Take It To The Bank

[Pakuni]

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How about this:  With a team of 7 scholarships players and none over 6'6", Buzz decided to play at a slow tempo all season and played at 284th in country.  Shorten the game.  Smart.

Which Buzz team had seven scholarship players and none over 6'6"?

[Floorslapper]

Which Buzz team had seven scholarship players and none over 6'6"?

If you are wanting to be a tool and are disputing the point...because Joe Fulce was listed at 6'7", knock yourself out.

Mo
Cooby
Dwight
DJO
Jimmy
Lazar
Fulce

That's 7 scholarship players.  Buzz coached that team to a 6 seed and 24th ranking in Ken Pom.

Why are we even having a debate as to who the better coach is, Wojo or Buzz?  Its no contest.

[GGGG]

The 2009-10 team had 12 scholarship players, five over 6’6”. (Otule, Yous, Williams, Fulce and Maymon.)

No reason to exaggerate.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

If you are wanting to be a tool and are disputing the point...because Joe Fulce was listed at 6'7", knock yourself out.

Mo
Cooby
Dwight
DJO
Jimmy
Lazar
Fulce

That's 7 scholarship players.  Buzz coached that team to a 6 seed and 24th ranking in Ken Pom.

Why are we even having a debate as to who the better coach is, Wojo or Buzz?  Its no contest.

That team also had 4 NBA players on it. 

[Galway Eagle]

Yeah, you are right. Can't fix stupid.

Been trying to tell you there's nothing to cure you for years. glad you're realizing it.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Which Buzz team had seven scholarship players and none over 6'6"?

I assume he meant the 09-10 team in which Buzz ended the season with a seven man rotation with no players over 6'6. Buzz started the season with 12 scholarship players but lost Cadougan to injury (and got him back for the last 12 games), Otule to injury in the 3rd game, and Maymon to his dad in the 9th game. He also had Yous Mbao and Erik Williams all season, both of whom were taller than 6'7" but weren't very good.

That year was a hell of a coaching job by Buzz, though I think people are using different definitions of "game coach" in this discussion.

[Silkk the Shaka]

That team also had 4 NBA players on it.

LOL

[Pakuni]

If you are wanting to be a tool and are disputing the point...because Joe Fulce was listed at 6'7", knock yourself out.

Mo
Cooby
Dwight
DJO
Jimmy
Lazar
Fulce

That's 7 scholarship players.  Buzz coached that team to a 6 seed and 24th ranking in Ken Pom.

If calling you on your blatant misstatements makes one a tool, we've got well-stocked workshop around here.
FYI, Erik Williams, Youssoupha Mbao and Junior Cadougan weren't walk ons.
Also, besides Fulce, Mbao and Erik Williams also are over 6'6".
And, as has been noted, that roster had four guys who played in the NBA, including a four-time all-star. Buzz did a great job with that team, but no need to make stuff up to enhance it,

Why are we even having a debate as to who the better coach is, Wojo or Buzz?  Its no contest.

That debate is happening only in your vivid imagination, where John  Dawson is Magic Johnson and Erik Williams is a 5'8" walk on.

[willie warrior]

Been trying to tell you there's nothing to cure you for years. glad you're realizing it.

Thanks for the compliment. You are right. I realize that you talking gibberish for years is nothing.

[Galway Eagle]

Thanks for the compliment. You are right. I realize that you talking gibberish for years is nothing.

  go jerk it to breitbart some more.

[Floorslapper]

If calling you on your blatant misstatements makes one a tool, we've got well-stocked workshop around here.
FYI, Erik Williams, Youssoupha Mbao and Junior Cadougan weren't walk ons.
Also, besides Fulce, Mbao and Erik Williams also are over 6'6".
And, as has been noted, that roster had four guys who played in the NBA, including a four-time all-star. Buzz did a great job with that team, but no need to make stuff up to enhance it,

Talk about a blatant misrepresentation...even referencing Otule, Cadougan, Maymom..who were all gone by conference play.

My bad though. I did forget about Erik Williams and Yous.

Glad though, that we agree that Wojo isn’t in Buzz’s zip code, as it relates to coaching.

[brewcity77]

Talk about a blatant misrepresentation...even referencing Otule, Cadougan, Maymom..who were all gone by conference play.

