More than any team I've seen. They literally don't guard him and put his man in the paint guarding the bigs and helping with others. I guess it's worked for them for the most part so far. Hope next year that kind of defense won't be able to be used against MU and that opposing teams will need to guard all five players on the floor.

I don think it's absurd how much they sag off him at all. If I was a coach playing against him, I would do it the whole game, probably sag off even more than what they have done. Has worked well for them and Derrick hasn't made them pay for it.

[willie warrior]

Creighton is probably a bad example of a game to watch. In the 4 games they've played against Derrick it is almost absurd how much they sag off him. More than any team I've seen. They literally don't guard him and put his man in the paint guarding the bigs and helping with others. I guess it's worked for them for the most part so far. Hope next year that kind of defense won't be able to be used against MU and that opposing teams will need to guard all five players on the floor.

LOL. What lengths people go to make excuses for Derrick. BTW--they have kicked our ass 3 of those 4 games.

[willie warrior]

You, sir, have never spent time in DC

Now that is funny--and also true. About 90% of what goes on in DC is polishing turds.

[willie warrior]

Wow.  I think you might be the only one that "sees" that.  Wojo doesn't either....right now at least.

I like Duane, and think he'l be a great player for the next 3 years.  He *might* even become a good PG, but he's not right now.  He's a better shooting guard, that is very mediocre as distributing the ball, and very sloppy at protecting the ball.

Strange how people "see" things differently.

[GGGG]

Yes, I know he is what he is, this season is a bust, wait for next year, etc. etc.  but that's exactly the point - why does DW play 30 minutes a game (even when we're at 8 strong).  We're playing for next year.  Why waste minutes on a lost cause.  Get Sandy some serious run - give JjJ some consecutive deep PT to see if he can ever be anything more than a 4th option off the bench.  Hell, let the walk ons play - I'm sure they "try" just as hard as Derrick in practice (since "he tries hard" seems to be everyone's main justification for letting him play).  Seriously - re-watch the 2nd half from yesterday - Derrick was wide open on the baseline on multiple possessions - his man in the paint doubling Luke.  I bet one of those walk ons could hit a trey with that much daylight.

Everyone is playing Ners.

[NickelDimer]

I don't get it.  Almost everyone on the planet has known we have a PG deficiency....what's new there?  The kid plays hard, would be a solid backup, but not a starter at this level.  Nothing new.

Seriously...people act like they've had some epiphany or original thought about DW and/or our lack of PG.  If it's honestly just occurring to you now, that we lack a good PG or that DW has major limitations, you should really pull your head out of your ass. And if you feel the need to continuously talk about these two issues, you should probably shove your head back in.

[g0lden3agle]

So you're the authority on when someone should register? Maybe he didn't feel like registering and just liked reading people's posts. I read Packer message boards all the time, haven't registered and don't plan on it. Still fun to read what people have to say.

All I know is having to scroll past those ads and the request to register after every refresh/button click on the site gets old fast.

[MU B2002]

http://iowa.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/iowa-states-deonte-burton-throws-down-a-windmill-dunk-while-wearing-timberlands


Didn't think I saw this elsewhere on here

[Johnny B]

I love how we're crediting ners with the discovery that Derrick isn't good. Anyways this stop needs to stop, I'm no Derrick fan but he's Wat we go got. This is getting disgracefull how many times we covered this. I respectfully request to have this monstrosity of a thread taken down.

[mu-rara]

I agree that the whining does no good, because the circumstances aren't ideal.

However, I don't know how you or anyone else doesn't see that Duane Wilson is a better PG than Derrick. He creates better, shoots better and passes better than Derrick. It's not even even a comparison. The only reason derrick plays is because JJJ is still figuring it out, or maybe just doesn't have it. So if you can't start JJJ then what? Have to play Derrick, and he can only "play" one position. The assist to turnover stat everyone relies on is garbage. How would Derrick ever turn it over? He never forces action!

Lot more knowledgeable folks than you think he is a 2.  He is a slasher and a shooter.  Could he be a point guard?  Maybe.  Wojo is trying to find a more traditional point.  I like DuWil as a 2.  He is a freshman and looks the part.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I think 1SE might be Ners's version of Hoopaloop.

[brandx]

I am so sick of the derrick bashing.  Derrick is a below average point guard but that blame needs to fall on Buzz and now Wojo.  Buzz for not getting a legit point guard the last 2 years at the helm and Wojo for not getting one yet.  A high quality point guard can fix a lot of issues for this team.  Duane at the point next year is not the answer.

I agree with the 1st sentence.

But how you blame Wojo for that is beyond me. He didn't recruit Derrick and when he signed on as coach there were no quality PGs available for this year that he could have signed. You need to check your facts a little.

But, I also agree with your last sentence. Duane will be OK running point for a bit here and there, but I agree he isn't the answer for the position right now. That could change, however, as he gets to his junior year and learns to play under control a little more. He could become a Kemba, Shabazz type PG.

