Vaccinations

[jsglow]

Additionally, we have done a really poor job of educating the public.  Everyone assumes if you get a vaccine shot you can't get the disease which is not true.  If you have enough exposure, a vaccine can be overwhelmed and you get the disease as well.  Everyone treats it as if it's a choice that impacts only them

<insert millennial selfishness joke here>

Interesting that you say that.  In the Fall of my Freshman year at Marquette a strain of measles hit the campus.  It somehow morphed with the 'killed' vaccine those of us born in the early 1960s received as infants.  About 10 students became ill.  One was hospitalized for 9-10 days.

I cooked away for those days at 105 degrees, packed in ice, just below a temp that might have caused real brain damage.  (Chick might say it happened anyway.)  I remember very little except that a very kind nurse (MU?) smuggled me a beer for the Sunday Packer game (on my 8th day in isolation) when I was feeling just a bit better.  Being seriously ill sucks.  

[MerrittsMustache]

Interesting that you say that.  In the Fall of my Freshman year at Marquette a strain of measles hit the campus.  It somehow morphed with the 'killed' vaccine those of us born in the early 1960s received as infants.  About 10 students became ill.  One was hospitalized for 9-10 days.

I cooked away for those days at 105 degrees, packed in ice, just below a temp that might have caused real brain damage.  (Chick might say it happened anyway.)  I remember very little except that a very kind nurse (MU?) smuggled me a beer for the Sunday Packer game (on my 8th day in isolation) when I was feeling just a bit better.  Being seriously ill sucks.  

I was hoping this would end with...
 I remember very little except that a very kind nurse (MU?) smuggled me a beer for the Sunday Packer game (on my 8th day in isolation) and we've been together ever since.

[brandx]

Ugh.

I like libertarian and free market principles, but this is just stupid.

Also, it's a bit ironic that he will give restaurants the freedom to determine their own policy, but will legally require that they post a sign about their handwashing policy. Not exactly free market.

Senator Tillis, Who you crappin'?

My point was simply to point out that when it comes to health issues, there is no shortage of stupidity.

When something tragic happens, we search endlessly for any excuse to grab onto, whether logical or silly.

[brandx]

This is exactly right. I mean, just think of how many intelligent, well-rounded people still believe that the flu shot protects against the stomach flu.

Especially considering there is no such thing as stomach flu.

ah... that means the shots must be working!

[jficke13]

There's a UCLA pediatrician that was quoted as saying that the only thing that will put a stop to the anti-vaxxing fashion trend is an A-list star anti-vaxxer's kid dying.

[warriorchick]

There's a UCLA pediatrician that was quoted as saying that the only thing that will put a stop to the anti-vaxxing fashion trend is an A-list star anti-vaxxer's kid dying.

I remember when Gary Busey was the big celebrity spokesperson for the repeal of motorcycle helmet laws.

That worked out really well for him....

[mu03eng]

There's a UCLA pediatrician that was quoted as saying that the only thing that will put a stop to the anti-vaxxing fashion trend is an A-list star anti-vaxxer's kid dying.

I don't know if that would even work.  Jenny McCarthy's kid was "misdiagnosed" with autism...wildly under reported.

[warriorchick]

I don't know if that would even work.  Jenny McCarthy's kid was "misdiagnosed" with autism...wildly under reported.

Yes,  he is an Indigo Child....whatever the hell that means.

[MerrittsMustache]

Yes,  he is an Indigo Child....whatever the hell that means.

He's a lesbian singer?

[DegenerateDish]

As most of you know, my four year old son is fighting leukemia. After he gets better, and goes back to school this coming fall, going forward, we will home school him if we learn anyone at his school is unvaccinated.

This subject gets me very riled up. For people going through chemo that have virtually no immune system, this pisses me off that people can be so ignorant and quite frankly selfish.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

As most of you know, my four year old son is fighting leukemia. After he gets better, and goes back to school this coming fall, going forward, we will home school him if we learn anyone at his school is unvaccinated.

This subject gets me very riled up. For people going through chemo that have virtually no immune system, this pisses me off that people can be so ignorant and quite frankly selfish.

This among many, many other reasons. Vaccinate your kids people.