He didn't have a big impact on that season, but Cadougan wasn't gone by conference play. He didn't start playing until after conference play began.

[Lennys Tap]

You guys can pick nits all you want, but Ners is essentially right. Maymon was gone after 9 games, Otule after 3. Cadougan and Mbao COMBINED for 5 points in 107 worthless minutes (Rob Frozena had 6 points that year). Erik Williams had 15 DNPs and averaged 1.2ppg and 1.4 rpg. They were on the roster that season (some for part, some for all) but their contributions ranged from almost nothing to the negative.

[MU82]

Talk about a blatant misrepresentation...even referencing Otule, Cadougan, Maymom..who were all gone by conference play.

My bad though. I did forget about Erik Williams and Yous.

Glad though, that we agree that Wojo isn’t in Buzz’s zip code, as it relates to coaching.

I'm too lazy, but maybe some of our historians here would like to go back to 2013-14, when a prolific commenter who went by Ners suggested about 500 times a day that there were dads coaching their 8-year-olds in rec-league biddy ball who could have done a better job with those Warriors than Buzz did.

[GGGG]

You guys can pick nits all you want, but Ners is essentially right. Maymon was gone after 9 games, Otule after 3. Cadougan and Mbao COMBINED for 5 points in 107 worthless minutes (Rob Frozena had 6 points that year). Erik Williams had 15 DNPs and averaged 1.2ppg and 1.4 rpg. They were on the roster that season (some for part, some for all) but their contributions ranged from almost nothing to the negative.

It's not really picking nits.  Ners did his usual.  He stated a claim that was exaggerated and then insulted someone for making a poor point in the process.  (Ironic.)

How about this:  With a team of 7 scholarships players and none over 6'6", Buzz decided to play at a slow tempo all season and played at 284th in country.  Shorten the game.  Smart.

Please just try to make ONE good point here Jersey guy.

Did Buzz do a good coaching job that year?  Yes.  No one has claimed otherwise.

Did he have "seven scholarship players?"  Not even close.

Did he have "none over 6'6"?"  Wrong again.


We sit here and complain that Wojo f*cked up the point guard position, and that it his fault, but then people want to ignore that Buzz recruited a player who was a head case (Maymon) and another who should have been nowhere near a BE team.  (Yous)

So really much of the blame for the lack of playable height on that team was due to Buzz's recruiting short comings.

People should just *try* to be consistent, and not exaggerate in the process.

[Lennys Tap]

We sit here and complain that Wojo f*cked up the point guard position, and that it his fault, but then people want to ignore that Buzz recruited a player who was a head case (Maymon) and another who should have been nowhere near a BE team.  (Yous)

So really much of the blame for the lack of playable height on that team was due to Buzz's recruiting short comings.

People should just *try* to be consistent, and not exaggerate in the process.

That was Buzz's second year. The only players remaining in year 2 from the previous regime were Hayward (6'5"), Cuby (5'10") and Mo (5'8" - allegedly). He took a chance on Maymon and a flyer on Mbao because Maymon had talent and Mbao height.

Comparing the point guard situation in year 4 of a regime with lack of solid bigs in year 2 isn't being consistent IMO.

[GGGG]

That was Buzz's second year. The only players remaining in year 2 from the previous regime were Hayward (6'5"), Cuby (5'10") and Mo (5'8" - allegedly). He took a chance on Maymon and a flyer on Mbao because Maymon had talent and Mbao height.

Comparing the point guard situation in year 4 of a regime with lack of solid bigs in year 2 isn't being consistent IMO.

And Wojo thought that Markus would be his point guard.

[Pakuni]

You guys can pick nits all you want, but Ners is essentially right. Maymon was gone after 9 games, Otule after 3. Cadougan and Mbao COMBINED for 5 points in 107 worthless minutes (Rob Frozena had 6 points that year). Erik Williams had 15 DNPs and averaged 1.2ppg and 1.4 rpg. They were on the roster that season (some for part, some for all) but their contributions ranged from almost nothing to the negative.

You're trying to have it both ways, Lenny.
You can't laud Buzz for his work with an undersized team, but not hold him responsible for building an undersized team.
You can't argue that Mbao and Erik Williams shouldn't be counted because they were ineffective, but not hold Buzz responsible for recruiting players who were ineffective.