[esotericmindguy]

Wow.  I think you might be the only one that "sees" that.  Wojo doesn't either....right now at least.

I like Duane, and think he'l be a great player for the next 3 years.  He *might* even become a good PG, but he's not right now.  He's a better shooting guard, that is very mediocre as distributing the ball, and very sloppy at protecting the ball.

He's sloppy with that ball? I don't see that. You want him to dribble up the ball, pass it the wing and stand outside the arc like a statue he can do that. You want him to hold the ball for 5 seconds, dribble in place for 5 seconds or run the weave he can do that. But he's asked to do more, and he responds.

I don't think Wojo has a choice, there is no one else to play and Duane can play both roles. Have to maximize minutes. Even Buzz played Junior Codougan over Derrick, and he was average at best.

[NersEllenson]

I agree with the 1st sentence.

But how you blame Wojo for that is beyond me. He didn't recruit Derrick and when he signed on as coach there were no quality PGs available for this year that he could have signed. You need to check your facts a little.

But, I also agree with your last sentence. Duane will be OK running point for a bit here and there, but I agree he isn't the answer for the position right now. That could change, however, as he gets to his junior year and learns to play under control a little more. He could become a Kemba, Shabazz type PG.

Wojo is completely to blame for this season.  He allocates playing time.  Wojo had both Carlino and Duane available to him to play at PG.  Buzz didn't have that option last season.  Wojo should have clearly been able to see from reviewing our games of last season all of the challenges playing Derrick 30+ at PG create for a team.  Inexplicably, Wojo doubled down and chose to play Derrick more minutes than any other player on the team, and meanwhile the team falls to 11-14 and last place in the Big East.

And as for "playing under control," Kemba Walker and Shabazz Napier had plenty of moments of playing completely out of control.  In many ways, the willingness to play out of control, and ball out is what it takes to be a great PG.

Think some MU fans out of a sincere desire to not be critical of a maligned player, have lost sight of what actually makes most PG's great - a motor that doesn't stop, a player that forces the action, presses the defense at all times, and as a result creates good looks for himself and his teammates - and along the way has some turnovers.

I think 1SE might be Ners's version of Hoopaloop.

LOL - Nope.  1SE is not me.  Just another MU fan that apparently reached wits end and has had enough.  But again, the blame ultimately should not fall at the feet of Derrick.  He gives everything he has out there and plays to the best of his ability.  The blame squarely rests with Buzz and now Wojo.

[eg021]

You've been on this site for 2 weeks.....I'm sorry your entitlement to great hoops has brought you down.

I'm a marquette graduate and a season ticket holder. Yes I am new to the scoop, but a longtime follower of the program.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Wojo is completely to blame for this season.  He allocates playing time.  Wojo had both Carlino and Duane available to him to play at PG.  Buzz didn't have that option last season.  Wojo should have clearly been able to see from reviewing our games of last season all of the challenges playing Derrick 30+ at PG create for a team.  Inexplicably, Wojo doubled down and chose to play Derrick more minutes than any other player on the team, and meanwhile the team falls to 11-14 and last place in the Big East.

And as for "playing under control," Kemba Walker and Shabazz Napier had plenty of moments of playing completely out of control.  In many ways, the willingness to play out of control, and ball out is what it takes to be a great PG.

Think some MU fans out of a sincere desire to not be critical of a maligned player, have lost sight of what actually makes most PG's great - a motor that doesn't stop, a player that forces the action, presses the defense at all times, and as a result creates good looks for himself and his teammates - and along the way has some turnovers.

LOL - Nope.  1SE is not me.  Just another MU fan that apparently reached wits end and has had enough.  But again, the blame ultimately should not fall at the feet of Derrick.  He gives everything he has out there and plays to the best of his ability.  The blame squarely rests with Buzz and now Wojo.

You are sounding worse than some IU fans....and they are beyond unhinged.  What did you expect the first year with this team AND then the changes that occurred.  Burton's mom dies, Carlino is hurt, we do not have a quality PG (which you remind us often), Mayo (don't even get me started), etc.

Honestly, what did you expect?

[GGGG]

You are sounding worse than some IU fans....and they are beyond unhinged.  What did you expect the first year with this team AND then the changes that occurred.  Burton's mom dies, Carlino is hurt, we do not have a quality PG (which you remind us often), Mayo (don't even get me started), etc.

Honestly, what did you expect?

Here is what a good college basketball coach does in Ners' World

1.  Fires up the laptop.
2.  See who Scout ranks in the top 100.
3.  Recruits as many of those players as possible.
4.  Develops a complex matrix whereby those who are ranked the highest get the most minutes.
5.  Rolls out the basketball.

He has said it often.  He think Wojo was left with a lot of talent and screwed it up.  Despite pretty much everyone predicting that this season wouldn't be pleasant.