[jesmu84]

Here's an interesting cultural topic: the anti-vax parents would rather chance having their child get sick/suffer/due from a preventable disease than have that child possibly become autistic but live a long life.

Discuss.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I actually was going to make this point but decided I didn't want to light a firebomb on this thread....but you are correct.  "Right denies climate change"(I mean that it is happening, not root cause), "left denies validity of vaccinations".

Both are scientifically verifiable but each group chooses to ignore facts.

I dunno about that I fall in the way left category and all of my liberal friends and family think the whole anti-Vax movement is the dumbest thing they've ever heard

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Here's an interesting cultural topic: the anti-vax parents would rather chance having their child get sick/suffer/due from a preventable disease than have that child possibly become autistic but live a long life.

Discuss.

Except that theory has been scientifically disproven.

[jesmu84]

Except that theory has been scientifically disproven.

I understand. But from their viewpoint, it hasn't. So to them living with autism is potentially worse than dying from a preventable disease.

It's just interesting

[GooooMarquette]

I understand. But from their viewpoint, it hasn't. So to them living with autism is potentially worse than dying from a preventable disease.

It's just interesting

I can see that being a difficult dilemma for people who don't accept or understand the scientific evidence.  But when the evidence is so overwhelming and people are still making decisions that put others at risk for no good reason, it's time for the government to take over and make the decision for them. And I HATE big government.

[jsglow]

I was hoping this would end with...
 I remember very little except that a very kind nurse (MU?) smuggled me a beer for the Sunday Packer game (on my 8th day in isolation) and we've been together ever since.

Haha. Both my daughter and mom are/were outstanding Marquette nurses.  Me?  I hate doing taxes so scoped out the ACCO Dept.  

[Dr. Blackheart]

So having Botox and leaky silicone fun bags in your body while pregnant is healthier in the prevention of autism than the vaccination of your child?  Gotta love those Mother Mac girls.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Here's what I don't get.  (Actually, I do.)

In the last 100 years we've all but eliminated scores of horrible diseases that absolutely destroyed families in our grandparents and great grandparents generation.  Almost everyone had a child or sibling that was taken from them by these killers.  Now, at least until recently, such deaths all but unheard of.  I don't personally know of a single example of a child lost to polio, whooping cough, etc.  But ask my mom (MU Nursing '54) what vaccinations meant for a society and you'd get a lengthy discussion if she were still alive.  How quickly we forget.

And this is not in any way to diminish the horrible scourge that is today's autism.  It affects my own extended family.  We must find answers.  But crazy pseudo-science isn't the place to begin the search.  

Of course we're doing a good job with some of our lax immigration enforcement of allowing some of that to come back to the U.S....which is nice.

[jesmu84]

Of course we're doing a good job with some of our lax immigration enforcement of allowing some of that to come back to the U.S....which is nice.

Hey. We agree twice in one thread! Illegal immigrants should not be allowed.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I actually was going to make this point but decided I didn't want to light a firebomb on this thread....but you are correct.  "Right denies climate change"(I mean that it is happening, not root cause), "left denies validity of vaccinations".

Both are scientifically verifiable but each group chooses to ignore facts.

Here is the difference:  on global warming, the politicians on the right are denying it; on vaccinations, I don't think you'll find many if any politicians on the left that are anti-vax.  On the contrary, those siding with the anti-vaxxers are politicians on the right (Paul, Christie, Trump, et al).

[jsglow]

Of course we're doing a good job with some of our lax immigration enforcement of allowing some of that to come back to the U.S....which is nice.

I didn't want to go there but yes, you are correct.

[brandx]

He's a lesbian singer?

Lesbian singer's kid.

[Sir Lawrence]

My oldest daughter is preggers with who will soon be my first grandchild.  She lives on the east coast, and must, unfortunately, ask any potential pediatrician whether he/she allows unvaccinated patients.

[source?]

In response to those asking about Marquette policy, I'm 99% sure that they are required. I know I had to get some shots that I hadn't updated in a while when I matriculated.

As an aside, my younger brother goes to high school with a kid who isn't vaccinated. He desperately wants to get vaccinated, but his parents won't allow it. That, in my opinion, is child abuse.