No one here is arguing that Buzz didn't do a good job that year. Literally not one person. You and Ners are arguing with straw men.
But most of the personnel issues he had to overcome that season were of his own making.

[Pakuni]

That was Buzz's second year. The only players remaining in year 2 from the previous regime were Hayward (6'5"), Cuby (5'10") and Mo (5'8" - allegedly). He took a chance on Maymon and a flyer on Mbao because Maymon had talent and Mbao height.

Comparing the point guard situation in year 4 of a regime with lack of solid bigs in year 2 isn't being consistent IMO.

Since Wojo's roster makeup has been hurt by transfers (namely the loss of Traci Carter), for which his critics give him plenty of blame, can we blame MU's lack of size in Buzz's second year on his inability to keep Trevor Mbakwe in the fold?

[Floorslapper]

I'm too lazy, but maybe some of our historians here would like to go back to 2013-14, when a prolific commenter who went by Ners suggested about 500 times a day that there were dads coaching their 8-year-olds in rec-league biddy ball who could have done a better job with those Warriors than Buzz did.

Ahh...sorry dude.  But, I was completely right about Buzz.  Said early on in his last year that he wasn't "right."  Clearly wasn't coaching at his optimum.  To no surprise he left 4 days after the season ended.  Couldn't get out of town fast enough.  No love lost toward MU Admin and BOT.  Messed with his happy, and he was really happy at MU through 4 years.  Gave them a big F-You on the way out the door his last year.

I loved Buzz from the drop, and said 10 games in he would be our best coach since Al.  Sultan scoffed at my post at that time saying if Buzz stayed at MU for 10 years he'd lead us to Final Four/consistent Sweet 16/Elite 8 appearances.

[Floorslapper]

You guys can pick nits all you want, but Ners is essentially right. Maymon was gone after 9 games, Otule after 3. Cadougan and Mbao COMBINED for 5 points in 107 worthless minutes (Rob Frozena had 6 points that year). Erik Williams had 15 DNPs and averaged 1.2ppg and 1.4 rpg. They were on the roster that season (some for part, some for all) but their contributions ranged from almost nothing to the negative.

It was a dumb point to try to suggest that team was anything more than 7 guys.  Yes - I did forget about Erik Williams and Yous, because they were total and complete non-factors - referenced above.

Acting as if they made the coaching job easier, because of their presence on the roster is silly.

Buzz intelligently employed a strategy to extend offensive possessions, play at a slow pace, to limit exposure on defensive end.  With Wojo?  It's just gun, gun, gun - despite being undersized - and he chose to play M2M with a team that was outclassed in size, strength and athleticism at EVERY position once in conference play.  DUMB.

[Floorslapper]

Since Wojo's roster makeup has been hurt by transfers (namely the loss of Traci Carter), for which his critics give him plenty of blame, can we blame MU's lack of size in Buzz's second year on his inability to keep Trevor Mbakwe in the fold?

Sure we can.  But in Year 2, even with those shortcomings and his fault for losing Mbawke - he led the team to a 6 seed...in YEAR 2.  Wojo?  Couldn't even get us to NCAA in Year 4...much less an NIT berth in Year 2.

[GGGG]

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[wadesworld]

It was a dumb point to try to suggest that team was anything more than 7 guys.  Yes - I did forget about Erik Williams and Yous, because they were total and complete non-factors - referenced above.

Acting as if they made the coaching job easier, because of their presence on the roster is silly.

Buzz intelligently employed a strategy to extend offensive possessions, play at a slow pace, to limit exposure on defensive end.  With Wojo?  It's just gun, gun, gun - despite being undersized - and he chose to play M2M with a team that was outclassed in size, strength and athleticism at EVERY position once in conference play.  DUMB.

Except our zone was worse. Our defense wasn’t good no matter what we played. So the only option was to outscore opponents. Which meant gun, gun, gun. Suggesting otherwise would be DUMB.

I guess you ignored the first two years under Wojo when he slowed the pace down. He’s adjusted based on his personnel. To suggest he doesn’t is DUMB.

[fjm]

in before the lock

You all are just being brutal to eachother. Damn.